Nice, but I'd put Paris at #1.1. Shanghai
2. Paris
3. MC
4. Canada
5. Madrid
6. Cincinnati
7. Miami
8. Rome
9. IW
Agree. Also no best of 5 finals anymore, so no difference to those which always were best of 3 either. It's the same, just like every Slam is the same for a long while now.Fruitless endeavor.
All 9 give 1000 pts and similar ball park money. IW/Miami were 2 weeks before but now that is also not different.
Whatever, they ALL reward 1000 ranking points and lots of money, as well as being considered Big Tournament Wins.1. Shanghai
2. Paris
3. MC
4. Canada
5. Madrid
6. Cincinnati
7. Miami
8. Rome
9. IW
1. Indian WellsHow do you rank all nine of them?
No way a masters tournament played in some gymnastics gym can be number 1Nice, but I'd put Paris at #1.
Paris Masters has a lot of history. Ashe, Smith, Nastase, Becker (3), Edberg, Sampras (2), Agassi (2), Safin (3) all won it. Not much history in Madrid.1. Indian wells
2. Rome
3. Cinci
4. Queens (sue me)
5. Halle (sue me again)
6. Monte carlo
7. Miami
8. Canada
9. Shanghai
Paris and Madrid should not be masters.
Yeah but indoors is not necessary. We already have them from time to time with roofs.Paris Masters has a lot of history. Ashe, Smith, Nastase, Becker (3), Edberg, Sampras (2), Agassi (2), Safin (3) all won it. Not much history in Madrid.
Scrap the indoor tournaments? What about the ATP Finals?Yeah but indoors is not necessary. We already have them from time to time with roofs.
Keep that. Everyone happyScrap the indoor tournaments? What about the ATP Finals?
I mean, it depends on the player really. For me, personally, trying to be objective about it...
1. Indian Wells - It has kind of become the crown jewel of the ATP tour given the money Ellison has pumped into it, the location, how much the players seem to like it, its unique placement removed from any of the majors (Miami has this too, but this comes first, which helps) but at the start of the season when everything and everyone is fresh as opposed to Shanghai and Paris at the end of the season when things are winding up.
2. Rome - These top two are very close, but I think Rome being the second of a back-to-back with just a one week break after it before Roland Garros hurts it in comparison with the desert. It's still the Italian Open and one of the most prestigious tennis events with one of the great lists of champions in all the sport.
3. Cincinnati - Podunk location (no offence to the locals), recently under attack from the Navarro's, but it's still one of the oldest tennis tournaments on the planet, and has in the past decade absolutely wrested dominance away from Canada as the premier US Open warmup.
4. Madrid - I think with the current Italian invasion of tennis, Rome will become a bigger deal to them, and that could hurt Madrid a little, which is why it's below Cincy.
5. Shanghai - For whatever reason, I don't think this has quite hit the heights that it should have. I think its fairly close proximity post-US Open hurts it a little bit when everyone has the post-Major blues. The pandemic era obviously hasn't helped, nor the Peng Shuai stuff, but the centre of the world is moving ever more towards Asia, and this tournament should be elevated by that.
5. Miami - Parking lot, but parking lot in the capital of the tennis world.
7. Canada -It is really amazing how much of a blow this has taken in the big 3 era, for whatever reason. I feel like the rise of the Olympics has really sort of hurt it, because every 4 years it's basically turned into a 500. Cincinnati has also obviously established itself as the big brother of the two (I think Roger preferring it and Novak chasing it helped it a lot), and that's not the case to anything like the same degree with the other two events here that are the second in a back-to-back, so I'm amazed it has become so clearly the case here.
8. Monte Carlo - The downgrading of this tournament continues to break my heart. Like Cincy, it's one of the oldest tournaments on the planet, unlike Cincy, it gets no goddamn respect.
9.Move this POS somewhere else, please. Ever since Roger Federer prioritized his local tournament over it (and since Rafa Nadal decided he liked western Paris a lot more than eastern Paris) it has been dying. It bottomed out that Sock/Krajinovic year, the younger generation have instilled a little life in it, but not much. I actually quite like watching it, because it really is kind of an outlier on the tour as a surface, but it feels so small time, as most post-US Open stuff does.
Paris masters is amazing. Some idiots can't win it indoors
Nadal alcaraz other clay court April to June players.It's the only indoor Masters which gives it a distinction. Any idiots in mind?![]()
MC as only not mandatory most be least important. However it is most important to nole becouse of 3x GM.
Year | IW | Miami | MC | Madrid | Rome | Rogers cup | Cincy | Shanghai | Paris |
2019 | 88 | 83 | 77 | 89 | 89 | 78 | 80 | 82 | 83 |
2020 | - | - | - | - | 77 | - | 76 | - | 66 |
2021 | 78 | 66 | 75 | 80 | 90 | 65 | 80 | - | 81 |
2022 | 89 | 82 | 72 | 86 | 80 | 79 | 85 | - | 91 |
2023 | 79 | 83 | 75 | 81 | 87 | 81 | 89 | 89 | 95 |
Cummulative | 83 | 79 | 75 | 84 | 84 | 76 | 82 | 85 | 83 |
I think Rogers Cup has more than that. Popyrin gets added to that list. Cincy has Coric, Medvedev, Zverev, Dimitrov, Cilic.1 time masters winners in last 10 years
2014 MC - Stan. Beating Cilic , Almagro , Raonic , Ferrer, Federer. 2015 - no new 1 time masters winners 2016 Cincinnati - Cilic. Beating Troicki, Verdsaco, Berdych, Coric, Dimitrov, Murray. 2017 Cincinnati - Dimitrov. Beating Feliciano Lopez, Delpo, Sugita?? , Isner, Kyrgios. 2017 Paris -...tt.tennis-warehouse.com
Most 1 time winners since 2014 by tournament.
4 in IW
1 in Miami
3 in Cincinnati
3 in Paris
2 in Rogers cup
Paris is no worse than any other tournament. In fact, IW might be worst in that term.
I mean masters winner that never won another masters. So taking out Zverev. Otherwise we will put Medvedev's name in this even though he has won 6/9 masters.I think Rogers Cup has more than that. Popyrin gets added to that list. Cincy has Coric, Zverev, Dimitrov, Cilic.
Oh I see. I thought you meant 1 time winner in the tournament.I mean masters winner that never won another masters. So taking out Zverev. Otherwise we will put Medvedev's name in this even though he has won 6/9 masters.
I AGREE!Great analysis even if I don't necessarily agree with everything. Good post!
I mean, it depends on the player really. For me, personally, trying to be objective about it...
1. Indian Wells - It has kind of become the crown jewel of the ATP tour given the money Ellison has pumped into it, the location, how much the players seem to like it, its unique placement removed from any of the majors (Miami has this too, but this comes first, which helps) but at the start of the season when everything and everyone is fresh as opposed to Shanghai and Paris at the end of the season when things are winding up.
2. Rome - These top two are very close, but I think Rome being the second of a back-to-back with just a one week break after it before Roland Garros hurts it in comparison with the desert. It's still the Italian Open and one of the most prestigious tennis events with one of the great lists of champions in all the sport.
3. Cincinnati - Podunk location (no offence to the locals), recently under attack from the Navarro's, but it's still one of the oldest tennis tournaments on the planet, and has in the past decade absolutely wrested dominance away from Canada as the premier US Open warmup.
4. Madrid - I think with the current Italian invasion of tennis, Rome will become a bigger deal to them, and that could hurt Madrid a little, which is why it's below Cincy.
5. Shanghai - For whatever reason, I don't think this has quite hit the heights that it should have. I think its fairly close proximity post-US Open hurts it a little bit when everyone has the post-Major blues. The pandemic era obviously hasn't helped, nor the Peng Shuai stuff, but the centre of the world is moving ever more towards Asia, and this tournament should be elevated by that.
5. Miami - Parking lot, but parking lot in the capital of the tennis world.
7. Canada -It is really amazing how much of a blow this has taken in the big 3 era, for whatever reason. I feel like the rise of the Olympics has really sort of hurt it, because every 4 years it's basically turned into a 500. Cincinnati has also obviously established itself as the big brother of the two (I think Roger preferring it and Novak chasing it helped it a lot), and that's not the case to anything like the same degree with the other two events here that are the second in a back-to-back, so I'm amazed it has become so clearly the case here.
8. Monte Carlo - The downgrading of this tournament continues to break my heart. Like Cincy, it's one of the oldest tournaments on the planet, unlike Cincy, it gets no goddamn respect.
9.Move this POS somewhere else, please. Ever since Roger Federer prioritized his local tournament over it (and since Rafa Nadal decided he liked western Paris a lot more than eastern Paris) it has been dying. It bottomed out that Sock/Krajinovic year, the younger generation have instilled a little life in it, but not much. I actually quite like watching it, because it really is kind of an outlier on the tour as a surface, but it feels so small time, as most post-US Open stuff does.