Rank the Masters in order of speed

[Michael Bluth]

I was curious as to how people would rank the Masters tournaments in order of speed. I know the general disctinctions(Clay MS slow, Indoor/Cinci/Toronto fast, IW/Miami slow) but I was wondering about how they would break down exactly.

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[CyBorg]

It's hard to do, because some surfaces seem to vary from year to year. Paris is one, for example. Used to be super-fast, but this time was slower than I was used to seeing.

Cincy is one that is consistently fast for a hardcourt. Canada is slower, but faster than IW/Miami.

 

[Vlad]

Fastest to slowest.

1. Madrid
2. Cincy
3. Paris
4. Montreal (odd years)
5. Miami
6. Toronto
7. Rome
8. Indian Wells
9. Monte Carlo
10. Hamburg

 

[Dan007]

Fastest to slowest.

1. Madrid
2. Cincy
3. Paris
4. Montreal (odd years)
5. Miami
6. Toronto
7. Rome
8. Indian Wells
9. Monte Carlo
10. Hamburg

Wait you're saying that Rome which is a clay court is faster than indian wells?

 

[Shaolin]

Fastest to slowest.

1. Madrid
2. Cincy
3. Paris
4. Montreal (odd years)
5. Miami
6. Toronto
7. Rome
8. Indian Wells
9. Monte Carlo
10. Hamburg

This is correct.

IW is really slow for a hardcourt. Rome is fast for a clay court.

 

[Vlad]

Wait you're saying that Rome which is a clay court is faster than indian wells?

Seems that way to me. Rome is pretty fast.

 

[vbranis]

^^True, I've played on the IW courts, and they are EXTREMELY slow and high-bouncing. Felt completely different from the other SoCal hard courts.

 

[edmondsm]

Madrid will be a clay masters next year right? Probably slow. And I'm assuming that Shanghai will be a fast indoor hardcourt.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Madrid will be a clay masters next year right? Probably slow. And I'm assuming that Shanghai will be a fast indoor hardcourt.

It will probably be faster than Rome because of the altitude. As for now...

1. Cincy
2. Madrid
3. Paris
4. Shanghai
5. Toronto
6. Indian Wells
7. Miami
8. Rome
9. Hamburg
10. Monte Carlo

 

[edmondsm]

It will probably be faster than Rome because of the altitude. As for now...

I always forget to factor in altitude. You know it plays a big roll when Sam Querrey is taking sets off Nadal on clay.

 

[Michael Bluth]

I don't think Cincy is faster than Madrid

 

[150mph_]

china is going to host a master's tournament too right?

 

[Nadal_Freak]

I don't think Cincy is faster than Madrid

Man you forgot how quick Cincy was then. Ivo Karlovic was doing well there. It was faster then Wimbledon and Queens imo. Fastest tournament of the year. The Madrid surface was actually pretty high bouncing but the altitude made it faster.

 

[Cyan]

Rome is really fast for a claycourt and not slow like Roland Garros. Sampras won Rome but never reached the final of Roland Garros....

 

[Michael Bluth]

Odd that Federer never won it then, and yet has won Hamburg four times.

 

[Michael Bluth]

And he's gotten to more finals at Monte Carlo than he has in Rome.

 

[roundiesee]

If I remember correctly, if he only had a bit of "luck", Federer might have won 2 Italian Opens- when he played that brilliant 5 setter with Nadal and had match points, and when he lost to Mantilla in a final he was expected to win.

 

[Gen]

I've been a frequent visitor to Madrid Masters and never seen it play so very fast. To me Paris is much faster. Haven't ever been to Indian Wells/Miami. On TV Miami looks faster. So
1. Cincy
2. Paris
3. Madrid
4. Shanghai
5. Toronto
6. Miami
7. Indian Wells
8. Rome
9. Hamburg
10. Monte Carlo

Has anybody seen any official info about it? ITF claim that they qualify all surfaces every year. Never saw any results though.