Rank the 3 slam seasons by the big three

[RS]

What do you mean names? Federer was in form that summer. So there is actually some context here but why you choose to ignore how in great of a shape and form Federer was I don't get. He should be regarded as super tough opponent any day of the week and Novak faced him on grass and USO.

2021 AO "even worse competition". What the hell am I reading here. Raonic, Zverev, Karatsev (ok he was pretty green so that's a good SF opponent) and Medvedev in the final, Medvedev btw who was on a 20+ match win streak or something and sweeped masters and YECs and ATP cup before AO, and he continued to play that well at the AO. I don't care if the final was one sided, that's credit to Djokovic for showing up playing that well. Zverev is a tough opponent aswell and he pushed Novak real hard in that QF. A dangerous match considering how it unfolded. AO 21 was a dangerous and tough draw for Novak no doubt about it.

You don’t think 2015 and 2011 had better competition?

 

[RF-18]

In 2021, Novak had even worse competition at AO. Straight sets. Not as tough final opponent at RG. Berrettini in Wimbledon played a terrible match and was injured, as well. Medvedev at US... perhaps a strong opponent, who knows? Djokovic was in a fog and played a bizarre match.

RG was an easy ride now for Novak? Lmao junior, come on now. He had to beat Nadal in the SF and was down 0-5 to start the match. Tsitsipas was playing great aswell to get himself a 2-0 lead, then djoko turned it around in tough circumstances. Both Nadal and Tsitspas were the best on clay heading into RG, and djoko beat both of them. He beat the 13 time champ in one of the most dramatic matches. But it wasn't "as" tough? Yea ok.

 

[junior74]

What do you mean names? Federer was in form that summer. So there is actually some context here but why you choose to ignore how in great of a shape and form Federer was I don't get. He should be regarded as super tough opponent any day of the week and Novak faced him on grass and USO.

2021 AO "even worse competition". What the hell am I reading here. Raonic, Zverev, Karatsev (ok he was pretty green so that's a good SF opponent) and Medvedev in the final, Medvedev btw who was on a 20+ match win streak or something and sweeped masters and YECs and ATP cup before AO, and he continued to play that well at the AO. I don't care if the final was one sided, that's credit to Djokovic for showing up playing that well. Zverev I'd regard as a tough opponent aswell and he pushed Novak real hard in that QF. AO 21 was a dangerous and tough draw for Novak no doubt about it.

Karatsev in his first slam is very tough opponent?. He has since reached R2, R1, R3 in slams...

Raonic has not won a tournament since an ATP250 in 2016... 5 years of nothing but injury and totally absent results.

I have not said Novak didn't play well. I said the competition was not strong enough to call 2021 as strong as 2011 and/ or 2015 (which I think is a little overrated regarding competition).

Yes, I said Novak was in a fog at USO 21, and that's because he was. He was rattled and cried and it was freakish to watch. A top Djokovic beats Medvedev 10/10 times in a slam final.

Zverev has never beaten a top-10 player in a slam...

 

[junior74]

RG was an easy ride now for Novak? Lmao junior, come on now. He had to beat Nadal in the SF and was down 0-5 to start the match. Tsitsipas was playing great aswell to get himself a 2-0 lead, then djoko turned it around in tough circumstances. Both Nadal and Tsitspas were the best on clay heading into RG, and djoko beat both of them. He beat the 13 time champ in one of the most dramatic matches. But it wasn't "as" tough? Yea ok.

I said he had a tougher final against Stanimal. Obviously true, he was outplayed.

Great match by Djokovic against Nadal in the SF. But very clearly Rafa was not playing his best level (I have given Djokovic a lot of credit for this match, he played a brilliant tactical match - his level obviously instrumental in Rafa's subpar performance).

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Next thing your telling me Berrettini '21 would have crushed any version of Federer in Wimbledon

 

[RF-18]

You don’t think 2015 and 2011 had better competition?

I mean 2011 you had big 4 slugging it out in the tail end of the slams so how can not that be the best competition possible but as oppose to 15 vs 21 there are some slams I'd consider very close but overall 15 was better. Djokovic had to deal with Federer at Wimbledon and USO. He competed with very good Wawrinka, he competed with Murray. So 15 gets the nod.

 

[RS]

I mean 2011 you had big 4 slugging it out in the tail end of the slams so how can not that be the best competition possible but as oppose to 15 vs 21 there are some slams I'd consider very close but overall 15 was better. Djokovic had to deal with Federer at Wimbledon and USO. He competed with very good Wawrinka, he competed with Murray. So 15 gets the nod.

What slam in 2015 vs 2021 do you consider very close between both like RG or something?

 

[RS]

Murray

Hewitt AO 2005 final vs Djokovic AO 2020 final?

 

[Biotic]

How would you compare both to Murray of the AO 13/15 finals?

I was almost tempted to answer before I became aware that what follows is: "Out of 10?"

 

[RS]

I was almost tempted to answer before I became aware that what follows is: "Out of 10?"

I won’t ask out of 10. I was just asking in general.

 

[RF-18]

What slam in 2015 vs 2021 do you consider very close between both like RG or something?

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[junior74]

USO pretty close IMO, especially up until the final. I think Djokos USO draw this year was pretty nice but he didn't take advantage of it. Maybe cause of all the pressure, but he was always fighting uphill battles and losing unnecessary energy. The way the draw panned out he shouldn't have struggled the way he did.

It was a conspiracy, no?
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/conspiracy-against-djokovic.709659/

 

[RF-18]

What slam in 2015 vs 2021 do you consider very close between both like RG or something?

Forget my last post. Somehow I totally forgot Djoko had Berrettini-Z-Med in USO this year. So USO this year was tougher than 15 IMO especially till the final. No doubt about it.

 

[mike danny]

Karatsev in his first slam is very tough opponent?. He has since reached R2, R1, R3 in slams...

Raonic has not won a tournament since an ATP250 in 2016... 5 years of nothing but injury and totally absent results.

I have not said Novak didn't play well. I said the competition was not strong enough to call 2021 as strong as 2011 and/ or 2015 (which I think is a little overrated regarding competition).

Yes, I said Novak was in a fog at USO 21, and that's because he was. He was rattled and cried and it was freakish to watch. A top Djokovic beats Medvedev 10/10 times in a slam final.

Zverev has never beaten a top-10 player in a slam...

Zverev hasn't had notable slam wins outside 35 year old Stan in 2020. Forget top 10.

 

[NoleFam]

Don't think Djokovic was necessarily a better athlete at his peak - just a different one, Djokovic with the lateral movement and flexibility but Fed with the more explosive footwork and racket head speed. Even ignoring that there's no absolutely no way 2021 Djokovic is an equivalent or near equivalent athlete to 2006 Fed. It's ridiculous to think so IMO. Federer's limitations in 2015 are irrelevant because I'm not talking about 2015 Fed but 2006 Fed.

Also I wasn't talking about Raonic or Karatsev here, Aslan didn't play well enough for it to matter if he was passive or not anyway. Zverev plays from deep behind the baseline, I don't think he was particularly aggressive off the ground. He did a lot of damage with the serve but like I said it faltered in the big games. The difference in the tempo of the rallies between the 2006 QF and 2021 QF is quite obvious IMO.

I think 2015 Djokovic would be clearly too good for Med man, for one he'd be the one winning most of the baseline exchanges and Medvedev doesn't handle that sort of adversity very well IMO.

Anyway we're not going to agree here, so agree to disagree if you want.

To me, Djokovic, Nadal and Sampras at their peaks are 3 of the best athletes ever in tennis. Federer is slightly below them imo, although he is an exceptional athlete himself and I would rank him up there with the best of them. I don't consider racket head speed athleticism. Agassi's amazing racket speed never made up for his slower feet. If he had Djokovic or Nadal's speed, no way he goes 0-4 against Sampras at the USO.

I'm not sure why you think 2006 Federer is a much better athlete than 2021 Djokovic. Djokovic is still exceptional on defense and one of the main reasons next gen are having a hard time beating him. He's a better mover than Zverev, Berrettini and Hurkacz, and just as good as Tsitsipas and only slightly below Medvedev. All these guys are a decade younger than him. A difference between this Djokovic and 2006 Federer would be slight at best.

Aslan did play well. We watched two different matches. The scoreline does not do that match justice. I just don't agree about Zverev.

2015 Djokovic had quite a few close matches with players who were nowhere near as good as Medvedev on movement and defense. He wasn't blowing everybody away. He had a very close one with Berdych in Paris.

Of course, lol.

 

[mike danny]

Murray

Now now, 2013 Murray needed 5 sets to beat Federer, who was definitely worse than in 2006.

 

[NoleFam]

Now now, 2013 Murray needed 5 sets to beat Federer, who was definitely worse than in 2006.

He didn't ask about 2013 Murray.

 

[NoleFam]

Forget my last post. Somehow I totally forgot Djoko had Berrettini-Z-Med in USO this year. So USO this year was tougher than 15 IMO especially till the final. No doubt about it.

Djokovic's draw at the USO did him in. Not only was his last 3 matches tough, the guys he played leading up to them played far above their usual form and rankings.

 

[abmk]

Federer AO 2006 final vs Murray AO 12 SF who wins?

Murray

He didn't ask about 2013 Murray.

LOLOLOLOLOL.
2013 AO semi Murray was just as good, if not a tad better than 2012 AO semi (better physically, worse mentally)
2013 AO Murray needed to go to a 5th to beat 2013 AO SF fed who was much worse than AO 2006 fed.
Your under-rating of AO 2006 fed is beyond delusional.

2006 AO fed would beat 2020 AO/2021 AO Djokovic to say in language you will get a clue under. It was prime fed even though inconsistent. He hit highs including plenty of 6-0,6-1,6-2 sets.
Both Davydenko and Haas played better than Z who was Djoko's toughest opponent in 2021 AO.
Med was of course hopeless in the final. Atleast baggy who played 2 good first 2 sets before being gassed due to draw.
Hilarious how you say Karatsev played well in the semi and yet Djokovic fans in the same breath make fun of Kiefer in AO 06. I mean do you have some decency/standards?


Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

 

[NoleFam]

LOLOLOLOLOL.
2013 AO semi Murray was just as good, if not a tad better than 2012 AO semi (better physically, worse mentally)
2013 AO Murray needed to go to a 5th to beat 2013 AO SF fed who was much worse than AO 2006 fed.
Your under-rating of AO 2006 fed is beyond delusional.

2006 AO fed would beat 2020 AO/2021 AO Djokovic to say in language you will get a clue under.
Both Davydenko and Haas played better than Z who was Djoko's toughest opponent in 2021 AO.
Med was of course hopeless in the final compared to baggy who played 2 good first 2 sets before being gassed due to draw.
Hilarious how you say Karatsev played well in the semi and in the same breath make fun of Kiefer in AO 06. I mean do you have some decency/standards?

All I read is...womp womp womp...wawawomp...wawawomp womp womp. 2021 Djokovic would send 2006 Federer back to his private plane for his trip back to Switzerland and TTW posters would once again have egg on their faces. He should have went down two sets to love to Baghdatis in the final yet he's going to beat the Djokovic that played Medvedev? The absurb myths continue....

 

[abmk]

All I read is...womp womp womp...wawawomp...wawawomp womp womp. 2021 Djokovic would send 2006 Federer back to his private plane for his trip back to Switzerland and TTW posters would once again have egg on their faces. He should have went down two sets to love to Baghdatis in the final yet he's going to beat the Djokovic that played Medvedev? The absurb myths continue....

Only in the la la land of DJokovic crazies.

Federer would easily raise his level as required and outlast 21 Djokovic at the very least.

Baggy played a clearly better 1st set than Med did and a way better 2nd set. Med folded in the last 2 sets.

Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

Of course you don't have a response to the actual points:

"2013 AO semi Murray was just as good, if not a tad better than 2012 AO semi (better physically, worse mentally)
2013 AO Murray needed to go to a 5th to beat 2013 AO SF fed who was much worse than AO 2006 fed.
Your under-rating of AO 2006 fed is beyond delusional. "

"Hilarious how you say Karatsev played well in the semi and in the same breath make fun of Kiefer in AO 06. I mean do you have some decency/standards?"

 

[RF-18]

LOLOLOLOLOL.
2013 AO semi Murray was just as good, if not a tad better than 2012 AO semi (better physically, worse mentally)
2013 AO Murray needed to go to a 5th to beat 2013 AO SF fed who was much worse than AO 2006 fed.
Your under-rating of AO 2006 fed is beyond delusional.

2006 AO fed would beat 2020 AO/2021 AO Djokovic to say in language you will get a clue under. It was prime fed even though inconsistent. He hit highs including plenty of 6-0,6-1,6-2 sets.
Both Davydenko and Haas played better than Z who was Djoko's toughest opponent in 2021 AO.
Med was of course hopeless in the final. Atleast baggy who played 2 good first 2 sets before being gassed due to draw.
Hilarious how you say Karatsev played well in the semi and yet Djokovic fans in the same breath make fun of Kiefer in AO 06. I mean do you have some decency/standards?


Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

You are overexaggerating Feds level that tournament. He is partly to blame for even being pushed that far by Haas, and in the final fed was terrible the first 2 sets. Nothing wrong with saying 2021 AO Djoko would beat that Federer who was struggling with everyone. If Baghdatis and Haas can push Federer why wouldn't the undispited AO GOAT be able to win, who knocked out Medvedev out of the park who was a 20+ winning streak dating back to the year prior and winning every tournament he entered?

 

[NoleFam]

Only in the la la land of DJokovic crazies.

Federer would easily raise his level as required and outlast 21 Djokovic at the very least.

Baggy played a clearly better 1st set than Med did and a way better 2nd set. Med folded in the last 2 sets.

Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

Of course you don't have a response to the actual points:

"2013 AO semi Murray was just as good, if not a tad better than 2012 AO semi (better physically, worse mentally)
2013 AO Murray needed to go to a 5th to beat 2013 AO SF fed who was much worse than AO 2006 fed.
Your under-rating of AO 2006 fed is beyond delusional. "

"Hilarious how you say Karatsev played well in the semi and in the same breath make fun of Kiefer in AO 06. I mean do you have some decency/standards?"

What's the point in posting break stats when Djokovic was facing montrous servers and great oppostion on a lightning fast court while Federer played less opposition on a slower rebound ace court?

And then Federer would board his space ship for his deluxe tour of Neptune and Saturn. Lol.

 

[abmk]

You are overexaggerating Feds level that tournament. He is partly to blame for even being pushed that far by Haas, and in the final fed was terrible the first 2 sets. Nothing wrong with saying 2021 AO Djoko would beat that Federer who was struggling with everyone. If Baghdatis and Haas can push Federer why wouldn't the undispited AO GOAT be able to win, who knocked out Medvedev out of the park who was a 20+ winning streak dating back to the year prior and winning every tournament he entered?

No, Djoko crazies are under-rating Fed's AO 2006 level.

Does this not sink on?

Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

Fed wasn't terrible in the first 2 sets vs baggy. Only some UE games from ending stages of 1st set and start of 2nd set. That's it.
Med was sh*t in the last 2 sets of the AO 21 final. onyl a deluded one can't see it.

Could Djokovic of AO 21 win? Yeah. But fed would be favored. He was still in his prime, had higher gears than AO 21 Djokovic and would outlast him.

 

[abmk]

What's the point in posting break stats when Djokovic was facing montrous servers and great oppostion on a lightning fast court while Federer played less opposition on a slower rebound ace court?

And then Federer would board his space ship for his deluxe tour of Neptune and Saturn. Lol.

You do realise service stats are identical?
lesser opposition. Ah the Djokovic delusionalities strikes again

in the respective matches:

Davy of AO 06 > Z of AO 21
Haas of AO 06 > Raonic of AO 21
Baggy of AO 06 > Med of AO 21
Kiefer of AO 06 ~ Karatsev of AO 21

only in the la la land of Djokovic delusionalities can competition in AO 21 be better

great opposition in AO 21? LOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
the delusionalities is high with this one.

 

[NoleFam]

You are overexaggerating Feds level that tournament. He is partly to blame for even being pushed that far by Haas, and in the final fed was terrible the first 2 sets. Nothing wrong with saying 2021 AO Djoko would beat that Federer who was struggling with everyone. If Baghdatis and Haas can push Federer why wouldn't the undispited AO GOAT be able to win, who knocked out Medvedev out of the park who was a 20+ winning streak dating back to the year prior and winning every tournament he entered?

Well of course. No one buys this mess. He should never have been struggling to these guys and his level was pedestrian for large parts of the tournament yet his competition is being hailed as something extraordinary. Lol

 

[mike danny]

You do realise service stats are identical?
lesser opposition. Ah the Djokovic delusionalities strikes again

in the respective matches:

Davy of AO 06 > Z of AO 21
Haas of AO 06 > Raonic of AO 21
Baggy of AO 06 > Med of AO 21
Kiefer of AO 06 ~ Karatsev of AO 21

only in the la la land of Djokovic delusionalities can competition in AO 21 be better

Medvedev vs Baghdatis is arguable, but the others definitely aren't.

A grickin qualifier reached the semi and apparently Djokovic beat better competition? LOL.

 

[abmk]

Medvedev vs Baghdatis is arguable, but the others definitely aren't.

A grickin qualifier reached the semi and apparently Djokovic beat better competition? LOL.

I don't think Med vs Baggy is arguable in terms of actual matches. Baggy played a much better 2nd set and a better 1st set.

 

[mike danny]

You are overexaggerating Feds level that tournament. He is partly to blame for even being pushed that far by Haas, and in the final fed was terrible the first 2 sets. Nothing wrong with saying 2021 AO Djoko would beat that Federer who was struggling with everyone. If Baghdatis and Haas can push Federer why wouldn't the undispited AO GOAT be able to win, who knocked out Medvedev out of the park who was a 20+ winning streak dating back to the year prior and winning every tournament he entered?

Just like Djokovic had no businesd allowing Murray to take him to 5 at RG 2015, but apparently he gets a pass.

Beating Medvedev doesn't prove any superiority. Embarrassing how the guy collapsed in the final.

 

[mike danny]

I don't think Med vs Baggy is arguable in terms of actual matches. Baggy played a much better 2nd set and a better 1st set.

Djoko was a bit better than Fed in their respective finals.

Not like Medvedev is beating Fed anyway, but just saying.

 

[tudwell]

Well of course. No one buys this mess. He should never have been struggling to these guys and his level was pedestrian for large parts of the tournament yet his competition is being hailed as something extraordinary. Lol

Sans context, this could really be written about either 2006 or 2021 AOs lol.

(I do think Novak reached a higher gear than Fed in those last two matches, but the only person on paper who was more formidable opposition than anyone Fed faced was Medvedev, and he collapsed after one set. It’s not really crazy to me to swing one way or the other in this comparison.)

 

[mike danny]

Well of course. No one buys this mess. He should never have been struggling to these guys and his level was pedestrian for large parts of the tournament yet his competition is being hailed as something extraordinary. Lol

Should not have been struggling with Haas and Davydenko?

LOL wut?

 

[mike danny]

No, Djoko crazies are under-rating Fed's AO 2006 level.

Does this not sink on?

Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

Fed wasn't terrible in the first 2 sets vs baggy. Only some UE games from ending stages of 1st set and start of 2nd set. That's it.
Med was sh*t in the last 2 sets of the AO 21 final. onyl a deluded one can't see it.

Could Djokovic of AO 21 win? Yeah. But fed would be favored. He was still in his prime, had higher gears than AO 21 Djokovic and would outlast him.

Guys generally underrate some versions of Fed to the extreme. Even the good fans.

Sad.

 

[NoleFam]

Medvedev vs Baghdatis is arguable, but the others definitely aren't.

A grickin qualifier reached the semi and apparently Djokovic beat better competition? LOL.

And then the qualifier went and won Dubai as a wildcard. Shows how great his form was at the beginning of the year.

 

[RS]

Put the winner of these matchups below.

1. Hewitt USO 05 SF vs Cllic USO 14 final
2. Roddick AO 04 QF vs Federer AO 06 final
3. Roddick Wim 03 SF vs Murray Wim 13 final
4. Djokovic USO 15 final vs Federer Wim 17 final
5. Nadal RG 09 4R vs Djokovic RG 21 final

 

[abmk]

Well of course. No one buys this mess. He should never have been struggling to these guys and his level was pedestrian for large parts of the tournament yet his competition is being hailed as something extraordinary. Lol

LOLOLOL> fed should not have been struggling with Haas/Davydenko/in-form Baggy but Djokovic faced great competition vs Z and Raonic in AO 21. ROTFL. If you are putting AO 06 Fed and AO 21 djokovic up for competition, you are making a gigantic fool out of yourself.

If you want to say a peak level fed should not have struggled that much at AO 06, well yeah. But that's not the talk, is it?
Its the same delusionalities you have wrt to USO 07 final. Some games of UE tennis from fed (from 5 all in the 1st set to 1-4 in the 2nd set) and all of a sudden, its below par from fed. LOLOL.

 

[mike danny]

And then the qualifier went and won Dubai as a wildcard. Shows how great his form was at the beginning of the year.

So what? Like Baghdatis didn't do some great things himself. He beat 3 top 10 players just to reach that final, but apparently he's a mug while KaratsevGOAT.

 

[RS]

Forget my last post. Somehow I totally forgot Djoko had Berrettini-Z-Med in USO this year. So USO this year was tougher than 15 IMO especially till the final. No doubt about it.

Do you not think Djokovic and Federer on fire in USO 15 makes up for the rest of field pre final in US 2021?

 

[abmk]

Djoko was a bit better than Fed in their respective finals.

Not like Medvedev is beating Fed anyway, but just saying.

True. But Djokovic was in part allowed that confidence by Med stinking it up.

 

[Daniel Andrade]

Surface Slam is just a catchy phrase coined by fanatics.

In reality 2010 was a transition period between Federer and Novak's eras, it wasn't that great an year.

It definitely was

 

[abmk]

Guys generally underrate some versions of Fed to the extreme. Even the good fans.

Sad.

I don't think nolefam is a good Djokovic fan. He was just about tolerable before. He's gone off the deep end in the last year. Now he's saying 2021 AO had great competition. I mean how delusional do you have to be to say that?

 

[NoleFam]

Should not have been struggling with Haas and Davydenko?

LOL wut?

He was up two sets to love on Haas and ended up going 5, and he definitely should not have been struggling with Kiefer.

 

[RF-18]

Guys generally underrate some versions of Fed to the extreme. Even the good fans.

Sad.

Only talking about 2006 AO fed.

 

[NoleFam]

So what? Like Baghdatis didn't do some great things himself. He beat 3 top 10 players just to reach that final, but apparently he's a mug while KaratsevGOAT.

I never said Baghdatis was a mug. I've said in the past Baghdatis played quite well that tournament but he was a nobody at that point, in his 1st Slam final and was bossing peak Federer. It's not like Federer was playing well in those 1st two sets. So yea, you guys are overrating this version of Federer.

 

[RF-18]

No, Djoko crazies are under-rating Fed's AO 2006 level.

Does this not sink on?

Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

Fed wasn't terrible in the first 2 sets vs baggy. Only some UE games from ending stages of 1st set and start of 2nd set. That's it.
Med was sh*t in the last 2 sets of the AO 21 final. onyl a deluded one can't see it.

Could Djokovic of AO 21 win? Yeah. But fed would be favored. He was still in his prime, had higher gears than AO 21 Djokovic and would outlast him.

Faster conditions this year, and Djokovic played like big servers every match almost. Djokos return stats aren't good sure but partial reason is due to the circumstances of unusual conditions and big servers.

 

[abmk]

He was up two sets to love on Haas and ended up going 5, and he definitely should not have been struggling with Kiefer.

LOL, fed won the first set vs Kiefer comfortably 6-3, then had 6-0 and 6-2 sets in the 3rd and 4th sets.
Kiefer won a close 2nd set 7-5 by playing well.
That's struggling? LOL.

But then you don't have a clue about AO 04 federer. Not a surprise you would be rather clueless about AO 06 as well.

 

[NoleFam]

Sans context, this could really be written about either 2006 or 2021 AOs lol.

(I do think Novak reached a higher gear than Fed in those last two matches, but the only person on paper who was more formidable opposition than anyone Fed faced was Medvedev, and he collapsed after one set. It’s not really crazy to me to swing one way or the other in this comparison.)

Fair enough here.

 

[abmk]

Faster conditions this year, and Djokovic played like big servers every match almost. Djokos return stats aren't good sure but partial reason is due to the circumstances of unusual conditions and big servers.

the faster conditions means Djokovic's hold% should be higher than fed's if he was playing about as well, yeah?
It isn't. They are near identical.

 

[RS]

On a scale of 0 to a strong 10 were does Federer of the AO 06 final sit?

 

[travlerajm]

Surface Slam is just a catchy phrase coined by fanatics.

In reality 2010 was a transition period between Federer and Novak's eras, it wasn't that great an year.

It was the peak of the Rafa era.

 

[RS]

LOLOLOLOLOL.
2013 AO semi Murray was just as good, if not a tad better than 2012 AO semi (better physically, worse mentally)
2013 AO Murray needed to go to a 5th to beat 2013 AO SF fed who was much worse than AO 2006 fed.
Your under-rating of AO 2006 fed is beyond delusional.

2006 AO fed would beat 2020 AO/2021 AO Djokovic to say in language you will get a clue under. It was prime fed even though inconsistent. He hit highs including plenty of 6-0,6-1,6-2 sets.
Both Davydenko and Haas played better than Z who was Djoko's toughest opponent in 2021 AO.
Med was of course hopeless in the final. Atleast baggy who played 2 good first 2 sets before being gassed due to draw.
Hilarious how you say Karatsev played well in the semi and yet Djokovic fans in the same breath make fun of Kiefer in AO 06. I mean do you have some decency/standards?


Federer in AO 06: hold% = 89.9%, break% = 34.5%
Djokovic in AO 21: hold% = 89.8%, break% = 29.8%
Djokovic in AO 20: hold% = 89.6%, break% = 29.6%

AO 20/21 were faster than AO 06, but surely not enough for a 4.5-5% difference in break%.
So federer's stats are in effect better both hold wise and return wise.

Do you think it’s bad to pick Murray to win in say 5 sets?