Shhh none of that nonsense here pleaseFederer 2017 > Nadal 2022 since politics didn't interfere with the tournament by banning the favourite.
Ironman!All these guys did epic inspirational stuff aged 35 at the AO. So let’s rank the runs:
4. Djokovic 2023 (could change depending on later rounds)
3. Federer 2017 = Nadal 2022
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Haha, I already have to smile about you not even having a shared SECOND place behind the winner like it would normally be. No, after Andy it's only a shared THIRD place.All these guys did epic inspirational stuff aged 35 at the AO. So let’s rank the runs:
4. Djokovic 2023 (could change depending on later rounds)
3. Federer 2017 = Nadal 2022
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Federer still didn't have to face Djokovic, nobody cares for what reason. It doesn't make his draw tougher. Thank Istomin for that title.Federer 2017 > Nadal 2022 since politics didn't interfere with the tournament by banning the favourite.
Federer defeated Berdych - Nishikori - Wawrinka - Nadal (all Top 10 players at that time). Who did Nadal beat ? Choking mugs like Shapo and Med ? Federer' fourth round opponet was far better than Nadal's final one Lol.Federer still didn't have to face Djokovic, nobody cares for what reason. It doesn't make his draw tougher. Thank Istomin for that title.
Levelwise Federer 2017 > Nadal 2022
Infact Nadal 2017 itself lost to Federer 2017, so there is not much to compare here
Nadal is so lucky to get that AO title and thus his DCGS
Federer defeated Berdych - Nishikori - Wawrinka - Nadal (all Top 10 players at that time). Who did Nadal beat ? Choking mugs like Shapo and Med ? Federer' fourth round opponet was far better than Nadal's final one Lol.
Ahhh its ok to call the number 2 seed a choking mug cos Nadal beat him. But lets not remember the narrative ,of how many times Nishikori became injured, or that Fed faced an unseeded opponent in the QF ( LOL ),or that Nadal had barely played for 6 months leading into that AO 17 .
Nadal defeated the number 2 seed, and number 7 seed in the last 2 rounds.
I think it stands up just as much as Federers 2017 win.
Ahhh its ok to call the number 2 seed a choking mug cos Nadal beat him. But lets not remember the narrative ,of how many times Nishikori became injured, or that Fed faced an unseeded opponent in the QF ( LOL ),or that Nadal had barely played for 6 months leading into that AO 17 .
Nadal defeated the number 2 seed, and number 7 seed in the last 2 rounds.
I think it stands up just as much as Federers 2017 win.
Tiley already settled everything up so that it will have a happy serbian ending.How can you rank a run that isn’t finished?
Even if Federer had a tougher draw (though hyping Berdych and Nishikori is not serious), it is surely not due to the BS reason this new user wrote. They both didn't face Djokovic. The reason of not facing him doesn't affect the difficulty.Federer defeated Berdych - Nishikori - Wawrinka - Nadal (all Top 10 players at that time). Who did Nadal beat ? Choking mugs like Shapo and Med ? Federer' fourth round opponet was far better than Nadal's final one Lol.
Sure, Zverev the older was "a tremendous rival."lol no. Fed hadn't played for even longer than Nadal in 2017 and was coming back from knee surgery to boot. There's absolutely no comparison between 2017 Fed and 2022 Nadal on a level of play basis either. Nadal from 2017 would have crushed his 2022 self and he lost to Federer. As for the rest of the draws none of Federer's opponents were choking messes either like Shapo or a lesser extent Med. Nadal's win was epic in it's own way but it doesn't stand up next to Federer's.
Sure, Zverev the older was "a tremendous rival."
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Remember that until the 2021 edition the Australian Open semifinals were played on different days and Federer had that privilege in 2017.There were four top 10 players in his last five rounds. Federer got a let off in the QF but every other round from the R3 onwards was much tougher.
Remember that until the 2021 edition the Australian Open semifinals were played on different days and Federer had that privilege in 2017.
If they had already been played on the same day in that edition, Federer would not have become champion.
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If Nadal hadn't choked, he would have beaten him like he always did in GS tournaments.If Fed wasn't nursing a groin injury he beats Nadal in straights like every other time they met that year![]()
Federer was also lucky in 2017 , that he had no Djokovic to fight for titles.
He still didn't have to face Djokovic. The reason of that doesn't affect the difficulty.Federer deserved to be lucky because he is already 5 years older than Nadal, at 35 this is a big deal, it is not a deal at 30, not at 31, but a big deal at 35. Plus Fed was already facing 4 top 10 seeds and potentially would have faced a 5th as well if Misha had not beaten Sir Andrew. So I would say, Federer deserved whatever luck he got in AO 17, it was a well deserved win. Novak' was a part of the draw, he lost in second round for whatever reason but it is not the same as politics removing from the draw. So Federer's win is 100% legit and strong win with or without facing Novak since Novak was in the draw.
Federers 2017 >>>> Nadal tbhAll these guys did epic inspirational stuff aged 35 at the AO. So let’s rank the runs:
4. Djokovic 2023 (could change depending on later rounds)
3. Federer 2017 = Nadal 2022
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He would have beaten djokovic in 2017 even if they faced. But i doubt 2022 Nadal could have beaten Djoker at AO 2022He still didn't have to face Djokovic. The reason of that doesn't affect the difficulty.
Given that he played three 5 set matches, this is far from a sure thing.He would have beaten djokovic in 2017 even if they faced. But i doubt 2022 Nadal could have beaten Djoker at AO 2022
Yeah thats why Nadal got his ass whooped in 3 later meetings that year. Federer 2017 was a nightmare for Nadal everywhere aside clay. He even decimated Nadal on IWs and miami where courts are slow as deadIf Nadal hadn't choked, he would have beaten him like he always did in GS tournaments.
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Given Novak lost to Istomin, I’d say the chances are pretty good.Given that he played three 5 set matches, this is far from a sure thing.
He still didn't have to face Djokovic. The reason of that doesn't affect the difficulty.
Cry hard...Nadal had a cakewalk draw facing Next Gen Chokers.Remember that until the 2021 edition the Australian Open semifinals were played on different days and Federer had that privilege in 2017.
If they had already been played on the same day in that edition, Federer would not have become champion.
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Does best-of-three-set tournaments matter now, when Federer fans puffed up their chests by saying that the only important thing was Grand Slam events?Yeah thats why Nadal got his ass whooped in 3 later meetings that year. Federer 2017 was a nightmare for Nadal everywhere aside clay. He even decimated Nadal on IWs and miami where courts are slow as dead
If Nadal hadn't choked, he would have beaten him like he always did in GS tournaments.
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I'm just saying something clear and that you should admit: playing the semifinals of a GS tournament on different days is wrong but happily the organizers of the Australian Open (after more than two decades) they corrected that and since the last edition both matches are played on the same day, as it always should have been.Cry hard...Nadal had a cakewalk draw facing Next Gen Chokers.
If you are discrediting Fed then are you agreeing to the fact that 2017 version Nadal is even worse than Medvedev.
I don’t understand why Djokovic fans keep bringing this up when it exposes the fact their hero exposed children and an elderly journalist to covid knowingly and without telling them.Federer 2017 > Nadal 2022 since politics didn't interfere with the tournament by banning the favourite.
It doesn't always work this way, you know. In AO 2016 against Simon, Djokovic played worse than he did against Istomin, and we know how it ended. He was in decent form in Doha 2017, and had he survived the match against Istomin, he might have upped his level.Given Novak lost to Istomin, I’d say the chances are pretty good.
Fed's level was simply higher.Federer 2017 > Nadal 2022 since politics didn't interfere with the tournament by banning the favourite.
It doesn’t always work this way, true, but given Djokovic’s form in surrounding events, the Istomin loss is indicative of a large trend rather than a one-off like the Simon match. It’s possible he could have improved his level after the Istomin match, but I wouldn’t bet on it.It doesn't always work this way, you know. In AO 2016 against Simon, Djokovic played worse than he did against Istomin, and we know how it ended. He was in decent form in Doha 2017, and had he survived the match against Istomin, he might have upped his level.
Not at all. Nadal had barely played for 6 months, but what about Fed?Ahhh its ok to call the number 2 seed a choking mug cos Nadal beat him. But lets not remember the narrative ,of how many times Nishikori became injured, or that Fed faced an unseeded opponent in the QF ( LOL ),or that Nadal had barely played for 6 months leading into that AO 17 .
Nadal defeated the number 2 seed, and number 7 seed in the last 2 rounds.
I think it stands up just as much as Federers 2017 win.
Even in best of 5 Federer won twice since 2017 compared to once by NadalDoes best-of-three-set tournaments matter now, when Federer fans puffed up their chests by saying that the only important thing was Grand Slam events?
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As good as Fed's 2017 AO was, it will not beat Nadal's 2009 AO and Djokovic's 2012 AO.Context is always important. Only reason why Novak fans always mention AO2022 is because of political interference which removed him from the draw, instead of that had he lost in 1st week to someone nobody would have ever mentioned about asterisks. Politics should have no place in our sport but injuries/shock defeats are a part of the game. If Novak loses next match then nobody has any moral right to question Tsitsipas/Rune if they win the title on Sunday.
That having said, yes a fit Novak would have 100% beaten Federer in 2017, but nevertheless it is an epic win, perhaps the most epic AO win I witnessed in last 20 years, even more epic than AO12 final despite much lower in quality/playing level. Epicness is epicness. Federer at 35.5 beating Nadal was a very special experience.