IW & Miami (slam BO3) are Master 1500
Rome (the history) is Master 1200 or 1300
Cincinnati & Canada (US Open warm up) are Master 1000
Monte Carlo & Madrid are Master .. 750
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Paris is a Master ... 500![]()
Interesting post.Monte Carlo has more history than Rome believe it or not! It actually goes back to the 19th Century whole Rome began in 1930 IIRC!![]()
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MC is 120, Cincy is 118 years old and Rome is 87 years. Bill Tilden was the first to win Rome.
Was Bill any good?![]()
Did I really put Canada under Shanghai? Ok, I will edit that. I did not realize.Canada below Shanghai? Really? That tourney just north of "The States" has a lot of history going back to when it was played on clay; Laver, Nastase, & Borg are winners! It actually goes back to the 19th century whereas Shanghai's new, more mercenary by just offering more money to hold a Masters event, and players usual spent by this time of the season! ;-(
Interesting post.
The two major no-slam tournaments have a different story.
1) Pre War I: Monte Carlo has some big winners (Wilding and Doherty Bros. 2), Rome don't exist.
2) Pre War I- late 70s: Monte Carlo falls into disrepair while Rome is a great tournament, almost comparable to the RG in the 70s.
3) Equation between the two tournaments.
IMHO
- Monte Carlo has an older history in Rome, as you rightly pointed out.
- Rome has a much higher peak recognized also in the USA but above all in Europe it was considered very close to two European slams.
- Monte Carlo now suffers a little because he is not oblivious. Or at least I think.
I also think it is very important that to Rome always played the women's tournament with champion winners who made the story.
Yeah agree. Barcelona should be a master9. Monte Carlo
10. Barcelona
1000%Yeah agree. Barcelona should be a master
I know some people think prestige means history but when your facility, attendance and money isn't there you're not very prestigious.
Indian Wells has the 2nd biggest stadium on the Masters circuit, wonderful accommodations, well attended and major competition. It's #1.
The worst is a battle between Canada & Madrid. Montreal significantly better than Toronto but still subpar for 1000 ranking points. But given better turnout and competition than Madrid it goes above. Paris often suffers for being so late in the year and recently a lot of lesser players winning it but facility is quite good.
1. Indian Wells
2. Miami
3. Rome
4. Cincinnati
5. Shanghai
6. Monte Carlo
7. Paris
8. Canada
9. Madrid