Rank the level of Novak Djokovic's SF/F opponents in slam wins since 2020

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas


How would you rank the levels of these opponents from highest-to-lowest?


I think other than Thiem being the highest, it's pretty hazy.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer 9/10 for most of 1st set then 3/10
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem 6/10.. big time choke vs a guy just keeping ball in play
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev - 3/10
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev - 4/10
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal - 5/10 was clearly injured but had chances
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 8/10 for 2 sets then 2/10
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov - 2/10
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini - 5/10
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie - 0/10
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios - 5/10
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul - 1/10
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 4/10


How would you rank the levels of these opponents from highest-to-lowest?


I think other than Thiem being the highest, it's pretty hazy.

answers in bold… just a bunch of crap apart from thiem and injured nadal
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Why not add the quarterfinals opponents too?
--> Raonic, Carreno-Busta, Zverev, Berrettini, Fucsovics, Berrettini, Nadal, Sinner, Rublev.
A lot of those players are or were top-10.

Not sure what's your point anyway. It's no secret the entire Big-3 had easier and more difficult draws in some Slams. Nadal beating Ruud in a Slam final is as hazy (if not more) as Djokovic beating Norrie in a Wimbledon semifinal for instance. We could cherry pick any kind of combination to prove a point.

? IMO Djokovic's last 3 Slams finals were all against the 2nd best players of the tournament. Berrettini's statistics were insane in Wimbledon 2021, he was an ace machine and still hasn't lost a match on grass in 2021 and 2022 outside of that final. Kyrgios? That guy is the most dangerous non top-10 player anyone could face in a Grand Slam. As a Djokofan final I always want him to avoid Kyrgios. And Tsitsipas was (without a doubt) the best opponent Djokovic could have in the Australian open this year. World number #3, 3 times semifinalist, undefeated in 2023. Who did you want Djokovic to play? Nadal? He lost in straight sets in R2. Federer? Retired. Zverev? Never beaten him in BO5. Medvedev? If he couldn't win a set against Korda, how was he gonna do better than Tstisipas if he'd reached the final? Please name a better finalist than Tsitsipas. Djokovic would have lost less than 15 games against anybody else.
 
answers in bold… just a bunch of crap apart from thiem and injured nadal
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer 9/10 for most of 1st set then 3/10
lol I missed this match live, and then maybe a year later wanted to watch it, feeling ready to see Roger lose in straights. That was before I started watching and found out that Federer actually went almost a doube break up in the 1st. :alien: Knowing he'll lose the set in the TB, just couldn't handle it and turned it off. So disappointing for what ended up being the last match in the rivalry.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Why not add the quarterfinals opponents too?
--> Raonic, Carreno-Busta, Zverev, Berrettini, Fucsovics, Berrettini, Nadal, Sinner, Rublev.
A lot of those players are or were top-10.

Not sure what's your point anyway. It's no secret the entire Big-3 had easier and more difficult draws in some Slams. Nadal beating Ruud in a Slam final is as hazy (if not more) as Djokovic beating Norrie in a Wimbledon semifinal for instance. We could cherry pick any kind of combination to prove a point.

? IMO Djokovic's last 3 Slams finals were all against the 2nd best players of the tournament. Berrettini's statistics were insane in Wimbledon 2021, he was an ace machine and still hasn't lost a match on grass in 2021 and 2022 outside of that final. Kyrgios? That guy is the most dangerous non top-10 player anyone could face in a Grand Slam. As a Djokofan final I always want him to avoid Kyrgios. And Tsitsipas was (without a doubt) the best opponent Djokovic could have in the Australian open this year. World number #3, 3 times semifinalist, undefeated in 2023. Who did you want Djokovic to play? Nadal? He lost in straight sets in R2. Federer? Retired. Zverev? Never beaten him in BO5. Medvedev? If he couldn't win a set against Korda, how was he gonna do better than Tstisipas if he'd reached the final? Please name a better finalist than Tsitsipas. Djokovic would have lost less than 15 games against anybody else.

Holy triggered, Batman? I literally said nothing about the quality of the opponents!?

:unsure:
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Why not add the quarterfinals opponents too?
--> Raonic, Carreno-Busta, Zverev, Berrettini, Fucsovics, Berrettini, Nadal, Sinner, Rublev.
A lot of those players are or were top-10.

Not sure what's your point anyway. It's no secret the entire Big-3 had easier and more difficult draws in some Slams. Nadal beating Ruud in a Slam final is as hazy (if not more) as Djokovic beating Norrie in a Wimbledon semifinal for instance. We could cherry pick any kind of combination to prove a point.

? IMO Djokovic's last 3 Slams finals were all against the 2nd best players of the tournament. Berrettini's statistics were insane in Wimbledon 2021, he was an ace machine and still hasn't lost a match on grass in 2021 and 2022 outside of that final. Kyrgios? That guy is the most dangerous non top-10 player anyone could face in a Grand Slam. As a Djokofan final I always want him to avoid Kyrgios. And Tsitsipas was (without a doubt) the best opponent Djokovic could have in the Australian open this year. World number #3, 3 times semifinalist, undefeated in 2023. Who did you want Djokovic to play? Nadal? He lost in straight sets in R2. Federer? Retired. Zverev? Never beaten him in BO5. Medvedev? If he couldn't win a set against Korda, how was he gonna do better than Tstisipas if he'd reached the final? Please name a better finalist than Tsitsipas. Djokovic would have lost less than 15 games against anybody else.

Poor girl.. you just don't get it do you?

Berrettini and Kyrgios being second best of the tournament means nothing given they'd be lucky to reach the quarter finals in the strong era...
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Poor girl.. you just don't get it do you?

Berrettini and Kyrgios being second best of the tournament means nothing given they'd be lucky to reach the quarter finals in the strong era...

So what does Djokovic have to prove then? In the "strong era" he beat Federer, Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka multiple times in Slams. He beat Nadal twice in RG and Federer 3 times in Wimbledon. Beat both Federer and Nadal in all 4 Slams (the same can't be said about Federer and Nadal...) Beat Murray in 5 different AO finals during the "strong era". No one had to beat more members of the Big-4 in Slams.

What's wrong if all those players from the "strong era" are either retired or done, now? It's Djokovic's fault that he is still the best? Poor girl, you just don't get it do you?
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
So what does Djokovic have to prove then? In the "strong era" he beat Federer, Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka multiple times in Slams. He beat Nadal twice in RG and Federer 3 times in Wimbledon. Beat both Federer and Nadal in all 4 Slams (the same can't be said about Federer and Nadal...) Beat Murray in 5 different AO finals during the "strong era". No one had to beat more members of the Big-4 in Slams.

What's wrong if all those players from the "strong era" are either retired or done, now? It's Djokovic's fault that he is still the best? Poor girl, you just don't get it do you?

lol wtf are you on about he beat Nadal twice at RG and Federer 3 times at Wimbledon... that's from 2014+ one of the darkest ages in the open era and both Federer and Nadal heavily declined :-D

During the strong era he had one chance against Nadal at RG in 2013 but ultimately failed... just like Nadal failed to beat him at AO12...

He also got dealt with rather comfortably by Federer at WIM12...

But the fact is in the strong era, Djok only able to have 12 months of dominance... without that... it was one slam per season and he was lucky to win those too... Nadal sitter bh away from stopping him in AO12, Stan bs line call away from stopping him in AO13... heck, even 33 year old Roger almost beat him in WIM14 ..

So apart from that 2011 season, he was reduced to winning one slam per year... I guarantee you that wouldn't have been the case if his sf + f opponents were the calibre of Norrie + Kyrgios or Shapovalov + Berrettini or Paul + Tsitsipas :-D :-D :-D he would have easily had multiple slam seasons every year

Lol you'd have to be on some pretty hard drugs to think otherwise...
 
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DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
lol wtf are you on about he beat Nadal twice at RG and Federer 3 times at Wimbledon... that's from 2014+ one of the darkest ages in the open era and both Federer and Nadal heavily declined :-D

During the strong era he had one chance against Nadal at RG in 2013 but ultimately failed... just like Nadal failed to beat him at AO12...

He also got dealt with rather comfortably by Federer at WIM12...

But the fact is in the strong era, Djok only able to have 12 months of dominance... without that one slam per season and he was lucky to win those too... Nadal sitter bh away from stopping him in AO12, Stan bs line call away from stopping him in AO13... heck, even 33 year old Roger almost beat him in WIM14 ..

So apart from that 2011 season, he was reduced to winning one slam per year... I guarantee you that wouldn't have been the case if his sf + f opponents were the calibre of Norrie + Kyrgios or Shapovalov + Berrettini or Paul + Tsitsipas :-D :-D :-D he would have easily had multiple slam seasons every year

Lol you'd have to be one some pretty hard drugs to think otherwise...
The only result of today's tennis is that the New Gen never made the grade and that Joker is the last man standing.
:X3:
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer - 5 (for 20 mins, was 99/10)
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem - 7.5
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev - 2
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev - 5
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal - 6.75 (overall; 8 for sets 1-3)
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 6.5
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov - minus 100
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini - 5.5
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie - 2
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios - 6.5
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul - 4
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 5.5
 
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Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer - 5 (for 20 mins, was 99/10)
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem - 7.5
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev - 2
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev - 5
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal - 6.75 (overall; 8 for sets 1-3)
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 6.5
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov - minus 100
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini - 5.5
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie - 2
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios - 6
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul - 4
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 5.5
I’d bump Nick up a half point. He was about average at the baseline and bad in the big points but that serve makes me happy.
 

Ovie

Rookie
All these players were literally ploughing through the field before they met Novak, Them had beaten Nadal and Zverev in the same competition, lost in a 5 sets match that could and should have gone his way in the 4th if not for some clutch plays by Novak but no, let's rate him 3/10
 

Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
AO 2020 SF - 6/10
AO 2020 F - 7/10
AO 2021 SF - 3/10
AO 2021 F - 5/10
FO 2021 SF - 9/10
FO 2021 F - 7/10
WB 2021 SF - 6/10
WB 2021 F - 4/10
WB 2022 SF - 2/10 (LOL and that's being generous)
WB 2022 F - 4/10
AO 2023 SF - 3/10
AO 2023 F - 5/10

All-in-all average-to low level dominates so far. I hope for more of at least 7/10 tier semi-finals and finals for Novak in the future... He needs to prove weak era arguments BS wrong!
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
AO 2020 SF - 6/10
AO 2020 F - 7/10
AO 2021 SF - 3/10
AO 2021 F - 5/10
FO 2021 SF - 9/10
FO 2021 F - 7/10
WB 2021 SF - 6/10
WB 2021 F - 4/10
WB 2022 SF - 2/10 (LOL and that's being generous)
WB 2022 F - 4/10
AO 2023 SF - 3/10
AO 2023 F - 5/10

All-in-all average-to low level dominates, i hope for more of at least 7/10 tier semi-finals and finals for Novak in the future! He needs to prove weak era arguments BS wrong!...
Lmao.
 
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Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame

Any version of Nadal at RG is a sudden spike in difficulty no matter the result! The match could go either way, including the distance if that third set tie-break was won by Nadal, instead of Novak...if playing Nadal in the semi-final of Roland Garros and beating him (regardless of how healthy he is) isn't the biggest challenge in the sport, then i dunno what is...
 
Overall, some of the weakest Slams of the Open Era history minus AO 20 and RG 21. Sad times. Not that Djokovic doesn’t deserve them, but that no one could even offer actual resistance. On the other hand, a bettor’s paradise. AO 23 was about the ideal, least stressful, no sweat bet I have ever placed in my entire life.
You weren't worried about Djoko's hamstring being a problem? :)
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
lol wtf are you on about he beat Nadal twice at RG and Federer 3 times at Wimbledon... that's from 2014+ one of the darkest ages in the open era and both Federer and Nadal heavily declined :-D

During the strong era he had one chance against Nadal at RG in 2013 but ultimately failed... just like Nadal failed to beat him at AO12...

He also got dealt with rather comfortably by Federer at WIM12...

But the fact is in the strong era, Djok only able to have 12 months of dominance... without that... it was one slam per season and he was lucky to win those too... Nadal sitter bh away from stopping him in AO12, Stan bs line call away from stopping him in AO13... heck, even 33 year old Roger almost beat him in WIM14 ..

So apart from that 2011 season, he was reduced to winning one slam per year... I guarantee you that wouldn't have been the case if his sf + f opponents were the calibre of Norrie + Kyrgios or Shapovalov + Berrettini or Paul + Tsitsipas :-D :-D :-D he would have easily had multiple slam seasons every year

Lol you'd have to be on some pretty hard drugs to think otherwise...


Just ask yourself... Djokovic beat Federer and Nadal in all 4 Slams. Why couldn't Federer beat Nadal in RG? Why could he only beat Djokovic in AO when he was a 19yo rookie ranked outside of the top-10? Why couldn't Nadal defeat Djokovic at the Australian Open or in Wimbledon? If Fedal are so much better than Djokovic, why did they fail again and again and again in that quest?

How did Djokovic beat Nadal in every Masters1000 (at least twice on every clay masters) but Nadal systematically failed in Miami, Cincinnati and Paris? Monaco is literally Djokovic's worst Masters and he still grinded the Spanish TWICE there. Why wasn't Nadal able to do the same in Paris, his least successful Masters??? Why??????

I am done debating this here... If you are unconvinced, look at Djokovic, Nadal and Federer's career stats against the other big-3, top-5 and top-10. Any rational tennis fan will admit that Djokovic has the best stats EVERYWHERE.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas


How would you rank the levels of these opponents from highest-to-lowest?


I think other than Thiem being the highest, it's pretty hazy.

6/10
8.5/10
7/10
7/10
9/10
9/10
8/10
7.5/10
7/10
8.5/10
7/10
7.5/10

All in all super tough tough opponents. Beat peakest of peak Nadal at chatrier, had some of the highest level opponents in Medvedev, Tsitsipas etc. Then some outliers such as Karatsev, Norrie who were VERY tricky opponents.

Djokovic is unbelieveable doing this at mid 30s against these guys.
 

Curtennis

Hall of Fame
It’s one thing to rate that opponent in the matches leading up to the (semi)final, another to rate them during match. A lot of people are going to look a lot worse when up against the ultimate retriever.
 

LaVie en Rose

Hall of Fame
Sadly they never met at Shanghai Masters where by coincidence Djokovic is title record holder.Shanghai Masters is only big event from Slams, Masters, national competition DC, ATP Cup they didn't met . And it seems it will stay that way
Just ask yourself... Djokovic beat Federer and Nadal in all 4 Slams. Why couldn't Federer beat Nadal in RG? Why could he only beat Djokovic in AO when he was a 19yo rookie ranked outside of the top-10? Why couldn't Nadal defeat Djokovic at the Australian Open or in Wimbledon? If Fedal are so much better than Djokovic, why did they fail again and again and again in that quest?

How did Djokovic beat Nadal in every Masters1000 (at least twice on every clay masters) but Nadal systematically failed in Miami, Cincinnati and Paris? Monaco is literally Djokovic's worst Masters and he still grinded the Spanish TWICE there. Why wasn't Nadal able to do the same in Paris, his least successful Masters??? Why??????

I am done debating this here... If you are unconvinced, look at Djokovic, Nadal and Federer's career stats against the other big-3, top-5 and top-10. Any rational tennis fan will admit that Djokovic has the best stats EVERYWHERE.
Like I said in other threads, Djokovic lives in Vamos clown boys mind rent free. They are constantly worried about djokovic, his acheivements, his opponents, his underwear color ...pls move on.
This OP in particular. Along with few others seems not having any life outside of Djokovic obsession. Jeez
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Any version of Nadal at RG is a sudden spike in difficulty no matter the result! The match could go either way, including the distance if that third set tie-break was won by Nadal, instead of Novak...if playing Nadal in the semi-final of Roland Garros and beating him (regardless of how healthy he is) isn't the biggest challenge in the sport, then i dunno what is...
To begin with, the match was played in DO conditions, not RG. Also, it's not like Nadal can't be in bad form or something. He was physically done in the fourth set. Or only Djokovic can be in bad form?
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas


How would you rank the levels of these opponents from highest-to-lowest?


I think other than Thiem being the highest, it's pretty hazy.
Some of the levels were pretty good.
2020 - Thiem
2021 - Tsispitas

Though Novak won the last 2 sets in both cases, he had to bring out his best to do it.

The below players played best to their abilities but djoker exploits their weakness
21 - Matteo
22 - Kyrgios

Honorable mentions
21 - Nadal played with pain
21 - Medvedev had the potential. started well but vanished after 10 games
 

Curtennis

Hall of Fame
So what does Djokovic have to prove then? In the "strong era" he beat Federer, Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka multiple times in Slams. He beat Nadal twice in RG and Federer 3 times in Wimbledon. Beat both Federer and Nadal in all 4 Slams (the same can't be said about Federer and Nadal...) Beat Murray in 5 different AO finals during the "strong era". No one had to beat more members of the Big-4 in Slams.

What's wrong if all those players from the "strong era" are either retired or done, now? It's Djokovic's fault that he is still the best? Poor girl, you just don't get it do you?
What you’re not getting is that you’re conversing with pure haters who have no use for logic. Everything you just listed makes him the clear greatest.
 

InsuranceMan

Hall of Fame
6/10
8.5/10
7/10
7/10
9/10
9/10
8/10
7.5/10
7/10
8.5/10
7/10
7.5/10

All in all super tough tough opponents. Beat peakest of peak Nadal at chatrier, had some of the highest level opponents in Medvedev, Tsitsipas etc. Then some outliers such as Karatsev, Norrie who were VERY tricky opponents.

Djokovic is unbelieveable doing this at mid 30s against these guys.
Please meet with your health professional at your earliest convenience. Thoughts and prayers
 

ND-13

Legend
Based on this, I expect a Cam Norrie vs Novak final at Wimbledon and Tiafoe or Korda vs Novak at USO

Circle of life would be complete
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas


How would you rank the levels of these opponents from highest-to-lowest?


I think other than Thiem being the highest, it's pretty hazy.
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer - 3/10 (obviously injured)
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem - 6/10 (mental walkabouts in sets 4 & 5)
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev - 3/10 (lol)
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev - 4/10 (huge collapse after all that hype)
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal - 6/10 (no BH and legs gave up after 3 hours)
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 5/10 (pathetic last 3 sets with 0 break points and only one deuce game on Djokovic serve)
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov - 4/10 (same story whole match, shanks on every big point)
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini - 3/10 (lol how did this guy even won set1?)
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie - 3/10 (same question, how??
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios - 5.5/10 (great serving which matters on grass, but pathetic clutch play)
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul - 3/10 (welcome to atp 250)
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas - 4/10 (what's the point of being the most clutch player on break points if you're not maintaining it when it matters? And also, how about that best FH on tour leaking errors after errors?)
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Don't know what irrelevant stats you bring here, but Kyrgios was the same in these matches. Servebotting and losing from the baseline.

Yes, accounts of which tennis players win the most points in tennis matches are "irrelevant." What matters more are arbitrary declarations of sameness by forum users who have yet to demonstrate halfway decent observational skills. Obviously :giggle:
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Just ask yourself... Djokovic beat Federer and Nadal in all 4 Slams. Why couldn't Federer beat Nadal in RG? Why could he only beat Djokovic in AO when he was a 19yo rookie ranked outside of the top-10? Why couldn't Nadal defeat Djokovic at the Australian Open or in Wimbledon? If Fedal are so much better than Djokovic, why did they fail again and again and again in that quest?

How did Djokovic beat Nadal in every Masters1000 (at least twice on every clay masters) but Nadal systematically failed in Miami, Cincinnati and Paris? Monaco is literally Djokovic's worst Masters and he still grinded the Spanish TWICE there. Why wasn't Nadal able to do the same in Paris, his least successful Masters??? Why??????

I am done debating this here... If you are unconvinced, look at Djokovic, Nadal and Federer's career stats against the other big-3, top-5 and top-10. Any rational tennis fan will admit that Djokovic has the best stats EVERYWHERE.

Nadal did defeat Djokovic at Wimbledon so that already smashes your stupid question out of the park...

Federer couldn't beat Nadal because he was running into far greater versions of Nadal at RG than Djok did in 2015 and 2021... it's not even close. Put 2015 or 2021 Nadal in front of 2006 Federer and he would have beat him as well.

Yeah you are done debating all right... because you haven't got a clue what you're on about...
 
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DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal did defeat Djokovic at Wimbledon so that already smashes your stupid question out of the park...

Federer couldn't beat Nadal because he was running into far greater versions of Nadal at RG than Djok did in 2015 and 2021... it's not even close. Put 2015 or 2021 Nadal in from of 2006 Federer and he would have beat him as well.

Yeah you are done debating all right... because you haven't got a clue what you're on about...
The ********** have the nerve to call the 2015 version of the Spanish player "peak Nadal".
:laughing:
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
There’s an interesting phenomenon I’ve noticed seeing him play such overmatched mugs. Even those who were rooting for Rublev or Tsitsipas or Norrie or whoever eventually get so mad at them for sucking that they flip and actually begin cheering for Djokovic to embarrass them. Lol. That’s what these matches have done to fans

Your last line -

"Thats what these matches have done to fed fans and Nadal fans ".

They are in ruins. :-D
 

PerilousPear

Professional
The ********** have the nerve to call the 2015 version of the Spanish player "peak Nadal".
:laughing:

And likewise Nadal fans act like a win against 2010 Djokovic, his second-worst season after he became a top 10 player in 2007, has merit.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
And likewise Nadal fans act like a win against 2010 Djokovic, his second-worst season after he became a top 10 player in 2007, has merit.
Are you comparing Djokovic, who played a GS final defeating prime Federer in the process, to Nadal, who was humiliated in his fetish tournament against Joker himself?
:oops:
 
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