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Not quite complete. He did win the 2005 Madrid Masters (then an indoor hardcourt event) and made the finals of the WTF twice (2010 and 2013).
Rank the Number 1s by accomplishments.
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Not quite complete. He did win the 2005 Madrid Masters (then an indoor hardcourt event) and made the finals of the WTF twice (2010 and 2013).
Druss
Hall of Fame
Shouldn't career slams, OG gold and Masters be considered?
xFullCourtTenniSx
Hall of Fame
Idk. I just think it was unwarranted to just flame you because you didn't say "Laver".
Bukmeikara
Legend
Nadal should be ahead of Djokovic and Sampras by now:
1. Most Slams
2. More charisma in the eye of the public(personaly I like/liked Djokovic a lot more but in the last year or two he seems different)
3. His legendary aura is more bigger than the other two. #clay#10 MC,Barc,RG# Fedal+Djodal
As for the battle between Nole/Rafa vs Sampras: The first two have the benefit from the homogenization + big side favoritism from the ATP/ITF! But against them is the fact that the Big 4 members neutralise each other while Sampras in his peak had mostly Agassi and the later was absent for 2-3 years in that period. If you add young Becker, peak Lendl + wise Agassi, Pete probably wouldnt be that dominant. Also, as it seems his longevity would come short put next to Nole's and Nadal's one
1. Most Slams
2. More charisma in the eye of the public(personaly I like/liked Djokovic a lot more but in the last year or two he seems different)
3. His legendary aura is more bigger than the other two. #clay#10 MC,Barc,RG# Fedal+Djodal
As for the battle between Nole/Rafa vs Sampras: The first two have the benefit from the homogenization + big side favoritism from the ATP/ITF! But against them is the fact that the Big 4 members neutralise each other while Sampras in his peak had mostly Agassi and the later was absent for 2-3 years in that period. If you add young Becker, peak Lendl + wise Agassi, Pete probably wouldnt be that dominant. Also, as it seems his longevity would come short put next to Nole's and Nadal's one
deacsyoga
Banned
Hilarious when you were the one arguing anyone ranking Venus over Henin was crazy. Yet you are now going on about "useless clay". If clay is useless than Henin is light years behind Venus by that logic. Hypocrite exposed.
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Chadillac
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Hilarious when you were the one arguing anyone ranking Venus over Henin was crazy. Yet you are now going on about "useless clay". If clay is useless than Henin is light years behind Venus by that logic. Hypocrite exposed.
Mens tennis vs womens tennis... Clay is a fem surface meant for women
They had a rankings system during Laver's years. Based on points from actual play.
Laver was No. 1 for 1965, 1966, 1967, 1969.
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Clay is the most difficult surface to play tennis on. One needs an all-court game with lots of stamina to win clay tournaments. More so than on grass or hard courts, especially fast ones.
GoatNo1
Legend
laver never was no1. ATP tour started at 1973, the first no1 was nastase! OP clearly wrote rank no1 players by accomplishments
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Laver was No. 1 for 1965, 1966, 1967, 1969 on the points list.
Tennis pro tours and tournament ranking series - Wikipedia
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GoatNo1
Legend
no, not ATP no1. ATP and ATP tour was not bould before 72-73. in his time it was journalist who made some lists. not official ATP tour or point system!
No, there were official tournament points systems in some years before 1973.
In particular 1946, 1959, 1960, 1964-1969.
In some years, the pro tour included all the top pros and points/money were awarded according to performance, in 1942, 1954, 1961, 1963.
Tennis pro tours and tournament ranking series - Wikipedia
GoatNo1
Legend
noNo, there were official tournament points systems in some years before 1973.
In particular 1946, 1959, 1960, 1964-1969.
Tennis pro tours and tournament ranking series - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
ATP was founded in 1972 so no official ATP no1 before. here are all officiall weeks at no1 and YE#1: https://www.atptour.com/en/rankings/former-no-1s
There were points rankings based on performance before the ATP, check out the article I linked above.
"There were occasionally important professional tournament series which were referred to as establishing full field rankings, necessitated by the increasing number of prominent professional players in the post-World War II period. In 1946, there was a professional tournament series of 18 events in the U.S. under the organization of the P.P.A.T. (Professional Players Association of Tennis) linked by a points system won by Bobby Riggs, which he relied upon as evidence of his mastery of the entire pro field.
In 1959, Jack Kramer established a series of 15 tournaments in Australia, North America, and Europe linked by a points system which provided a full field ranking of all the contract professionals, plus a substantial money prize for the top finisher, with Lew Hoad emerging as world No. 1. The 1959 tournament series was officially named the "Ampol Open Trophy", after the principal sponsor of the tournaments, the Ampol oil company, and the trophy awarded to the winner. The 1959 tournament series was referred to as "the world series" in Kramer's brochure and a newspaper report. In 1960, Kramer again established a tournament series with a points system, but both Gonzales and Hoad withdrew from the field and the final results are unknown. In 1964, under Kramer's advice, the I.P.T.P.A. (International Professional Tennis Players Association) established a series of 17 tournaments in U.S. and Europe with a points system, and a world No. 1 and world champion was named as a result, Ken Rosewall. This system continued in subsequent years, with Rod Laver attaining the No. 1 ranking position for the 1965, 1966, and 1967 pro tournament series. The final results of these later tournament series were not published. In 1968–69, the two pro tennis tours, the NTL and the WCT, each had a tournament series ranking list which contributed four players from each tour to a combined final tournament at the Madison Square Garden. Tony Roche won the 1968 event, and Rod Laver won the 1969 event.
Beginning in 1970, the ILTF authorized Kramer to arrange a year-end championship in which the pros with the highest tournament series points competed for the title of Grand Prix champion. This event was held in various locations and finally remained at Madison Square Garden from 1977 to 1989. In 1990, the ATP took over running the event and started awarding ranking points for the 8 qualifiers based on their results in the tournament. Currently, the championship is known as the "ATP Finals"."
GoatNo1
Legend
no one cares. it was no tour and points system that you can compare to modern tennis or since there is ATP. it is no oficial. everybody talk and point on ATP list nothing else! all records are according to it.
The pre-ATP points systems gave rise to the ATP system, they were both created by Jack Kramer.
Read the history of the development.
"There were occasionally important professional tournament series which were referred to as establishing full field rankings, necessitated by the increasing number of prominent professional players in the post-World War II period. In 1946, there was a professional tournament series of 18 events in the U.S. under the organization of the P.P.A.T. (Professional Players Association of Tennis) linked by a points system won by Bobby Riggs, which he relied upon as evidence of his mastery of the entire pro field.
In 1959, Jack Kramer established a series of 15 tournaments in Australia, North America, and Europe linked by a points system which provided a full field ranking of all the contract professionals, plus a substantial money prize for the top finisher, with Lew Hoad emerging as world No. 1. The 1959 tournament series was officially named the "Ampol Open Trophy", after the principal sponsor of the tournaments, the Ampol oil company, and the trophy awarded to the winner. The 1959 tournament series was referred to as "the world series" in Kramer's brochure and a newspaper report.
In 1960, Kramer again established a tournament series with a points system, but both Gonzales and Hoad withdrew from the field and the final results are unknown.
In 1964, under Kramer's advice, the I.P.T.P.A. (International Professional Tennis Players Association) established a series of 17 tournaments in U.S. and Europe with a points system, and a world No. 1 and world champion was named as a result, Ken Rosewall. This system continued in subsequent years, with Rod Laver attaining the No. 1 ranking position for the 1965, 1966, and 1967 pro tournament series. The final results of these later tournament series were not published.
In 1968–69, the two pro tennis tours, the NTL and the WCT, each had a tournament series ranking list which contributed four players from each tour to a combined final tournament at the Madison Square Garden. Tony Roche won the 1968 event, and Rod Laver won the 1969 event.
Beginning in 1970, the ILTF authorized Kramer to arrange a year-end championship in which the pros with the highest tournament series points competed for the title of Grand Prix champion. This event was held in various locations and finally remained at Madison Square Garden from 1977 to 1989. In 1990, the ATP took over running the event and started awarding ranking points for the 8 qualifiers based on their results in the tournament. Currently, the championship is known as the "ATP Finals"."
GoatNo1
Legend
as i said. no one cares. all records and all that really matter is since ATP tour started. and the numbers that are officially on ATP site.
Well, there is no reason to start caring with the ATP. Some of the greatest players of all time were active before 1973.
And the No. 1 rankings were determined in many of those years by the results of play on the tennis court.
Kramer was responsible for developing both the pre-ATP point systems as well as the ATP system, there is no real difference in how they work.
Most people care about tennis history, there is a whole plethora of records related to All-Time, and many of the all-time records were established before 1973.
For example, youngest and oldest No. 1 players, most Grand Slams in one calendar year.
All-time tennis records – Men's singles - Wikipedia
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GoatNo1
Legend
i do not see any ranking lists there. you can use whoever ranking you wont. it is ATP ranking that is the only one that players and analytiker in modern tennis care of.Well, there is no reason to start caring with the ATP. Some of the greatest players of all time were active before 1973.
And the No. 1 rankings were determined in many of those years by the results of play on the tennis court.
Kramer was responsible for developing both the pre-ATP point systems as well as the ATP system, there is no real difference in how they work.
Most people care about tennis history, there is a whole plethora of records related to All-Time, and many of the all-time records were established before 1973.
For example, youngest and oldest No. 1 players, most Grand Slams in one calendar year.
All-time tennis records – Men's singles - Wikipedia
The pre-1973 rankings are taken seriously whenever they existed.
Using the pre-1973 point rankings give a legitimate ranking for the prime years of Riggs (1946), Gonzales (1954, 1961), Hoad (1959), Rosewall (1963, 1964), Laver (1965, 1966, 1967, 1969).
Check this article for the ranking series lists. 1941/42, 1946, 1954, 1959, 1961, 1963, 1964-1969.
Tennis pro tours and tournament ranking series - Wikipedia
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