Rank the following players based on promise

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Rank these guys based on what you expect them to achieve by the end of their careers:
Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, Coric, Zverev, Shapovalov, FAA, Kyrgios, Thiem

Here’s my best guess:
1. Zverev
2. Tsitsipas
3. FAA
4. Thiem
5. Coric
6. Kyrgios
7. Shapovalov
8. Tiafoe

These guys are all very talented in different ways and I expect all to contend for titles. I’m sure I left 3-4 guys off the list.
 

Fridge

Professional
1. Thiem - Pretty clear he can win RG after Nadal and Novak are gone, he is the most secure bet right now on the list.
2. FAA - most mentally stable guy on the list, however too young to get a good read on.
3. Zverev - Clearly talented, Lendl will straighten him out
4. Coric - Really tough guy to beat and hard worker, stars could align for him
5. Kyrgios - He is kyrgios, enough said
6. Tiafoe - Big serve and FH, Pretty good BH adnd movement. Could see him winning a slam in 5+ years
7. Tsitsipas and 8. Shapovalov - for these guys i just dont see them winning and IDK if there is one specific thing that stands out to me as why
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Rank these guys based on what you expect them to achieve by the end of their careers:
Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, Coric, Zverev, Shapovalov, FAA, Kyrgios, Thiem

Here’s my best guess:
1. Zverev
2. Tsitsipas
3. FAA
4. Thiem
5. Coric
6. Kyrgios
7. Shapovalov
8. Tiafoe

These guys are all very talented in different ways and I expect all to contend for titles. I’m sure I left 3-4 guys off the list.

I made a thread similar to this. Basically, No. 1 was Tsitsipas and No. 2 was Zverev. The others can be moved around a bit imo.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Rank these guys based on what you expect them to achieve by the end of their careers:

I assume you mean which one will end up with the most slams, since that's the primary (some will say 'sole') indicator of greatness.

I refuse to even discuss Tiafoe, since he's never getting near a major title.


1. Tsitsipas (clearly the outstanding prospect in this group as of right now)
2. FAA
3. Shapovalov
4. Zverev
5. Nick
6. Coric
7. Thiem

My reasoning for placing Zverev so low is not because of my dislike of him or his game. I feel he's too tall and doesn't have the body type to withstand the rigors of the tour long-term. I believe his body will break down. There's a reason there's never been a 6'6 guy dominating tennis. Khachanov is 6'6 but built stronger and bigger than Z.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
10. Fritz

450x253

Maybe as a male model when he retires. :D
 

raph6

Semi-Pro
1. FAA
2. Shapovalov
3. Tsitsipas

Far away :

4. Zverev

Far far away :

5. Thiem
6. Coric
7. Kyrgios
8. Tiafoe
 

Yugram

Legend
1.Zverev (1-3 GS, 10+ Masters, 3-4 WTF, long #1 streak)
2.Thiem (2 GS, 3 or more Masters)
3.Tsitsipas (1 GS, then fade away, 2-3 Masters)
4.Coric (Some Masters, maybe a couple of GS finals)
5.Shapovalov (Close to nothing)
6.Tiafoe (Close to nothing)
7.Kyrgios (Nothing)
8.FAA (Nothing)
 
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NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
Out of the 8 that you've mentioned, i would say:
1. Thiem
2. Tsitsipas
3. Zverev
4. Coric
5. Kyrgios
6. Tiafoe
7. Shapovalov
8. Auger-Aliassime
 

The Guru

Legend
1. Coric
2. Tsitsipas
3. Thiem
4. Auger Aliassime
5. Zverev
6. Shapovalov
7. Kyrgios
8. Tiafoe

Kinda weird to exclude De Minaur, Khachanov, and Medvedev as they are all more promising than some of the players listed imo.
 
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ibbi

G.O.A.T.
1. Zverev -- The man is a seriously fascinating case. Top 3 or 4 best player in the world over best of 3 sets, with not quite big 4 like consistency, but something not entirely far off. Yet over best of 5? I mean his issue is not physical, he's worked his butt off with Jez Green in that regard, and he doesn't have an issue with crumbling mentally on big stages, he's beaten the biggest players in the world for titles.

But why the hell can he not play best of 5 set tennis to even top 10 standard? If he can get over that hump he's easily number 1 on this list. If he can't he's probably going to get overtaken by a bunch of these guys. Still, he's accomplished more at this stage of his career than anyone else has at such an age since certainly Murray and Djokovic, so he's still comfortably number 1.

2. Tsitsipas -- Between the Rogers Cup and Australian Open runs he has to be number two. Can do that shocking thing guys of this generation seemingly can't of getting to net, he can play over best of 5, he doesn't seem scared or over awed by the biggest stages and opponents(ish).

A lot of those break points with Fed in Australia he saved in damn fine style, the way he held his nerve in that match was bad ass. The fact that he actually backed it up in the next round was arguably even more impressive instead of just being satisfied and fading away.

3. Coric -- He seems to have been around for years, I'm not sure why he hasn't stepped up in any consistently meaningful way yet. He gets compared to Novak, but where's the consistency? Beats Federer in Halle one day, and what happens the next? I remember how cool it was when he outclassed Sascha in New York 2 years ago, and then BAM, folds to Big Kev.

He's had a couple of pretty decent results at the last 2 majors with losses to finalist/semi finalists, and he still has a couple of years to improve, and he has the sort of style and game I feel might only be helped by further experience, but jeez. Get it together already, it's not like you're just breaking on the scene. He's way too up and down.

4. Kyrgios -- Headcase who needs to develop consistency and a sort of moderate level he can rely on when he isn't in his blazingly inspired form. Physically unconvincing too. Has probably displayed the highest level out of all these guys on a more than one off basis, but he doesn't REALLY seem like he's interested in being a multi time slam champion.

He seems more a Monfils type who turns up with inspired magic now and then but doesn't have the work ethic and desire to put him over the top to the level he's probably closer to than anyone else here. Day in and day out guy who loves the lifestyle the game affords him and having fun more than winning.

5. Shapovalov -- Ah, the disappointment! The autumn of 2017 with his Rogers Cup and US Open runs really, really, really did make you think the game was saved, but like Kyrgios the dude needs to develop a base level to get him through the day to day when he's not on fire. Roger Federer didn't get where he is because of all the genius creativity, he got there because he could hold serve against god and rally for 5 hours with Nadal.

He's still doing well enough that he is climbing rather than tumbling down the rankings, but has he had one defining, killer win since USO17? I can't recall anything. The set he just took of Novak in Australia was more on Djokovic than him.

6. FAA -- I have not seen enough of him yet to really be able to judge in any meaningful way, but he's so young that there's no reason to be anything but hopeful for him.

7. Thiem -- Promise? He's going to be 26 this year, and all he has to show for it is one spectacular failure of a Roland Garros final. He's beaten Nadal the last two clay seasons, and crumbled embarrassingly before tournaments end. These are supposed to be the best years of a players career.

I suppose he could be like some of these lost gen guys and play his best tennis closer to 30, but... that's not really promise, that's the fanning of dying embers. He's the only one here with a major final to his name, sure, but he doesn't seem to be displaying any discernible improvement.

8. Tiafoe -- The quarter final run in Melbourne just now is nice, taking Federer 5 in New York was pretty cool, but he's done nothing else of genuine note even though like Coric he's been around a few years now.

Hopefully this is his year to make the big step up, but until we see it there's no reason to believe, and I have a hard time seeing anyone with that whack forehand going very far very often.

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Lotsa love to Khachanov and Medvedev, who I might well slot in at about 3 and 4 on this list, and de Minaur who I'd probably have either just ahead or just behind Felix.
 
1. Tsitsipas
2. Zverev
3. FAA
4. Thiem
5. Kyrgios
6. Tiafoe
7. Coric
8. Shapovalov

Medvedev and Khachanov would be in the list for me (were it my original post), probably #4 and #5 respectively.

@ibbi - excellent post, thanks for taking the time and effort there.
 

EloQuent

Legend
Achieve = slams? No "3 masters is impressive" nonsense? Ok then.

Tsitsipas
FAA
Thiem
Tiafoe
Shapovalov
Kyrgios
Coric
Zverev

ETA here's my predictions for these guys:
Tsitsipas, 5-7 slams.
Felix, 3-4
Thiem 2-3
Tiafoe 2
Shapo 0-2
Kyrgios 0-1
Coric 0-1
Zverev 0
 
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Druss

Hall of Fame
I assume you mean which one will end up with the most slams, since that's the primary (some will say 'sole') indicator of greatness.

I refuse to even discuss Tiafoe, since he's never getting near a major title.


1. Tsitsipas (clearly the outstanding prospect in this group as of right now)
2. FAA
3. Shapovalov
4. Zverev
5. Nick
6. Coric
7. Thiem

My reasoning for placing Zverev so low is not because of my dislike of him or his game. I feel he's too tall and doesn't have the body type to withstand the rigors of the tour long-term. I believe his body will break down. There's a reason there's never been a 6'6 guy dominating tennis. Khachanov is 6'6 but built stronger and bigger than Z.
I pretty much agree with this list, except I'd replace Coric with either Khachanov or Medvedev, and have Coric placed after Thiem. I really don't know much about FAA as of yet, so it's still early days to be hyping him up, so i'd put an asterisk beside his name.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
I think Thiem's already too old to promise anything. He should have shown at least a bit of what he is capable of by now. Probably should have won 1 FO, at least.

My list:

1. Zverev
2. Tsitsipas
3. Kyrgios
4. Shapovalov
5. FAA
6. Coric
7. Thiem
8. Tiafoe
 
A complete and total toss up at this point

Everyone mentioned is absolutely worthless at tennis in the face of real competition

In a couple years they will be the only people on tour with a chance though

Roll of the dice where someone lands going from 19-22 years old to 27-29 years old
 

The Guru

Legend
Can someone who is into futures/juniors and low level challengers give us a couple teens to get excited about because this thread is making me said. I don't think any of these guys have an ATG game and I can't see any of them winning more than 4 or 5 slams unless Shapo puts it all together (unlikely) and Felix is too young to write off. I don't want Dimitrov and Nishikori winning slams in their early 30s after Djokovic and Nadal retire.
 

EloQuent

Legend
Can someone who is into futures/juniors and low level challengers give us a couple teens to get excited about because this thread is making me said. I don't think any of these guys have an ATG game and I can't see any of them winning more than 4 or 5 slams unless Shapo puts it all together (unlikely) and Felix is too young to write off. I don't want Dimitrov and Nishikori winning slams in their early 30s after Djokovic and Nadal retire.
Sinner and Draper.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
You're all underestimating Tiafoe. The man from Sierra Leone will prove everyone wrong in the future. He's got the goods, you saw what he could do at the AO. He has a steady game, he doesn't "fluke" good matches, he develops gradually. His game isn't reliant on one big weapon, he hasn't really got a weakness. His game just needs some tidying up to do. You also seem to be placing Thiem very highly, but are you forgetting that he's already 25 going on 26? That's pretty much the age where one peak usually, unlike the others in that list.

1. FAA
2. Zverev
3. Tsitsipas
4. Tiafoe
5. Thiem
6. Coric
7. Kyrgios (might be the most talented of all but he'll never get it together. His game is also very reliant on him having a good day at the office, which doesn't bode well for consistent results)
8. Shapovalov (oh yes I did. Flashy games don't get you anywhere today. I like watching him play but playing pretty =/= playing effective tennis. It just doesn't look like a winning game to me, but he can prove me wrong all day)
 
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