Rank these 5 guys: Zverev, FAA, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Sinner

VilasFan

Rookie
If you feel like it, please rank these dudes in terms of career success when all is said and done: Zverev, FAA, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, and Sinner. Feel free to throw in some other guys if you please. Just curious about the consensus on here. Thanks!
Mine: 1. Sinner 2. Tsitsipas 3. Medvedev 4. FAA 5. Zverev (very close between these last two serve strugglers)
Medvedev
Tsitsipas
Sinner
Zverev
FAA
 

UnforcedTerror

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas will win double-digit Slams and 15+ Masters.

Zverev and Medvedev will also win a lot and end up as All-Time Greats but not sure how many Slams and Masters they will win.

FAA, I don't see it.

Sinner, no idea, he looks like he has potential but still it's too early to tell.
 
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Beckerserve

Legend
FAA and Sinner are overrated. Zverev has no 2nd serve or FH. Medvedev has peaked already and will never win a Major.
Tsitsipas is the real deal and once he gets his 1st Major will dominate the tour.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas will win double-digit Slams and 15+ Masters.

Zverev and Medvedev will also win a lot and end up as All-Time Greats but not sure how many Slams and Masters they will win.

FAA, I don't see it.

Sinner, no idea, he looks like he has potential but still it's too early to tell.
Honestly, it would have to be the weakest era ever for these guys to win a lot and become ATGs. They are not even better than Hewitt/Roddick and are much worse than Murray/Stan/Safin.

I will LOL if Tsitsipas does end up with double digit slams.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
When their respective careers are over, who will have the most slams? But this could also mean everyone beneath Med has zero. Why is Sinner even mentioned as a future slam winner?

Tsitsipas
Medvedev
FAA
Zverev
Sinner
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas will win double-digit Slams and 15+ Masters.

Zverev and Medvedev will also win a lot and end up as All-Time Greats but not sure how many Slams and Masters they will win.
Not sure if this is a joke or not. So you're predicting Stefanos, Zverev and Med will all win 6+ majors?? Talk about going out on a limb...
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
My belief is that no one really knows because they are still developing and the older guys are hitting diminishing returns in terms of improvements where the younger guys have more potential upside but are lower ranked. A stat I like to look at is who are the young players with no one younger better ranked, so starting with Med:

Players with no one younger above them starting with Med
5. Medvedev 24.5
6. Tsitsipas 22.0
17. Shapo 21.3
21. Felix 20.0
75. Sinner 19.0

Four and 1/2 years is a long time for Felix to get up to Med's level. I'd say that all of them are roughly on the same tract and any one of them could be the next one.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
My belief is that no one really knows because they are still developing and the older guys are hitting diminishing returns in terms of improvements where the younger guys have more potential upside but are lower ranked. A stat I like to look at is who are the young players with no one younger better ranked, so starting with Med:

Players with no one younger above them starting with Med
5. Medvedev 24.5
6. Tsitsipas 22.0
17. Shapo 21.3
21. Felix 20.0
75. Sinner 19.0

Four and 1/2 years is a long time for Felix to get up to Med's level. I'd say that all of them are roughly on the same tract and any one of them could be the next one.
Thanks for that list. It’s helpful. There was like a three month period a few years ago when Felix was beating everyone. After losing to him, Tsitsipas said that he might not ever beat Felix, but he would keep trying. Then, all the sudden, he regressed. Strange.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Thanks for that list. It’s helpful. There was like a three month period a few years ago when Felix was beating everyone. After losing to him, Tsitsipas said that he might not ever beat Felix, but he would keep trying. Then, all the sudden, he regressed. Strange.

Felix is capable of a very high level but has trouble getting to it, he doesn't seem steeky but he is. Right now the serve is the problem, well, double faulting. If you don't have that working then it upsets the entire game.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
My belief is that no one really knows because they are still developing and the older guys are hitting diminishing returns in terms of improvements where the younger guys have more potential upside but are lower ranked. A stat I like to look at is who are the young players with no one younger better ranked, so starting with Med:

Players with no one younger above them starting with Med
5. Medvedev 24.5
6. Tsitsipas 22.0
17. Shapo 21.3
21. Felix 20.0
75. Sinner 19.0

Four and 1/2 years is a long time for Felix to get up to Med's level. I'd say that all of them are roughly on the same tract and any one of them could be the next one.

Improvements in their game are not guaranteed. It’s work just to maintain that high level and life happens. Just look at Zverev who was on that list Im sure the past few years, what has he done to improve his game the past 4ish years? He’s actually declined.

Shapo as well, has he played a better match than when he beat Rafa when he was 18?

Lostgenners had their own list like this 10 years ago, probably Raonic and Nishikori, but they never put it all together.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
But not being a negative Nancy, my list is:
1. Tsitsipas, good mental game and competitor. Should win some slams, if no one better comes along who knows how many.
2. Medvedev, similar to Tsitsipas, but strikes me as slightly more of a wildcard mentally speaking.
3. Zverev. Hes bound to win a slam by default In this generation, probably multiple. Will need to sort his head out to be competitive with the first two.
4. Sinner. Unknown but looks good.
5. FAA, seemingly has Zverev mental issues but with less weapons and results so far. Gets Canadian overhype. Should win some masters though.
 

Pmasterfunk

Hall of Fame
  1. Sinner, he has that crazy smooth effortless power. Needs to work on his net game and movement, but his serve is already decent. He's the youngest, and his game is the least polished and has most room to grow. With decent tactics, he'd be a monster on court.
  2. Tsitsipas, although he's flaked out at the slams a bit, he's consistently winning matches he's supposed to win, which compared to his NextGen brethren puts him a huge step ahead. Has decent record against big 3/4/5, good serve, solid groundies, and really good transition to the net. Strong mentality, and apart from Medvedev, doesn't seem too bothered by his contemporaries
  3. Zverev, although he's already done quite well, he's older than everyone here except Medvedev. I'm not sure his brain realizes what he's capable of and what he should be working on. If he screws his head on right and sticks a bit closer to the baseline, actually works on his serve, he's going to be pretty dangerous.
  4. FAA, I think he has a higher ceiling than Meddy, but his serve and forehand are kind of a hot mess. He still has time to fix these, but
  5. Medvedev, probably the smartest player on tour, but I think his ceiling is lower than the others, and his grindy style seems kinda harsh on his stringy body. I wonder if his success last year was partly do to taking his opponents by surprise, which may not last. Even though he's ahead of the other guys on this list right now, I don't think he's going to really shake things up while the oldies are still around, and by the time they retire, the younger guys will have caught up.
Honestly, it would have to be the weakest era ever for these guys to win a lot and become ATGs. They are not even better than Hewitt/Roddick and are much worse than Murray/Stan/Safin.

I will LOL if Tsitsipas does end up with double digit slams.
I'd also be surprised to see any of these guys win more than 6-7 slams. I think the tour is probably going to be a bit of a random mess once the big 3/4/5 retire, and I'm not sure any of the guys above are going to be top tier ATG. I think the wins are going to be a lot more spread out, and other guys like Shapo and Alcaraz probably have a decent shot at winning slams as well.

But hey, I've been profoundly wrong before.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
I see a future of Tsitsipas and Sinner as the two dependables with a second tier of talented but shaky players making sporadic Cilic/Delpo/Stan-like bursts. Zverev will eventually unite with a coach(probably Magnus Norman) who will unlock his potential for a couple slams until he decides not to keep paying the guy.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
The more you watch Sinner, the more you know he’s gonna be really damn good. He just hasn’t been on tv much.
I've seen him play in person several times at at the IW Challenger event last year where he lost to Kudla early. Not impressed at all, sorry. The great players are always great by age 19 and he's nowhere near great.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
  1. Sinner, he has that crazy smooth effortless power. Needs to work on his net game and movement, but his serve is already decent. He's the youngest, and his game is the least polished and has most room to grow. With decent tactics, he'd be a monster on court.
  2. Tsitsipas, although he's flaked out at the slams a bit, he's consistently winning matches he's supposed to win, which compared to his NextGen brethren puts him a huge step ahead. Has decent record against big 3/4/5, good serve, solid groundies, and really good transition to the net. Strong mentality, and apart from Medvedev, doesn't seem too bothered by his contemporaries
  3. Zverev, although he's already done quite well, he's older than everyone here except Medvedev. I'm not sure his brain realizes what he's capable of and what he should be working on. If he screws his head on right and sticks a bit closer to the baseline, actually works on his serve, he's going to be pretty dangerous.
  4. FAA, I think he has a higher ceiling than Meddy, but his serve and forehand are kind of a hot mess. He still has time to fix these, but
  5. Medvedev, probably the smartest player on tour, but I think his ceiling is lower than the others, and his grindy style seems kinda harsh on his stringy body. I wonder if his success last year was partly do to taking his opponents by surprise, which may not last. Even though he's ahead of the other guys on this list right now, I don't think he's going to really shake things up while the oldies are still around, and by the time they retire, the younger guys will have caught up.

I'd also be surprised to see any of these guys win more than 6-7 slams. I think the tour is probably going to be a bit of a random mess once the big 3/4/5 retire, and I'm not sure any of the guys above are going to be top tier ATG. I think the wins are going to be a lot more spread out, and other guys like Shapo and Alcaraz probably have a decent shot at winning slams as well.

But hey, I've been profoundly wrong before.
Even 6-7 slams for each of them is a lot.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
If you feel like it, please rank these dudes in terms of career success when all is said and done: Zverev, FAA, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, and Sinner. Feel free to throw in some other guys if you please. Just curious about the consensus on here. Thanks!
Mine: 1. Sinner 2. Tsitsipas 3. Medvedev 4. FAA 5. Zverev (very close between these last two serve strugglers)
1. FAA (assuming he does not have some permanent health problem that weakens his stamina)
2. Shapo
3. Zverev
4. Tsitsipas
5. Sinner
6. Medvedev
 

Wurm

Professional
1. Zverev if he gets his second serve under control
2. Tsitsipas
3. Medvedev
3a. Zverev if he doesn't get his second serve under control.
4. FAA
5. Sinner

Zverev at 19 seemed well on course to be a multi-slam, double digits Masters, future world #1 insult to the careers of several players stuck competing with the big-3. Zverev at 23 has big problems on his second serves, a single slam SF to his name and Fedalovic are still going... but if he can work a way around the second serve problems, or adjust it technically (maybe rein in that big layoff his right arm does that now I've seen it is what I suspect the problem is) then I still think that's the career he'll end up having.

I'm putting Tsitsipas over Medvedev because his game has somewhere obvious to go (i.e. he can learn how to return properly) but I'm expecting them to end up having pretty similar careers.

I had high hopes for FAA a couple of years ago but I've seen too many brainless shots, 0-5 in his first 5 ATP finals is a concern and he has big problems with his second serve too (mostly the ball toss wandering off to the side).

Sinner might give the ball a damned good crack off either wing but I'm not seeing anything particularly special there.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I've seen him play in person several times at at the IW Challenger event last year where he lost to Kudla early. Not impressed at all, sorry. The great players are always great by age 19 and he's nowhere near great.

You might want to look up the record of a guy named Roger Federer before he turned 19.
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
Does it matter? Not as good as the other 3 by a long, long way.

FAA and Sinner borderline don't even belong in this already depleted conversation about already depleteds.
 

tonylg

Legend
Honestly, it would have to be the weakest era ever for these guys to win a lot and become ATGs. They are not even better than Hewitt/Roddick and are much worse than Murray/Stan/Safin.

Hewitt and Safin both have 2 slams, 2 WTF and 2 Davis Cups.

Of course Lleyton does have a Wimbledon, a USO doubles title and double the career titles (30 v 15).

Not sure how that makes him "much worse" than Safin.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I think this is the kind of thread that should be archived and looked at again in about 5 or 10 years.

For those discounting Sinner, he thumped#11 seed Khachanov in the first two sets today before getting injured in the third set. He gutted through the injury and made a couple comebacks in the 5th set before losing in a 5th set breaker. He has all of the talent, the calm demeanor, and the fighting spirit to be a top player, which is why people like John McEnroe were saying that he has a "tremendous future." I personally like him a lot and in my opinion, he will be the top player out of the group of teenagers out there right now.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
I think this is the kind of thread that should be archived and looked at again in about 5 or 10 years.

For those discounting Sinner, he thumped#11 seed Khachanov in the first two sets today before getting injured in the third set. He gutted through the injury and made a couple comebacks in the 5th set before losing in a 5th set breaker. He has all of the talent, the calm demeanor, and the fighting spirit to be a top player, which is why people like John McEnroe were saying that he has a "tremendous future." I personally like him a lot and in my opinion, he will be the top player out of the group of teenagers out there right now.
Did he get injuried? I was only able to see the end and he looked pretty dejected. Plus, Khachanov was strutting around like he was earning it. Hate that. I don’t care if it’s still close. If the other guy’s injured, don’t act like you’re the man. Maybe I’m being hard on the Khachanov. He’s alright.
 
F

FRV3

Guest
I think this is the kind of thread that should be archived and looked at again in about 5 or 10 years.

For those discounting Sinner, he thumped#11 seed Khachanov in the first two sets today before getting injured in the third set. He gutted through the injury and made a couple comebacks in the 5th set before losing in a 5th set breaker. He has all of the talent, the calm demeanor, and the fighting spirit to be a top player, which is why people like John McEnroe were saying that he has a "tremendous future." I personally like him a lot and in my opinion, he will be the top player out of the group of teenagers out there right now.
Yeah man, Wonder Gen will be tough.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
Did he get injuried? I was only able to see the end and he looked pretty dejected. Plus, Khachanov was strutting around like he was earning it. Hate that. I don’t care if it’s still close. If the other guy’s injured, don’t act like you’re the man. Maybe I’m being hard on the Khachanov. He’s alright.

I didn't see the injury happen. I had a work meeting, so I dropped off of the streaming right after Sinner won the first two sets. He was looking fantastic and blowing Khachanov off the court. However, when I tuned back in towards the end of the third set, Sinner was just stiffly arming his serves in, going for a winner on anything close to him, and he was not able to run after anything that was in the corners. It looked like something was wrong with his lower back or hip area. He looked sick to his stomach because he knew this match was his to win. Work got in the way for me again, so I missed most of the rest of the match, but I was following the score on my phone. He dropped the 4th set 6-0 and was down several times on his serve in the 5th set, but somehow got it into a tiebreak. I tuned back in to watch the tiebreak and he did look dejected in the end as this would have been a great win. Hopefully, he can learn from this, get healthy, and get a good draw at the French Open to make a run. He's going to be a beast when he's fully matured.

Here's how the US Open site reported it:

"No. 11 seed Karen Khachanov of Russia needed five hard-hitting sets to outduel Jannik Sinner of Italy, 3-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-0, 7-6, on Day 2 of the 2020 US Open.

Khachanov entered today’s contest against Sinner as one of 14 seeded men in the tournament under the age of 25. Next time at the US Open, there is little doubt that Sinner, who turned 19 two weeks ago, will be part of that promising group of young players. He began 2020 as the youngest player in the ATP’s Top 100 and showed in this first-round match against Khachanov why he is one of the fastest-rising players on the men’s tour.

The two players engaged in a tremendous slugfest in the first two sets, with both players rocketing forehands and backhands with abandon. Sinner took both sets by being just as potent as Khachanov but a bit more precise, hitting more winners and making fewer errors.

The 6-foot-6 Khanchanov remained undaunted, however. When Sinner’s level play dipped early in the third set—as he began to show signs of physical discomfort and eventually needed to call for a trainer—Khachanov was ready to take charge. With Sinner moving gingerly, Khachanov won the third and fourth sets comfortably, and seemed ready to close out the match quickly in the fifth set.

Yet Sinner refused to give in. Although moving slowly after every point, he managed to hold serve, game after game, through the fifth set to force a decisive tiebreak. Khachanov, to his credit, never yielded either. He jumped out to the early lead in the tiebreak, and when Sinner hit a backhand into the net at the three-hour-and 44-minute mark, Khachanov’s two-sets-from-behind comeback was complete."


 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
I didn't see the injury happen. I had a work meeting, so I dropped off of the streaming right after Sinner won the first two sets. He was looking fantastic and blowing Khachanov off the court. However, when I tuned back in towards the end of the third set, Sinner was just stiffly arming his serves in, going for a winner on anything close to him, and he was not able to run after anything that was in the corners. It looked like something was wrong with his lower back or hip area. He looked sick to his stomach because he knew this match was his to win. Work got in the way for me again, so I missed most of the rest of the match, but I was following the score on my phone. He dropped the 4th set 6-0 and was down several times on his serve in the 5th set, but somehow got it into a tiebreak. I tuned back in to watch the tiebreak and he did look dejected in the end as this would have been a great win. Hopefully, he can learn from this, get healthy, and get a good draw at the French Open to make a run. He's going to be a beast when he's fully matured.

Here's how the US Open site reported it:

"No. 11 seed Karen Khachanov of Russia needed five hard-hitting sets to outduel Jannik Sinner of Italy, 3-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-0, 7-6, on Day 2 of the 2020 US Open.

Khachanov entered today’s contest against Sinner as one of 14 seeded men in the tournament under the age of 25. Next time at the US Open, there is little doubt that Sinner, who turned 19 two weeks ago, will be part of that promising group of young players. He began 2020 as the youngest player in the ATP’s Top 100 and showed in this first-round match against Khachanov why he is one of the fastest-rising players on the men’s tour.

The two players engaged in a tremendous slugfest in the first two sets, with both players rocketing forehands and backhands with abandon. Sinner took both sets by being just as potent as Khachanov but a bit more precise, hitting more winners and making fewer errors.

The 6-foot-6 Khanchanov remained undaunted, however. When Sinner’s level play dipped early in the third set—as he began to show signs of physical discomfort and eventually needed to call for a trainer—Khachanov was ready to take charge. With Sinner moving gingerly, Khachanov won the third and fourth sets comfortably, and seemed ready to close out the match quickly in the fifth set.

Yet Sinner refused to give in. Although moving slowly after every point, he managed to hold serve, game after game, through the fifth set to force a decisive tiebreak. Khachanov, to his credit, never yielded either. He jumped out to the early lead in the tiebreak, and when Sinner hit a backhand into the net at the three-hour-and 44-minute mark, Khachanov’s two-sets-from-behind comeback was complete."


Well, I guess it’ll keep Sinner flying under the radar for a little while longer. Many tennis enthusiasts on this thread don’t even know he exists. Maybe that’s a good thing. It’s easier to hit pressureless balls.
 

Wurm

Professional
I think this is the kind of thread that should be archived and looked at again in about 5 or 10 years.

For those discounting Sinner, he thumped#11 seed Khachanov in the first two sets today before getting injured in the third set.

I don't rate Khachanov much either. We're talking someone who at 24 has a single slam QF to his name and just the 4 titles. That one of those is a Masters feels like a blip.

I'm not saying Sinner won't have a good career nor won't end up in the top 10, I'm saying he doesn't currently look like there's much to his game other than giving it a good wallop and ultimately you need more than that to consistently challenge for big titles. I'm always happy to be proven wrong about such predictions... I'm desperate for the younger generation to break through and push the big 3 aside. Enough already.
 

SonnyT

Legend
FAA must have the fastest racquet speed, which is a great indicator of potential. Teen aged Rafa and Novak also had great racquet speeds.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
If you feel like it, please rank these dudes in terms of career success when all is said and done: Zverev, FAA, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, and Sinner. Feel free to throw in some other guys if you please. Just curious about the consensus on here. Thanks!
Mine: 1. Sinner 2. Tsitsipas 3. Medvedev 4. FAA 5. Zverev (very close between these last two serve strugglers)
Zverev moves ahead of FAA to the number 4 position. Congratulations Zverev.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
Not really a point in posting so I'm just gonna bump in 15 years and laugh at people who were wrong.
The ranking is very fluid. It can change at any time. Actually, a few seconds ago FAA took back his number four spot from Zverev. Congratulations FAA.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medvedev, Sinner and FAA in that order. I don't think very highly of FAA or Denis Shapovalov.
 

Wander

Hall of Fame
I've lost my faith in FAA.

But I'm sure some people had lost their faith in Federer by 2003.

I guess most of them will win slams. Maybe 3 out of the 5. I'd be shocked if Tsitsipas flops completely and wins no majors. The others could still go either way. I guess if Zverev fixes his current serve issues he should win one eventually.
 

duaneeo

Legend
Now: Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas
Sunday: Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medvedev
All said/done: Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Zverev
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
What has FAA done really? Perhaps it's because I'm out of the loop.
He had a blistering few months last year (year before last?) when he was destroying people like Tsitsipas, but then he kind of faded, largely due to serving problems. Looks like he’s lost some confidence but the potential is still there, obviously. Smart guy, too, and doesn’t seem like a headcase. He’ll probably start kicking ass again soon.
 
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