the draw should ideally be balanced so djokovic has to take his medicine and earn his slam wins... if he went through rune, sinner, kora, tsitipas then i tip my hat. he still played great but literally had 0 resistance. all the threats were injured (zverev/alcaraz/thiem) or lost early or opposite side of draw
Rank the level of Novak Djokovic's SF/F opponents in slam wins since 2020
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Well it's the truth. Keep throwing that skewed head to head around and I will keep bringing the facts. He's played Djokovic 10 times at RG and 8 times at the other 3 Slams combined. That's far too skewed and only Nadal fans want to deny it.Exactly cry about clay like I knew you would...
Why didn't Djok reach Nadal at Wimbledon more than once from 06-10? I mean, he is Sampras level grass god... what happened? Couldn't beat Ancic, Safin and Berdych?
I love it when you guys get so desperate to throw the "Huh but RG" card... like it's Nadal's fault Djok wasn't good enough to reach him at the following:
WIM06, 08, 10 .. AO09, 14, 17, 22 .. US17, 19
That's another 9 matches lol most of those Nadal would have won too... no wonder he didn't turn up...
But yeah let's punish Nadal for being so good at RG that he's literally been the final boss there 14 times...
Irrelevant. So tennis stopped when Djokovic was 23 and Nadal was 24? Djokovic saw him in 2011 when they were 24 and 25 and what happened?
You don't have even one leg to stand on. Give it up mate. You're done.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Pffft.
During the strong era Nadal won a career slam beating Fed and Djok when they were in their prime ranked top 2...
AO09: def Federer #2
RG12: def Djok #1
WIM08: def Federer #1
US13: def Djok #1
Djok never beat those level of opponents in slam finals and he's been booted out in straights in slam finals v non big 3 multiple times...
Furthermore, even after 2011 he could only win 1 slam per season and those were lucky too... Nadal missing a sitter bh pass in AO12 final, Stan getting screwed by bs line call in AO13, struggling v 33 year old Federer in WIM14...
He needed to wait until he was 28 and for Nadal to be heavily declined and Federer to be 33+ before he could start racking up more seasons with multiple slams.. even then Wawrinka was too much for him to handle
You damn right it's controversial...
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
It skewed because Djok wasn't good enough to reach him in the other slams as I listed for you...
And if he did, Nadal would have won most of those anyway...
What happened in 2011 was Djok escaped out of the suitcase... all good, Nadal put him back in there by winning the next 4 slam matches after AO12.
Tennis didn't just stop... it just got pretty bad and kept getting worse...
You wish I'd give it up, you should know by now that's not gonna happen.
And please don't tell me I have "Noleg"
StannisTheMannis
Hall of Fame
The desperation continues to grow. There is no amount of salty threads you people can come up with that will halt Novaks ascent
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Oh please, both have 22 Slams and both have beaten 43 top 10 players to win them while Djokovic has beaten 29 top 5 and Nadal has beaten 27 top 5. Nadal isn't even ahead here.Pffft.
During the strong era Nadal won a career slam beating Fed and Djok when they were in their prime ranked top 2...
AO09: def Federer #2
RG12: def Djok #1
WIM08: def Federer #1
US13: def Djok #1
Djok never beat those level of opponents in slam finals and he's been booted out in straights in slam finals v non big 3 multiple times...
Furthermore, even after 2011 he could only win 1 slam per season and those were lucky too... Nadal missing a sitter bh pass in AO12 final, Stan getting screwed by bs line call in AO13, struggling v 33 year old Federer in WIM14...
He needed to wait until he was 28 and for Nadal to be heavily declined and Federer to be 33+ before he could start racking up more seasons with multiple slams.. even then Wawrinka was too much for him to handle
You damn right it's controversial...
You're coping and it's pathetic. Djokovic is closing in on having won 60 more matches against the top 10 in his career and already won 22 more matches against top 5 while having played less career matches than Nadal, but you’re trying this weak era argument which falls flat.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Complete fabrication and makes zero sense. Djokovic has won 9 Slams off clay since 2018 and Nadal has only played him twice. Nadal has won 4 RGs since 2018 and Djokovic has played Nadal 3 times.It skewed because Djok wasn't good enough to reach him in the other slams as I listed for you...
And if he did, Nadal would have won most of those anyway...
What happened in 2011 was Djok escaped out of the suitcase... all good, Nadal put him back in there by winning the next 4 slam matches after AO12.
Tennis didn't just stop... it just got pretty bad and kept getting worse...
You wish I'd give it up, you should know by now that's not gonna happen.
And please don't tell me I have "Noleg"
daggerman
Hall of Fame
But you're just giving hypothetical reasons why the numbers might not be meaningful. You haven't actually shown that the numbers aren't meaningful.
Stop doing that lol. Make some real points. "Servebot only played in favorable conditions" isn't one unless you have the data to back it up.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Sir Andrew Barron Murray says Good Evening.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Kyrgios couldn't wait to post selfies from the post match dinner Novak had suggested. Unfortunately for Nicky, it was just a Jedi trick.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
must respect good trolling when I see it
Nadal’s defense and ability to slicebot Djokovic is better in the night conditions than the day time
Felix was servebotting his ass off and hitting through Nadal during the daytime but then Novak couldn’t hit through the court at all at night
Unironically believe Nadal is better purposed to play Djokovic at night than daytime at RG
mike danny
Bionic Poster
That anyone else being....Norrie?
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Djok's top 10 wins consist mostly of Twitter gen... this is a fact since he won vast majority of his Slams after turning 28...
********* like you only concerned with numbers like as if anyone is going to put a win over top5 Tsitsipas level with a win over fellow big 3...
The only coping going on is from you because you can't handle the truth...
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Exactly... post 2018... it's always since this, since that with you bots
I have listed 9 times where Djok didn't make it to Nadal at off clay slams...
So he's just as much to blame as Nadal for not having more meetings.
What we can do is go by their off clay slam meetings during their prime... 3 all... very close to 4-2 Nadal's way if he doesn't stuff up that bh pass...
Heck even WIM18 was a flip of the coin result despite the overwhelming advantages Djok had with the easier draw and closed roof...
All you can do is respond with complete nonsense and gibberish when you call what I said a fabrication when it's a well known fact Djok didn't reach Nadal 9 times in off clay slam encounters...
And if he did, Nadal would have won most of them too...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Dude keep living in some fantasy island where Djokovic doesn't have 20 Slams at AO, Wimbledon and USO yet Nadal only played him 8 times. Nadal has 14 at RG and Djokovic played him 10 times. Lol. Unbelievable that you think this is valid. Like I said...give it up, you're done.Exactly... post 2018... it's always since this, since that with you bots
I have listed 9 times where Djok didn't make it to Nadal at off clay slams...
So he's just as much to blame as Nadal for not having more meetings.
What we can do is go by their off clay slam meetings during their prime... 3 all... very close to 4-2 Nadal's way if he doesn't stuff up that bh pass...
Heck even WIM18 was a flip of the coin result despite the overwhelming advantages Djok had with the easier draw and closed roof...
All you can do is respond with complete nonsense and gibberish when you call what I said a fabrication when it's a well known fact Djok didn't reach Nadal 9 times in off clay slam encounters...
And if he did, Nadal would have won most of them too...
TheFifthSet
Legend
As I've kinda been saying on loop lately: forget about surface skew, if only to appease Nadal fans. Look at the pre-match odds, or who the favourite was according to form. Nadal has been the favourite in about 11 (minimum) to 13 (max) of their 18 slam matches. His 11-7 H2H edge is reflective of that. It neither hurts nor improves Djokovic's legacy. Of course the guy that is favoured in approximately 2/3rd's of the matches will lead the H2H. That's really not the flex Nadal fans think it is. If it was 9-9 (or worse), Rafa would have severely underachieved.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Good point but it's also not the flex they think it is if the guy keeps going into his backyard and on his turf to play him over and over yet come January, he can't seem to find Djokovic. Come July at Wimbledon, he's again more times than not nowhere to be found but let's boost up that 11-7 head to head at all costs because it's all we have.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Yeah 20 slams there because his competition has been a joke...
Expecting a heavily declined Nadal to keep meeting him is desperation at its finest...
Again, I listed the times Nadal was waiting for him, he wasn't good enough to make it.
But let's try and punish Nadal for being good enough to literally always make it to Djok at RG apart from the one time he pulled out injured..
You wish I give it up because you can't stand how I've exposed your idol badly...
Everyone knows he is massively inflating his slam count thanks to Shapo, Berry, Karatsev, Paul, Tsitsipas etc.
When the real competition was there he came up short.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
So, it's against Nadal to have been favourite during the strong era... oh boo hoo go cry under your sheets with the rest of the Djok bots
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
No one wants to hear that struggling symphony with those out of tune violins. 20 Slams and only 8 meetings. You say the competition was a joke but Djokovic was waiting for Nadal. Where was he??
joshuayuan
Professional
Rent free
How would you rank the butthurt after Nole winning his 22nd Slam title and regaining his world number 1 ranking ?
Subway Tennis
Legend
Agree. I don’t think the draw was rigged. All we needed was for it to shake out a little differently for the entertainment factor to go way up.
I guess the best situation would have been for Rune to beat Rublev and Korda to not have an injury that affected his level against Kachanov.
If Djokovic had to play through Rune as early as the QTRs that’s legit in my book.
Maybe Korda could have beaten Tsitsipas in the SF then we get a rematch of the intense Adelaide final with Korda vs Djok as the AO final.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
The same place Djok was when Nadal was waiting for him... except during the strong era where he would have beat him in majority of encounters..
Not my problem Djok wasn't as good as Nadal to make sure he meets him at his preferred slams...
The out of tune violins stem from Djok bots trying to use numbers obsessively to prove their hero is some mighty warrior when all he's done is pound on Twitter gen to pad up his resume..
TheFifthSet
Legend
Yes I sure have a lot to cry about this month.
Not following the tennis calendar, are we?it’s not “against” Nadal, nor were the circumstances surrounding the encounters unfair to Djokovic — they both suited up 18 times and Nadal won 11. But you have to live in lala land to think the circumstances didn’t influence the outcomes. It’s just common sense to think that Nadal would end up leading the slam H2H when 10 of the 18 matches occurred on his favourite surface, with several other ones thrown in when Djokovic was still on the come-up, in the midst of a funk or much further away from his peak (06/07 RG, 07 Wimby, 10 USO)…there have been a few of those that benefitted Djoko as well (15 RG, 19 AO) but, sorry to say, it doesn’t even out lol.
ShowStealer
Rookie
All of them are better than roddick
vex
Legend
AO’20: B-
AO’21: C+
RG’21: A-
W’21: F (worst slam ever)
W’22: D (Kyrgios balled out leading up to the final but his trademark “showing up for big matches” reputation disappeared when facing Djokovic in a match that meant something.)
AO’23: C-
TheFifthSet
Legend
Here’s a simple (and simplistic, but no more/less simplistic than taking H2H at face value) exercise: take each Major since ‘07 (when they both established themselves as top players) and try to determine who had the form advantage in each one, excluding events where one or both withdrew. Actual results in tournaments they did face off in are including as points for the winning player. Here’s what I got:
AO -
07 Inconclusive
08 Djokovic
09 Nadal
10 Djokovic
11 Djokovic
12 Djokovic
13 N/A
14 Djokovic
15 Djokovic
16 Djokovic
17 Nadal
18 Nadal
19 Djokovic
20 Djokovic
21 Djokovic
22 Djokovic
11-3-1 Djokovic
RG -
07 Nadal
08 Nadal
09 Nadal
10 Nadal
11 Inconclusive
12 Nadal
13 Nadal
14 Nadal
15 Djokovic
16 Inconclusive (being very generous here lol)
17 Nadal
18 Nadal
19 Nadal
20 Nadal
21 Djokovic
22 Nadal
13-2-2 Nadal
W -
07 Nadal
08 Nadal
09 N/A
10 Nadal
11 Djokovic
12 Djokovic
13 Djokovic
14 Djokovic
15 Djokovic
16 N/A
17 Inconclusive
18 Djokovic
19 Djokovic
20 N/A - Nadal catching a break here let’s be honest
21 Djokovic
22 Djokovic
9-3-1 Djokovic
USO -
07 Djokovic
08 Djokovic
09 Djokovic
10 Nadal
11 Djokovic
12 N/A
13 Nadal
14 N/A
15 Djokovic
16 Djokovic
17 N/A
18 Djokovic
19 Nadal
20 N/A
21 N/A
22 N/A
7-3 Djokovic
Total:
29-22–4 edge in form to Djokovic…and I think I was more than fair to Nadal.
An almost perfectly balanced 11-10-1 for Djokovic from 2008-2013, T_O’s favourite era.
This is, of course, in-line with the typical mental masturbation found on this forum and purposely ignores the relevant nuances (I.e some favourites are stronger than others), but it does enough to show how dumb it is to think their slam H2H determines much about their ability as players.
AO -
07 Inconclusive
08 Djokovic
09 Nadal
10 Djokovic
11 Djokovic
12 Djokovic
13 N/A
14 Djokovic
15 Djokovic
16 Djokovic
17 Nadal
18 Nadal
19 Djokovic
20 Djokovic
21 Djokovic
22 Djokovic
11-3-1 Djokovic
RG -
07 Nadal
08 Nadal
09 Nadal
10 Nadal
11 Inconclusive
12 Nadal
13 Nadal
14 Nadal
15 Djokovic
16 Inconclusive (being very generous here lol)
17 Nadal
18 Nadal
19 Nadal
20 Nadal
21 Djokovic
22 Nadal
13-2-2 Nadal
W -
07 Nadal
08 Nadal
09 N/A
10 Nadal
11 Djokovic
12 Djokovic
13 Djokovic
14 Djokovic
15 Djokovic
16 N/A
17 Inconclusive
18 Djokovic
19 Djokovic
20 N/A - Nadal catching a break here let’s be honest
21 Djokovic
22 Djokovic
9-3-1 Djokovic
USO -
07 Djokovic
08 Djokovic
09 Djokovic
10 Nadal
11 Djokovic
12 N/A
13 Nadal
14 N/A
15 Djokovic
16 Djokovic
17 N/A
18 Djokovic
19 Nadal
20 N/A
21 N/A
22 N/A
7-3 Djokovic
Total:
29-22–4 edge in form to Djokovic…and I think I was more than fair to Nadal.
An almost perfectly balanced 11-10-1 for Djokovic from 2008-2013, T_O’s favourite era.
This is, of course, in-line with the typical mental masturbation found on this forum and purposely ignores the relevant nuances (I.e some favourites are stronger than others), but it does enough to show how dumb it is to think their slam H2H determines much about their ability as players.
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Now we do this exact form-based analysis year over year by age and start the debate that breaks TTW.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Not sure mere mortals like me would have the stomach for it
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
2020 AO SF - Roger Federer- 4/10
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem-7/10
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev-4/10
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev-4/10
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal-6/10
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas-5/10
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov-4/10
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini-6/10
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie-3/10
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios-6/10
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul-2/10
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas-4/10
2020 AO F - Dominic Thiem-7/10
2021 AO SF - Aslan Karatsev-4/10
2021 AO F - Daniil Medvedev-4/10
2021 RG SF - Rafael Nadal-6/10
2021 RG F - Stefanos Tsitsipas-5/10
2021 W SF - Denis Shapovalov-4/10
2021 W F - Matteo Berrettini-6/10
2022 W SF - Cam Norrie-3/10
2022 W F - Nick Kyrgios-6/10
2023 AO SF - Tommy Paul-2/10
2023 AO F - Stefanos Tsitsipas-4/10
User living upto the username. Checks out
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
What would have happened if Joker got Korda instead of Dimitrov in the third round and Sinner instead of De Minaur in the round of 16, don't you think that would have been a more difficult draw for the Serbian player?
Subway Tennis
Legend
What would have happened if Joker got Korda instead of Dimitrov in the third round and Sinner instead of De Minaur in the round of 16, don't you think that would have been a more difficult draw for the Serbian player?
I think both of those guys would ruffle the feathers of the falcon and possibly cause some big problems for sure, particularly if they played him that early in the event.
The issue with Korda is particularly sad. In great form in the leadup, played great tennis early at AO and then succumbed to a shocking wrist injury. I hope it’s not a serious wrist injury, absolutely love the way he plays and also his demeanour on the court.
tennis_error
Professional
Level is subjective to rank... But thanks for listing those...
SO MANY WINS... GOAT...
RS
Bionic Poster
AO 2005 - Nadal
RG 2005 - Nadal
Wim 2005 - who cares
USO 2005 - Nadal or who cares
AO 2006 - who cares
RG 2006 - Nadal
Wim 2006 - Nadal
USO 2006 - who cares
Wim 2017 - Nadal
AO 2022 - Djok kinda at fault here
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The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Yes I sure have a lot to cry about this month.
it’s not “against” Nadal, nor were the circumstances surrounding the encounters unfair to Djokovic — they both suited up 18 times and Nadal won 11. But you have to live in lala land to think the circumstances didn’t influence the outcomes. It’s just common sense to think that Nadal would end up leading the slam H2H when 10 of the 18 matches occurred on his favourite surface, with several other ones thrown in when Djokovic was still on the come-up, in the midst of a funk or much further away from his peak (06/07 RG, 07 Wimby, 10 USO)…there have been a few of those that benefitted Djoko as well (15 RG, 19 AO) but, sorry to say, it doesn’t even out lol.
Yeah true, 35 year old Djok would have stood much better chance against Nadal at US10...
Like I keep saying, Nadal was waiting for him 9 times at off clay slams... not my problem Djok wasn't good enough to reach him...
If he did, he would have suffered many more losses to Rafa outside RG anyway...
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
The only thing this determines is your opinion...
I'd bet if Nadal didn't reach Djok at US13 for example, you'd put him down as a loss to Djok there too...
The reality is from 08-13 Nadal won more majors, more masters, more YE#1, better h2h etc... even if you take out 2010 which was a relatively weaker year. Yet somehow you have Djok leading a fantasy h2h at the slams from 08-13 hahahaha laughable
i wanna see djokovic earn his slams battling the best younger players. 23 ao draw completely sucked an fell apart. hoping rg and wimbledon will be better with nadal coming back into form
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Let’s be honest. Rune couldn’t even beat rublev. Who then Djokovic destroyed. It’s his fault he couldn’t make it and likely wouldn’t have threatened Novak much in AO in that form. Sinner couldn’t beat tsitsipas who Djokovic beat in 3. Even having them back to back wouldn’t make much difference.
Thiem was destroyed by rublev so Lol! Korda got beat by KK and 1 run at Adelaide wouldn’t have worried Novak much.
The only threat may have been alcaraz if he was fit. I will give you alcaraz but the rest it wouldn’t matter if he had to face them or in a row.
D
Deleted member 779124
Guest
A better argument to make is actually Nadal's injuries than one about Novak avoiding him when Novak has been more consistent overall.
TheFifthSet
Legend
AO 2005 - Nadal
RG 2005 - Nadal
Wim 2005 - who cares
USO 2005 - Nadal or who cares
AO 2006 - who cares
RG 2006 - Nadal
Wim 2006 - Nadal
USO 2006 - who cares
Wim 2017 - Nadal
AO 2022 - Djok kinda at fault here
Mostly fair, figured I'd start when both were contenders but that penalizes Nadal who's tacked on a couple more good years.
If we're giving Wimby 17 to Rafa then RG 16 has gotta go to Djoko lol. Felt like I was being generous there by calling both even as the gap in the latter was bigger and Djoko was sporting a three-match win streak over Nadal on clay and wasn't any worse in the CC season, then ended up winning the event. Nadal also didn't play AO 06, though probably would've been on the shortlist of favourites had he done so.
Djoko was a bit better at USO ‘05 in terms of results, a convincing 4-set win other Ancic seals it but doesn’t necessarily mean he’d beat Nadal. That’s inconclusive at best for Nadal, and maybe shades in Djokovic’s favour.
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TheFifthSet
Legend
So what are all the ones you disagree with champ? Feel free to chip in with your own slam-by-slam assessment! Instead of throwing hen pecks from the sidelines.
Nadal was clearly the better outdoor HC player on the year and beat Djoko a few weeks prior. Yes, it would have been a tough match to call in real time...but what about RG 21? No doubt you'd have pencilled it in as a loss to Nadal there for Djoko considering he was riding a five-match losing streak to Nadal on clay. Same goes for W 11...Rafa had a 20-match Wimby win streak going into the final, so that's another one that would be tough to call in real time. I'm sure you'd have given the hypo-match to Nadal if Djoko lost before the final lol. I'd say it evens out in that regard.
Nadal was at prime-peak form for that entire six year period (I'd include '07, but as Fed won three majors that year I could see why Rafans want to be stingy), so how exactly is that surprising? Djokovic was in Martinville from 2009-10 and not quite at his peak in 08 either. Of course if you take a GOAT contender at his peak you'd expect him to trample over the other contenders unless there's a perfect overlap in prime, which there wasn't.
Even so, Djokovic was a respectable 15-16 against him in that time.
No? Not that I'd advocate doing so, but take out 2010 and Djokovic has the narrow H2H advantage, they're tied in Masters, YE #1's, Djoko leads 3-0 in YEC's and Nadal has a one-slam edge. Again I see no reason why we'd exclude it, but try to be a bit more precise with your statements mmkay?
Again you can feel free to opine on which ones you disagree with:
AO -
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Nadal
2010 - Djokovic
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - N/A
RG -
2008 - Nadal
2009 - Nadal
2010 - Nadal
2011 - Inconclusive
2012 - Nadal
2013 - Nadal
W -
2008 - Nadal
2009 - N/A
2010 - Nadal
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - Djokovic
USO -
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Djokovic
2010 - Nadal
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - N/A
2013 - Nadal
Anyway, I rushed and miscounted the first time, it's 10-10-1. Not too bad given that it's Nadal's literal best six year period...and that's just in slams they both competed in.
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weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
So what are all the ones you disagree with champ? Feel free to chip in with your own slam-by-slam assessment! Instead of throwing hen pecks from the sidelines.
Nadal was clearly the better outdoor HC player on the year and beat Djoko a few weeks prior. Yes, it would have been a tough match to call in real time...but what about RG 21? No doubt you'd have pencilled it in as a loss to Nadal there for Djoko considering he was riding a five-match losing streak to Nadal on clay. Same goes for W 11...Rafa had a 20-match Wimby win streak going into the final, so that's another one that would be tough to call in real time. I'm sure you'd have given the hypo-match to Nadal if Djoko lost before the final lol. I'd say it evens out in that regard.
Nadal was at prime-peak form for that entire six year period (I'd include '07, but as Fed won three majors that year I could see why Rafans want to be stingy), so how exactly is that surprising? Djokovic was in Martinville from 2009-10 and not quite at his peak in 08 either. Of course if you take a GOAT contender at his peak you'd expect him to trample over the other contenders unless there's a perfect overlap in prime, which there wasn't.
Even so, Djokovic was a respectable 15-16 against him in that time.
No? Not that I'd advocate doing so, but take out 2010 and Djokovic has the narrow H2H advantage, they're tied in Masters, YE #1's, Djoko leads 3-0 in YEC's and Nadal has a one-slam edge. Again I see no reason why we'd exclude it, but try to be a bit more precise with your statements mmkay?
Again you can feel free to opine on which ones you disagree with:
AO -
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Nadal
2010 - Djokovic
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - N/A
RG -
2008 - Nadal
2009 - Nadal
2010 - Nadal
2011 - Inconclusive
2012 - Nadal
2013 - Nadal
W -
2008 - Nadal
2009 - N/A
2010 - Nadal
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - Djokovic
USO -
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Djokovic
2010 - Nadal
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - N/A
2013 - Nadal
Anyway, I rushed and miscounted the first time, it's 10-10-1. Not too bad given that it's Nadal's literal best six year period...and that's just in slams they both competed in.
If 2011 is inconclusive because Djokovic was at his clay peak, do you therefore concede that Federer defeated Djokovic at his clay peak, and thus Federer is superior to Djokovic on clay?
No mental gymnastics please
TheFifthSet
Legend
If 2011 is inconclusive because Djokovic was at his clay peak, do you therefore concede that Federer defeated Djokovic at his clay peak, and thus Federer is superior to Djokovic on clay?
No mental gymnastics please
I mean I'm a fan of both, so I ABSOLUTELY would not be opposed to entertaining the notion that Fed might have a higher clay peak. I'd say they're very close, especially on fast clay like '11 RG...hard to see how the quicker balls/sunny conditions didn't aid Fed and his serve a bit, and it was still a close match so I don't think it was the best approximation of how a peak match would go btwn them on RG in normal conditions. The quicker clay is a big reason Nadal would've had his hands full against Djokovic that year. I think people tend to read way too much into single matches without examining match-ups, conditions or acknowledging the role of variance...but yes that's certainly one data point in favour of Fed.
Lol @ what amounted to arguably the worst "gotcha" attempt I've ever witnessed on this forum.
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