Sheesh who is Aslan Karatsev?
Rank the level of Novak Djokovic's SF/F opponents in slam wins since 2020
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DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
PerilousPear
Professional
Are you comparing Djokovic, who played a GS final defeating prime Federer in the process, to Nadal, who was humiliated in his fetish tournament against Joker himself?
His lone top 10 win until November and his lone Big title final of the season. No masters finals at all lol. Definitely the sign Djokovic was peak.
He lost in his pet tournament too. And while Nadal lost to 2015 Djokovic who had one of the greatest seasons ever, Djokovic lost the AO to Tsonga.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah that'll happen when a servebot only plays in favorable conditions and has the Wimbledon mug draw of the century
Shangri La
Hall of Fame
Apparently he had a cakewalk draw in 21 RG SF and final, especially SF. He just played poorly to make the matches appeared to be competitive.
But he was so good that even with a sloppy performance, he was still able to take the title.
But he was so good that even with a sloppy performance, he was still able to take the title.
Nadal_Django
Legend
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal 10/10
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem 9/10
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas 9/10
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios 9/10
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas 8/10
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini 7.5/10
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer 7/10
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev 7/10
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov 7/10
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev 6/10
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul 5/10
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie 3/10
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Like I've helped you with before, it's harder to gain traction when you're this obvious
sometennisdot
Professional
2020 AO SF - 4/10
2020 AO F - 6/10
2021 AO SF - 2/10
2021 AO F - 4/10 considering his level in the final
2021 RG SF - Injured Nadal, 5/10
2021 RG F - With that mentality 4/10
2021 WB SF - 4/10
2021 WB F - 4/10
2022 WB SF - 1/10
2022 WB F - 5/10
2023 AO SF - 1/10
2023 AO F - 2/10
jl809
Legend
This was me 10000% at Wimbledon 2022, I can't decide if I was more angry with Fritz for not targeting Nadal's BH when he was injured or Norrie for his absolutely dire, woeful volleying. Ended up desperately rooting for wins for Djokodal
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Wimbledon- Shapo, Berretini, Norrie, Kyrgios. You literally can’t make this up.
jl809
Legend
Nadal's since US Open '19:
2019 USO SF - Matteo Berrettini 4.5
2019 USO F - Daniil Medvedev 7.25
2020 RG SF - Diego Schwartzman 4.5
2020 RG F - Novak Djokovic 5.5
2022 AO SF - Matteo Berrettini 5
2022 AO F - Daniil Medvedev 6.5 overall (8.5 in set 1)
2022 RG SF - Alexander Zverev 5.75 (loses marks for the mental muggery)
2022 RG F - Casper Ruud 4
embarassing . i dont think youre a djokovic fan, just a troll who says outrageous things to try gain a reaction/attention
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The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Wimbledon- Shapo, Berretini, Norrie, Kyrgios. You literally can’t make this up.
Not only that...
2019 he got RBA while Federer had to play Nadal...
2018 he got to play Nishikori while Nadal had to play 5 hours v red hot Delpo... oh and he got a closed roof too
TheNachoMan
Legend
RBA has been better on grass than Nadal post 2011.Not only that...
2019 he got RBA while Federer had to play Nadal...
2018 he got to play Nishikori while Nadal had to play 5 hours v red hot Delpo... oh and he got a closed roof too
His lucky with avoiding his tough opponents and lucky draws since 2015 has been insane... all his best rivals taken out by injury or constantly opposite side of draw.Not only that...
2019 he got RBA while Federer had to play Nadal...
2018 he got to play Nishikori while Nadal had to play 5 hours v red hot Delpo... oh and he got a closed roof too
jl809
Legend
I didn't know RBA made 3 Wimbledon SFs since 2011
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
That is one of the great stupidities that I have read in a long time in this forum.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
How many times do you want to self pwn yourself on here?
RBA has made one Wimbledon sf in his career...
Post 2011 Nadal has made 3 Wimbledon semi finals...
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
It is all extremely hazy because unless you played against these players in those matches you likely have only a glimpse of how hard or easy it was to play against them. Watching from the stands or your living room is not always going to tell you what it was like on the court. This might be a good question for Djokovic but it is hard to see how we should care about anyone else's answers.
But go ahead and do your rating of these player's tennis abilities in these matches if it scratches some itch you have.
TheNachoMan
Legend
I didn't know RBA made 3 Wimbledon SFs since 2011
That is one of the great stupidities that I have read in a long time in this forum.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Yep. And no doubt frog eyes sat with Djok camp to design the perfect AO draw for him this year so he can rid himself of the guilt he bestowed upon himself last year...
I mean what are the odds that literally all threats are in the other side of the draw?
The only guy who could have realistically stood a chance against him was what a 19 year old Holger Rune? but it's ok, frog eyes made sure he'd play Rublev in the blistering heat so Djok could pound on De Minaur in the night session...
Nadal_Django
Legend
Nadal is barely a top 10 grass player post 2011 in all honesty.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Just be happy that Nadal won AO last year when Novak was deported.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Nadal is barely a top 10 grass player post 2011 in all honesty.
Your honesty is about as valuable as snake oil...
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
A player who has reached three semi-finals in his last three appearances there completely belies your bold and rather incorrect statement.Nadal is barely a top 10 grass player post 2011 in all honesty.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
I am happy about that don't you worry...
And he did it with a much tougher draw than Noleg had this year too...
TheNachoMan
Legend
You’d be complaining if Novak had Rafa’s 2022 draw too. Berr in the semis? Complained about him when Novak won wimbledon against him. Med in the final? complained about him when Novak won the previous year against him. Shapo in the QF? Complained about him when Novak beat him at wimbledon..
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Welcome back @TheNachoMan. Let them have it. LOL
Nadal_Django
Legend
Purely result wise, Raonic, Cilic, Berrettini, Anderson and Krygios much more successful than Nadal. Not to mention the big grass sharks of the last decade Djokovic, Federer and Murray. So that leaves Nadal where exactly!? Number #9!? Yeah that's about it. Barely Top 10 post 2011 like I've said.A player who has reached three semi-finals in his last three appearances there completely belies your bold and rather incorrect statement.
TheNachoMan
Legend
I will accept the “Novak has weak draws” talk from the Fed fans, but Nadal fans can’t talk. They‘ve had pretty much near identical draws over the past few years.
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Deleted member 779124
Guest
I don’t like weak era arguments in every context but if such a thing happened Nadal has won a lot even if less as well but recently seems to be getting lots of freebies of late compared to Nole.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
All the luck that Nadal has had over the years, they have nothing to complain about.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Yeah Nadal had Djok's WIM21 sf + f opponent one round earlier then had to beat the guy who smashed Djok in straights int he US Open final
Don't worry, I've complained about this whole era mate... despite the fact that Nadal has won 8 majors during it.
We all know why Djok couldn't start consistently dominating the tour until he turned 28 years old... the pathetic state of the field...
Not this nonsense that he keeps getting better hahahahaha what a JOKE...
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
If you tell me about grass (in general) I can accept it but if you reduce it to Wilmbledon (the jackpot) there I strongly disagree with you.Purely result wise, Raonic, Cilic, Berrettini, Anderson and Krygios much more successful than Nadal. Not to mention the big grass sharks of the last decade Djokovic, Federer and Murray. So that leaves Nadal where!? Number #9!? Yeah that's about it. Barely Top 10 post 2011 like I've said.
In addition, if we stick to the present, several of those players that you have mentioned are finished while you can still give Nadal one last chance to do something important in the All England Club.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Yeah he's lucky to be 21-11 v Fedovic...
Go cry about clay now... maybe if your boy was good enough to reach Nadal at Wimbledon from 06-10 we all would have seen Nadal dominate him there too... just like he did at RG and the US Open...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Nadal has never consistently dominated the tour...at any age. LolYeah Nadal had Djok's WIM21 sf + f opponent one round earlier then had to beat the guy who smashed Djok in straights int he US Open final
Don't worry, I've complained about this whole era mate... despite the fact that Nadal has won 8 majors during it.
We all know why Djok couldn't start consistently dominating the tour until he turned 28 years old... the pathetic state of the field...
Not this nonsense that he keeps getting better hahahahaha what a JOKE...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
32 matches you're counting there where 16 (half) happened at RG. Last time I checked, there are 4 Slams.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
By luck you mean facing prime/peak Federer in Wimbledon finals, instead of 2014-2015 Federer? Or facing Kyrgios in the second round of a slam instead of a final?
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Nadal had to deal with the toughest era during his prime as well as real injuries... not that fake Noleg crap that we just saw...
Had he not had knee issues in 2009 and 2012, Djok would still be trying to catch him in the slam race.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He was unlucky to lose 4 times to players in early rounds whose rankings were in the triple digits as well? Poor unlucky Nadal...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
OR...I mean this is just a theory...I mean maybe a little controversial but...he's not as good as Djokovic! How many ATP finals does he have and how many fall seasons has he dominated again?
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal skipped more than 4 years of his career. He had real injuries, not magic injuries which would make him play better. Not to mention RG being turned into DO. Imagine the complaining if AO changed its surface to clay.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Exactly cry about clay like I knew you would...
Why didn't Djok reach Nadal at Wimbledon more than once from 06-10? I mean, he is Sampras level grass god... what happened? Couldn't beat Ancic, Safin and Berdych?
I love it when you guys get so desperate to throw the "Huh but RG" card... like it's Nadal's fault Djok wasn't good enough to reach him at the following:
WIM06, 08, 10 .. AO09, 14, 17, 22 .. US17, 19
That's another 9 matches lol most of those Nadal would have won too... no wonder he didn't turn up...
But yeah let's punish Nadal for being so good at RG that he's literally been the final boss there 14 times...
Nadal has two titles at the DO.
And as you yourself have continuously said, Nadal was injured and in horrible form for RG 21, so even if it was sunny he would’ve lost because of how injured he was.
The night conditions haven’t hurt Nadal results wise in any way. That is simply a fact.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I can't hear you over those violins.
