Rank the years 2000-2016

Bukmeikara

Legend
2003 was probably the most competitive, evanly matched year since Borg, Connors and Vilas time. Three players were fighting for the number 1 ranking at the end of the year + Agassi/Hewitt were ranked as number 1 at some point + you had some great displays from players like Coria, Nalbandian and Kuerten. It should be easily top 3 season
 

MasturB

Legend
2012 pretty cool.

AO - Nole
FO - Rafa
WB - Rog
US - Andy

I think Gilbert predicted each of them would win a slam at the beginning of the year.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Maybe you're right. But I actually favor 2011 over 2012 and 2009.
2011 vs 2012,

Out of the top 5 players, Federer, Murrray and Ferrer were all clearly better in 2012, Djokovic and Nadal were better in 2011 - though Nadal in the first half of 2012 was better than at any point in 2011. Berdych at #6 was better in 2012 as well, you also had Del Potro making a comeback. On the flip side Tsonga was better in 2011.

I think for overall depth of the field I would go for 2012 quite clearly.
 

TheMaestro1990

Hall of Fame
2011 vs 2012,

Out of the top 5 players, Federer, Murrray and Ferrer were all clearly better in 2012, Djokovic and Nadal were better in 2011 - though Nadal in the first half of 2012 was better than at any point in 2011. Berdych at #6 was better in 2012 as well, you also had Del Potro making a comeback. On the flip side Tsonga was better in 2011.

I think for overall depth of the field I would go for 2012 quite clearly.
Like you pointed out, Djokovic and Nadal excelled in 2011. But you also have to take Federer's autumn 2011 form into account. Paris, Basel and WTF - very high level. I also think that Federer performed almost as good in slams as in 2012. Federer's RG level in 2011 was out of this world, his Wimbledon form was good until he stumbled across a very in form Tsonga. And his US Open form was clearly better in 2011 than in 2012.

On the other points I agree with you. I just don't think it's quite clear overall; to me 2011 ranks higher. Maybe it's just due to the insane finals we saw that year. Anyway, those were great years. Too bad we barely see anything close to it these days.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Strongest year first, weakest year last:

2011
2012
2009
2008
2005
2013
2000
2007
2004
2014
2003
2001
2006
2010
2015
2002
2016
2011 (agree, strongest year overall for big 4, Djokovic sets a new standard on tour)
2012 (true big 4 once again)
2009 (amazing Murray from late 2008 into 2009, Davydenko end of year, Delpo)
2008 (Djokovic caps fine 2007 with Auz Open, Murray emerges late in year)
2015 (Revamped version of prime Fed-but not peak with hard courts close, Stanimal stops the Calendar slam)
2010 (Djoko really weak most of the year)
2013 (bad Fed and fading Murray)
2004 (Agassi a bit down, but Roddick and Hewitt around peak, Coria)
2016 (NextGen emerging, peak Murray, Slamimal glory, Nole slam)
2005 (nice play on clay)
2000
2007 (Nadal not yet a real threat on hard courts, Murray and Djokovic on the rise)
2003 (end of an average era)
2001
2006
2014 (weak, weak Murray, Cilic wins US Open)
2002
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
2011 (agree, strongest year overall for big 4, Djokovic sets a new standard on tour)
2012 (true big 4 once again)
2009 (amazing Murray from late 2008 into 2009, Davydenko end of year, Delpo)
2008 (Djokovic caps fine 2007 with Auz Open, Murray emerges late in year)
2015 (Revamped version of prime Fed-but not peak with hard courts close, Stanimal stops the Calendar slam)
2010 (Djoko really weak most of the year)
2013 (bad Fed and fading Murray)
2004 (Agassi a bit down, but Roddick and Hewitt around peak, Coria)
2016 (NextGen emerging, peak Murray, Slamimal glory, Nole slam)
2005 (nice play on clay)
2000
2007 (Nadal not yet a real threat on hard courts, Murray and Djokovic on the rise)
2003 (end of an average era)
2001
2006
2014 (weak, weak Murray, Cilic wins US Open)
2002
If 2015 was revamped version of prime Fed on HC, so was 2004 for Agassi.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
2009, 2012, 2011, 2004, 2003, 2008, 2005, 2007, 2000, 2006, 2013, 2001, 2014, 2015, 2010, 2016 is probably around what I would go with. Obviously some room for debate.
 
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Guest
2011 (agree, strongest year overall for big 4, Djokovic sets a new standard on tour)
2012 (true big 4 once again)
2009 (amazing Murray from late 2008 into 2009, Davydenko end of year, Delpo)
2008 (Djokovic caps fine 2007 with Auz Open, Murray emerges late in year)
2015 (Revamped version of prime Fed-but not peak with hard courts close, Stanimal stops the Calendar slam)
2010 (Djoko really weak most of the year)
2013 (bad Fed and fading Murray)
2004 (Agassi a bit down, but Roddick and Hewitt around peak, Coria)
2016 (NextGen emerging, peak Murray, Slamimal glory, Nole slam)
2005 (nice play on clay)
2000
2007 (Nadal not yet a real threat on hard courts, Murray and Djokovic on the rise)
2003 (end of an average era)
2001
2006
2014 (weak, weak Murray, Cilic wins US Open)
2002
LOL.

2002 as the weakest year? It was probably better than this horrible year we are currently in.
 

Tardigrade

Banned
2011
2008 was a good year also, yeah Federer did get mono, but we saw Djokovic make inroads, Murray coming into things.
2009 was decent
2006 sucked


*I refuse to rank 2003, 04 and 2005 for many reasons; We saw a lot of top quality talents drop off in this period due to injury or other things. Think of this for a potential field. Prime Federer, prime Nadal (let's face it, Nadal in 05 was scary), prime Hewitt, prime Nalbandian, prime Ferrero, Gaudio, Coria, prime Roddick, prime Safin, a competent Agassi, a competent Kuerten, Blake, Pim-Pim taking his game to the next level, Haas, the emergence of Davydenko. Imagine if this would have happened along with Djokovic emerging in 07????? This would have been a seriously strong field in 06/07. Imagine if they played in 08-10 with Murray, Djokovic and JMDP being big draws too. That would have been a sick era..........................


What really happened; Federer and Nadal kept up the pace, Safin got injured, Hewitt got injured, Pim-Pim fell off injured, Blake never achieved what his skill set could have allowed him to win, Agassi retired (fair enough, he deserved to), Kuerten was never the same, Nalbandian at times didn't give a crap, Coria fell off after FO 04, Gaudio thought he did enough and pretty much stopped caring after accomplishing his dream, Hewitt was done after 05, Roddick started to employ dumb tactics and ditched Gilbert and his FH for John and a defensive mentality. Haas was simply unlucky with family issues and injuries, Ferrero was injured and never really came back aside from a week at Cincy 06.


Seriously, these years were the most tragic for tennis, especially from 06-09. So much potential gone down the drain due to injuries, bad luck and stupid decisions from tennis players. Djokovic's and JMDP's emergence helped a lot in 07+, and Murray, whilst not entertaining did add another contender for big tournaments.



This is why I'm not ranking 03-05. Some of the most gifted players I've ever seen lurked or faded away in this time. This really could have been some good times.



I cba to write a list of the years. All I would say is, 2006 was dross. Dross dross dross. This year has also been pretty dull. The only good matchups in tennis revolve around Djokovic, Wawrinka and Del Potro. These are the only exciting players on tour now, I would add Federer, but he's rarely played this year.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
2011 (agree, strongest year overall for big 4, Djokovic sets a new standard on tour)
2012 (true big 4 once again)
2009 (amazing Murray from late 2008 into 2009, Davydenko end of year, Delpo)
2008 (Djokovic caps fine 2007 with Auz Open, Murray emerges late in year)
2015 (Revamped version of prime Fed-but not peak with hard courts close, Stanimal stops the Calendar slam)
2010 (Djoko really weak most of the year)
2013 (bad Fed and fading Murray)
2004 (Agassi a bit down, but Roddick and Hewitt around peak, Coria)
2016 (NextGen emerging, peak Murray, Slamimal glory, Nole slam)
2005 (nice play on clay)
2000
2007 (Nadal not yet a real threat on hard courts, Murray and Djokovic on the rise)
2003 (end of an average era)
2001
2006
2014 (weak, weak Murray, Cilic wins US Open)
2002
2010 that high? :D :D

Hilarious having 2007 that far below 2008, I'd like to see the logic...
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
2011 (agree, strongest year overall for big 4, Djokovic sets a new standard on tour)
2012 (true big 4 once again)
2009 (amazing Murray from late 2008 into 2009, Davydenko end of year, Delpo)
2008 (Djokovic caps fine 2007 with Auz Open, Murray emerges late in year)
2015 (Revamped version of prime Fed-but not peak with hard courts close, Stanimal stops the Calendar slam)
2010 (Djoko really weak most of the year)
2013 (bad Fed and fading Murray)
2004 (Agassi a bit down, but Roddick and Hewitt around peak, Coria)
2016 (NextGen emerging, peak Murray, Slamimal glory, Nole slam)
2005 (nice play on clay)
2000
2007 (Nadal not yet a real threat on hard courts, Murray and Djokovic on the rise)
2003 (end of an average era)
2001
2006
2014 (weak, weak Murray, Cilic wins US Open)
2002
solid list most experts would agree. Just ask PMac Gilbert killer Cahill etc... 2011 was sick.culminating in the complete physical collapse of Nadal and Djokovic at that AO 2012.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
All I can say is 2011/2012 were reasonably fierce years and 2002 was not great. Everything else slots between these sets of years - too close to call.

Tentative - means nothing really.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Still think 09 was the best year of them all. Big 4 not quite all firing on all cylinders but Nadal was at his peak for half the year, Fed besides the Spring was at a generally high level. Murray was excellent outside the slams and good at Wimby. Djokovic was good in the clay masters, indoors, US HC.

But what made it was the performances outside the big 4. Davydenko, Roddick, Verdasco, Delpo, Soderling all playing awesome tennis and going toe to toe with the big 4 for big parts of the year. Ranking spots 5-10 was easily the best of the last 20-25 years.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Still think 09 was the best year of them all. Big 4 not quite all firing on all cylinders but Nadal was at his peak for half the year, Fed besides the Spring was at a generally high level. Murray was excellent outside the slams and good at Wimby. Djokovic was good in the clay masters, indoors, US HC.

But what made it was the performances outside the big 4. Davydenko, Roddick, Verdasco, Delpo, Soderling all playing awesome tennis and going toe to toe with the big 4 for big parts of the year. Ranking spots 5-10 was easily the best of the last 20-25 years.
Agreed. 2009 had one of the strongest top 10 IMO. And nobody in that top 10 was older than 28 as well :)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
LOL.

2002 as the weakest year? It was probably better than this horrible year we are currently in.
Well its better than much of the 90s. Its a little premature to really size up 2016. We won't really know even at the end of the year. If the entire NextGen and LostGen flop over the next couple years then that will hurt 2016. Murray may do something crazy next year and that would force reevaluation of 2016. Your idol Kyrgios may kick it into high gear and all will be revealed.:D

We also had a huge technology change in the early 2000s with Polyester strings really taking hold. I don't think the change made Hewitt and Roddick more competitive. These strings are right there with the change from wood to graphite rackets. This clouds the whole period and creates a lot of differing judgements. For me period of 2000 to 2007 really only had one ATG ruling the roost in most years (Nadal dominated clay of course, but not elsewhere.)

Statistically 2011 was the first year where all of the Big 4 had strong stats and I suppose with Fed fading in 2013 and Murray's back Surgery that was really it. 2009 showed a lot of potential in the top 10. I love 2016 because of the strong NextGen push this Fall. We'll see what happens.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
2010 that high? :D :D

Hilarious having 2007 that far below 2008, I'd like to see the logic...
I state my logic for 2008 right there. Early emergence of the Big 4 pretty much. 2010 rates highly simply because Nadal won 3 slams and completed the career slam. Right in between four other highly rated years. Stats are not close to 2011 for the big 4. Soderling on clay a worthy component of 2010.

Just went through all the finals and SFs for the year and sorry not impressed. As you know my full on hatred for Roddick had taken firm root by 2007 and 0.0 respect for James Blake who dropped out of top 10 from 4 in the world.
1 Roger Federer SUI 7,180 1 1 Steady
2 Rafael Nadal ESP 5,735 2 2 Steady
3 Novak Djokovic SRB 4,470 3 16 Increase 13
4 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 2,825 3 5 Decrease 1 (not really competitive at US Open when he hit the big boys)
5 David Ferrer ESP 2,750 5 16 Increase 9 (wow, right there with Berdych for fun to watch0
6 Andy Roddick USA 2,530 3 7 Steady (ugh)
7 Fernando González CHI 2,005 5 10 Increase 3 (liked Fernando a lot, but not a complete player.)
8 Richard Gasquet FRA 1,930 7 18 Increase 10 (kind of like Ferrer, really?)
9 David Nalbandian ARG 1,775 8 26 Decrease 1 (sorry not a huge Nalbandian fan whatsoever)
10 Tommy Robredo ESP 1,765 5 11 Decrease 3 (Robredo?, wow, never been impressed.)

Like the top 3 and Gonzalez. The rest, not so much.

Like 2008 a whole lot better. Tsonga, Simon, and Delpo were a breath of fresh air.

Hilarious in my mind that any can like 2006 and 2007.
 

Indio

Semi-Pro
But what made it was the performances outside the big 4. Davydenko, Roddick, Verdasco, Delpo, Soderling all playing awesome tennis and going toe to toe with the big 4 for big parts of the year. Ranking spots 5-10 was easily the best of the last 20-25 years.
Good call on numbers 5 through 10 (with one exception), especially Davydenko. Even though he was ranked a little lower than he had been from 05 to 07 (and didn't have as many deep runs at majors), he actually had better overall seasons in 08 and 09, posting better won-lost percentages and doing much better against the big guys.
The one exception is Verdasco, who posted a miserable 2-14 record against the Top 10.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
2009
2012

2011
2008
2005

2007
2013
2004

2000
2003
2001

2014
2010
2006

2015
2002
2016


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TheFifthSet

Legend
2007 is underrated. Federer was still at his best, Nadal had one of his best years on clay and won IW without the loss of a set, Djokovic had emerged as a top player, Nalbandian played like a madman during the indoor season, ditto for Gonzalez at the Australian, Roddick was his usual self, Ferrer had his best year up to that point, etc.
 
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NatF

Bionic Poster
I state my logic for 2008 right there. Early emergence of the Big 4 pretty much. 2010 rates highly simply because Nadal won 3 slams and completed the career slam. Right in between four other highly rated years. Stats are not close to 2011 for the big 4. Soderling on clay a worthy component of 2010.

Just went through all the finals and SFs for the year and sorry not impressed. As you know my full on hatred for Roddick had taken firm root by 2007 and 0.0 respect for James Blake who dropped out of top 10 from 4 in the world.
1 Roger Federer SUI 7,180 1 1 Steady
2 Rafael Nadal ESP 5,735 2 2 Steady
3 Novak Djokovic SRB 4,470 3 16 Increase 13
4 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 2,825 3 5 Decrease 1 (not really competitive at US Open when he hit the big boys)
5 David Ferrer ESP 2,750 5 16 Increase 9 (wow, right there with Berdych for fun to watch0
6 Andy Roddick USA 2,530 3 7 Steady (ugh)
7 Fernando González CHI 2,005 5 10 Increase 3 (liked Fernando a lot, but not a complete player.)
8 Richard Gasquet FRA 1,930 7 18 Increase 10 (kind of like Ferrer, really?)
9 David Nalbandian ARG 1,775 8 26 Decrease 1 (sorry not a huge Nalbandian fan whatsoever)
10 Tommy Robredo ESP 1,765 5 11 Decrease 3 (Robredo?, wow, never been impressed.)

Like the top 3 and Gonzalez. The rest, not so much.

Like 2008 a whole lot better. Tsonga, Simon, and Delpo were a breath of fresh air.

Hilarious in my mind that any can like 2006 and 2007.
So essentially you're going off your personal preferences? That explains the lack of logic then :D
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I state my logic for 2008 right there. Early emergence of the Big 4 pretty much. 2010 rates highly simply because Nadal won 3 slams and completed the career slam. Right in between four other highly rated years. Stats are not close to 2011 for the big 4. Soderling on clay a worthy component of 2010.

Just went through all the finals and SFs for the year and sorry not impressed. As you know my full on hatred for Roddick had taken firm root by 2007 and 0.0 respect for James Blake who dropped out of top 10 from 4 in the world.
1 Roger Federer SUI 7,180 1 1 Steady
2 Rafael Nadal ESP 5,735 2 2 Steady
3 Novak Djokovic SRB 4,470 3 16 Increase 13
4 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 2,825 3 5 Decrease 1 (not really competitive at US Open when he hit the big boys)
5 David Ferrer ESP 2,750 5 16 Increase 9 (wow, right there with Berdych for fun to watch0
6 Andy Roddick USA 2,530 3 7 Steady (ugh)
7 Fernando González CHI 2,005 5 10 Increase 3 (liked Fernando a lot, but not a complete player.)
8 Richard Gasquet FRA 1,930 7 18 Increase 10 (kind of like Ferrer, really?)
9 David Nalbandian ARG 1,775 8 26 Decrease 1 (sorry not a huge Nalbandian fan whatsoever)
10 Tommy Robredo ESP 1,765 5 11 Decrease 3 (Robredo?, wow, never been impressed.)

Like the top 3 and Gonzalez. The rest, not so much.

Like 2008 a whole lot better. Tsonga, Simon, and Delpo were a breath of fresh air.

Hilarious in my mind that any can like 2006 and 2007.
....and Federer won 3 slams and the YEC in 2007 :D with 10 wins over top 10 players at majors.

You not being a fan of Nalby won't change that he wreaked havoc in the indoor season in 2007, beating Federer 2x, Nadal 2x, Djokovic, Delpo, Berdych, Ferrer and Gasquet, all in a months work.

You're kind of all over the map here :p despise Roddick, aren't impressed with Robredo, and find Ferrer boring, yet Simon was a breath of fresh air?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I state my logic for 2008 right there. Early emergence of the Big 4 pretty much. 2010 rates highly simply because Nadal won 3 slams and completed the career slam. Right in between four other highly rated years. Stats are not close to 2011 for the big 4. Soderling on clay a worthy component of 2010.

Just went through all the finals and SFs for the year and sorry not impressed. As you know my full on hatred for Roddick had taken firm root by 2007 and 0.0 respect for James Blake who dropped out of top 10 from 4 in the world.
1 Roger Federer SUI 7,180 1 1 Steady
2 Rafael Nadal ESP 5,735 2 2 Steady
3 Novak Djokovic SRB 4,470 3 16 Increase 13
4 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 2,825 3 5 Decrease 1 (not really competitive at US Open when he hit the big boys)
5 David Ferrer ESP 2,750 5 16 Increase 9 (wow, right there with Berdych for fun to watch0
6 Andy Roddick USA 2,530 3 7 Steady (ugh)
7 Fernando González CHI 2,005 5 10 Increase 3 (liked Fernando a lot, but not a complete player.)
8 Richard Gasquet FRA 1,930 7 18 Increase 10 (kind of like Ferrer, really?)
9 David Nalbandian ARG 1,775 8 26 Decrease 1 (sorry not a huge Nalbandian fan whatsoever)
10 Tommy Robredo ESP 1,765 5 11 Decrease 3 (Robredo?, wow, never been impressed.)

Like the top 3 and Gonzalez. The rest, not so much.

Like 2008 a whole lot better. Tsonga, Simon, and Delpo were a breath of fresh air.

Hilarious in my mind that any can like 2006 and 2007.
A lot of your post was personal preference. I could just as easily say I enjoyed 2006 or 2007 because of Fed's brilliance.

As for the last part of your post, Simon a breath of fresh air, really? You're probably the first one who's ever said that :D

And by the way, Delpo and Simon did little to nothing in 2008.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
A lot of your post was personal preference. I could just as easily say I enjoyed 2006 or 2007 because of Fed's brilliance.

As for the last part of your post, Simon a breath of fresh air, really? You're probably the first one who's ever said that :D

And by the way, Delpo and Simon did little to nothing in 2008.
Delpo won 4 straight titles and racked up his biggest winning streak. Simon racked up wins over Fed, Djokovic and Nadal, and made his name known on the tour. Made the Madrid Final, and Canada SF, plus 2 other titles.
 
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2009 was the strongest year without a doubt, so much epicness at every slam, on every surface. The list of memroable matches and moments from that year is untouchable, everyone stepped up and had their moment in the spotlight.

I would put 2011 and 2012 straight after that because that was the peak of the big four and they are the guys that defined this era.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
So essentially you're going off your personal preferences? That explains the lack of logic then :D
Haha. I'm admitting my biases. We could go to the very average slam records of most of the top ten players in 2007. Murray and Djokovic were huge up and comers at the time, and I was very glad to see their rise in the game against a generally obsolete tour, plus the French contingent. That was my impression at the time and my current view has been a become a bit more educated but you can't get a Leopard to change all of its spots.;)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
....and Federer won 3 slams and the YEC in 2007 :D with 10 wins over top 10 players at majors.

You not being a fan of Nalby won't change that he wreaked havoc in the indoor season in 2007, beating Federer 2x, Nadal 2x, Djokovic, Delpo, Berdych, Ferrer and Gasquet, all in a months work.

You're kind of all over the map here :p despise Roddick, aren't impressed with Robredo, and find Ferrer boring, yet Simon was a breath of fresh air?
I didn't want to say it, but last year for Fed cleaning up against 2nd tier players. Nalbandian lol. You're really grasping for straws bringing up Delpo in 2007. He started showing promise with his lesser hard court tournament run in 2008. 2007? Early Berdy, Ferrer, and Gasquet really? Wow was Nalbandian's serve game weak.

Love the Simon baseline game, but a lower tier player because of his size and serve generally. Ferrer has an ugly, ugly game though I greatly respect his grit and return game.

Frankly, I can't comment as much on early Robredo and Gasquet because I did not see enough of their matches. I know Gasquet's history well enough and the rest of his story, but what happened to Robredo? Injuries or just an all court game that became less effective as the tour went baseline? Sadly did not see much of early Robredo. I actually liked Blake at the time, but he dropped out of top ten in 2007 and well just not that good.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
A lot of your post was personal preference. I could just as easily say I enjoyed 2006 or 2007 because of Fed's brilliance.

As for the last part of your post, Simon a breath of fresh air, really? You're probably the first one who's ever said that :D

And by the way, Delpo and Simon did little to nothing in 2008.
Simon has never had much of a serve game, so he was just a pleasure to watch from the baseline at that time and in his youth might have been some of his best movement (frankly he's looked amazing the last week or so surprisingly.) That kind of baseline game was something different.

Delpo did a lot in 2008 and won quite a few lower tier hard court events in North American hard court season. That run definitely put him on the map at a very young age.

If you're a Murray fan 2016 and 2017 may turn out to be epic.:D

Many of the Fed fans like players with all court games and find baseline tennis boring. I love baseline tennis and like the subtle battle for domination. Its not a simple game with players resembling two ball machines fighting. Simon and Wawrinka have shown interesting variations where they often try to tactically grind their opponent down and make them work harder. Of course players want to shorten the rallies, but they keep enough pressure that the UEs will mount. Murray can be a great player to watch when he's not forced into defensive grinding (Djokovic) and can use a lot of crafty shots and play. Wonderful and unique grass court player. When matches get tight between these players the rally quality can be astounding.:eek:
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Haha. I'm admitting my biases. We could go to the very average slam records of most of the top ten players in 2007. Murray and Djokovic were huge up and comers at the time, and I was very glad to see their rise in the game against a generally obsolete tour, plus the French contingent. That was my impression at the time and my current view has been a become a bit more educated but you can't get a Leopard to change all of its spots.;)
How much better were the slam counts in 2008 lol. Murray and Del Potro got added but neither were in slam winning form - apart from Murray at the USO potentially. The top 2 in 2007 were clearly better, Federer in 2007 > Nadal in 2008 and Nadal in 2007 > Federer in 2008. The rest of the top 4 in 2008 was better.

I don't see much difference between the rest of the top 10's overall. Not enough for 2008 to be so much better.

And 2016 has been a bit of a joke competition wise lets be honest, 2010 is down there with the worst of them as well - Federer, Djokovic and Murray were all out of form.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I didn't want to say it, but last year for Fed cleaning up against 2nd tier players. Nalbandian lol. You're really grasping for straws bringing up Delpo in 2007. He started showing promise with his lesser hard court tournament run in 2008. 2007? Early Berdy, Ferrer, and Gasquet really? Wow was Nalbandian's serve game weak.

Love the Simon baseline game, but a lower tier player because of his size and serve generally. Ferrer has an ugly, ugly game though I greatly respect his grit and return game.

Frankly, I can't comment as much on early Robredo and Gasquet because I did not see enough of their matches. I know Gasquet's history well enough and the rest of his story, but what happened to Robredo? Injuries or just an all court game that became less effective as the tour went baseline? Sadly did not see much of early Robredo. I actually liked Blake at the time, but he dropped out of top ten in 2007 and well just not that good.

I'm not sure what your idea of a second tier player is, but Nadal probably wasn't one by any conventional definition. He went 56-8 until the summer hard courts and probably would have taken Federer's number one ranking had he won their Wimbledon encounter. He was leading the points race before the final. Since I know you're partial to match stats, I'll also include that he was winning 55.3% of his points, same as in the lead up to the '08 USO. Only in 2008 he shut things down during the indoor season, whereas the year prior he was able to make fairly deep runs on his worst surface, which brought his stats down ever so slightly.

Delpo was one player I brought up. Admittedly it wasn't much to boast about back then, but he was one of several that Nalbandian scalped. Odd that two tournaments where he beat Federer and Nadal twice (the main names, highlighted so you don't gloss over them ;)), and Djokovic/Moya/Berdych/Ferrer/Gasquet/Robredo/a young Delpo doesn't impress you, but Simons year round performance somehow did. To each their own, I suppose. Given your assessment of Ferrer I must double down on my previous post -- where is this going? Are we judging the quality of the player or their aesthetic appeal?
 
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Meles

Bionic Poster
How much better were the slam counts in 2008 lol. Murray and Del Potro got added but neither were in slam winning form - apart from Murray at the USO potentially. The top 2 in 2007 were clearly better, Federer in 2007 > Nadal in 2008 and Nadal in 2007 > Federer in 2008. The rest of the top 4 in 2008 was better.

I don't see much difference between the rest of the top 10's overall. Not enough for 2008 to be so much better.

And 2016 has been a bit of a joke competition wise lets be honest, 2010 is down there with the worst of them as well - Federer, Djokovic and Murray were all out of form.
Nadal hard court stats in 2007 quite weak. Federer was not as good in 2008 for sure, but he was a lot better than Nadal in 2007 on hard courts. Academic as these are all middle of the pack years in any event. 2010 might not have been great for Federer, but Nadal winning 3 slams counts was a big deal. The world does not revolve around Federer.:D (It justs seems that way.)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I'm not sure what your idea of a second tier player is, but Nadal probably wasn't one by any conventional definition. He went 56-8 until the summer hard courts and probably would have taken Federer's number one ranking had he won their Wimbledon encounter. He was leading the points race before the final. Since I know you're partial to match stats, I'll also include that he was winning 55.3% of his points, same as in the lead up to the '08 USO. Only in 2008 he shut things down during the indoor season, whereas the year prior he was able to make fairly deep runs on his worst surface, which brought his stats down ever so slightly.

Delpo was one player I brought up. Admittedly it wasn't much to boast about back then, but he was one of several that Nalbandian scalped. Odd that two tournaments where he beat Federer and Nadal twice (the main names, highlighted so you don't gloss over them ;)), and Djokovic/Moya/Berdych/Ferrer/Gasquet/Robredo/a young Delpo doesn't impress you, but Simons year round performance somehow did. To each their own, I suppose. Given your assessment of Ferrer I must double down on my previous post -- where is this going? Are we judging the quality of the player or their aesthetic appeal?
Nadal 2007 hard courts stats is a lowish 52.6% for the year If you take the first half of the year on hard courts Nadal jad solid stats at 54.0% of points won, so yes through Miami Nadal had good stats over a smaller sample size.

If we cherry pick Nalbandian from the US Open onwards he's at 53.1% total points won with the serve being a bit weakish. That is 2nd tier.

I'm not impressed with young players because of the relatively weak serves though I must say Berdy had a great serve points won in 2007. Gasquet also solid with great hard court return. Ferrer surprisingly solid that year too. Moya and Robredo not too impressive on hard courts.

Basically, I still see Federer>>>> than the rest.

I just say I like Simon, not that he's anything special. With no serve, the guy stinks in slams. He was stroking those groundies in 2008. I must admit Simoan's stats are weak in 2008 and the fact he peaked at 6, qualified for WTF, and finished year at 8 doesn't say good things about the top ten. @NatF I'm seeing the light.:D
 
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