dozu
Banned
dozu thanks for hijacking my thread
sorry, all I can say is...
'He started it'... whoever 'he' is. lolol.
Rate my game and predict NTRP (video inside) PART - 2
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sorry, all I can say is...
'He started it'... whoever 'he' is. lolol.
Of course tennis is such a mental game. There were lots of times when I'm down a few games, and I came back to win. You start to see doubts in their shots. They tighten up; Their serve loses power. They double-fault more. How do you take advantage. First, you need confidence in yourself. Second you create more doubt in them. Pretty soon, your opponent folds and it doesn't matter how much you were losing by.
Just look at Na Li. Second set, she was a basketcase. First set, she was hitting with a lot of power. But Kim held her ground, and pretty soon Li was doubting herself. Second set, she played differently. She became emotional on the court; She was blaming everybody for her problems.
Just look at Na Li. Second set, she was a basketcase. First set, she was hitting with a lot of power. But Kim held her ground, and pretty soon Li was doubting herself. Second set, she played differently. She became emotional on the court; She was blaming everybody for her problems.
Manus Domini
Hall of Fame
Thanks. I thought I was swinging the human racket, but obviously not since I have trouble with low skidding slices
But other than that, that sounds like just my type of game. I over-think and can't stop that, so instead of focusing it poorly, redirect it usefully
@Shindemac, who's Na Li? Do you mean Li Na?
HunterST
Hall of Fame
Are you a teaching pro?
maggmaster
Hall of Fame
I tried swinging my human racket but the club kicked me out...then the police came.
subz
Rookie
LOL !
I think we are distracting from the topic of this thread, which my game and the video I have posted
dozu
Banned
I coached junior golfers for a couple of years... but I don't teach tennis for a fee.... I do help some partners out a little, apparently they see enough benefits to continue seeking opinions from me.
my profession is all about analyzing problems, finding solutions and communicating them to my clients.
and since I love tennis so much, a lot of my job habits have gone into it.
ProgressoR
Hall of Fame
As OP has said at least twice, you have hi-jacked his thread, that is a problem, so what do you suggest is the solution?
peoplespeace
Professional
dozu, speaking of psycological skills u indeed have the ablity to see the glass as half full if not completely full.....funny stuff....i liked the one with ur body type permitting hitting in front of the body.....and how that is not an issues at all as long a u rotate 180 degrees lol how does hitting to the side leave u in the weight transfer dpt? Oh i forgot u dont need weight transfer or knee bend because of ur classical fh Do u need a racket at all, cant u just outsmart ur opponents jedi style using the stuff u learned on the job?
Keep going dozu, ur cool in ur own way!
Keep going dozu, ur cool in ur own way!
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Just from watching that video there is nothing that would say you were anything less than 3.5. There is also nothing in there that would scare any 4.0 to thinking they would have no trouble winning a match against you. Granted it is just warmups so its hard to see how that relates to match play.
So around here you be a really good 3.5 or a little below average 4.0.
So around here you be a really good 3.5 or a little below average 4.0.
dozu
Banned
you guys put me in a dilemma, between answering these and hijacking threads.
no need for sarcasm... I know my swing... I'd answer 1 question about the legs and weight transfer.
hitting more to the side can use classic style striding forward type weight shift, (or in some cases, hitting off the back foot while the front leg lifts up to counter balance)... and because there is less core rotation during the forward swing, there is less 'sit down and unwind' component.
anyway... I am gonna be blamed again for hijacking... I know my swing, it's modified for my own anatomy, and I haven't asked anybody to copy mine.... videos I posted to make technical illustrations are mostly from tennis or golf professionals.
so in this case, do what I say, not what I do.
peoplespeace
Professional
so linear weight transfer (without knee bend) while hitting to the side is ur MO. It sounds to me that that would put a lot more strain on the arm and core than just hitting in front, so unless there is something about ur body type that ur not telling us, it seems that ur just trying to justify suboptimal technique.
subz
Rookie
Thanks for the comments. There is one service game at 5:50 mark...
HunterST
Hall of Fame
Groundstokes look pretty good. I think your serve is at a little lower level than the groundies. Your serve has a hitch where you're almost completely static. You should strive for constant motion in the serve.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
What is it specifically about your body type that doesn't like the WW motion?
Perhaps the most efficient type of swing would be a more old school,
on-the-rise-hitting, linear, flatter swing. You wouldn't need a lot of
shoulder rotation and the racquet would do most of the work as long as
you are really relaxed. Should get plenty of power.
It seems like a motion without wiping that cuts up w/o a front contact
point is going to rob you of some power and give you a small contact
zone b/c you are swinging up a bit more.
subz
Rookie
Thanks ! I am more confident on the courts now, I think I have imporved more than what u can see in the video, my friend will bring a better camera next time and hopefully I will be able to upload the new video in time.
I couldn't play in courts like those - like racquet ball/squash courts with the sound/echo. It would drive me crazy so you should get "extra credit" right from the start.
The thing every player cannot eliminate on the way to success is the hitting. The more balls you hit the better your going to get, so just stay with it.
The thing every player cannot eliminate on the way to success is the hitting. The more balls you hit the better your going to get, so just stay with it.
subz
Rookie
You are right, I think my ground strokes a bit better than my serve. I am good at returning serves... About the hitch in the serve: I started doing this in recent months, before that I used to rush into my serves and my toss was all over the place. The small stop inbetween the action looks bad, but it helps me keep my toss where I want it to be. I am striving for a more fluid motion, where I am more relaxed and I can bring the edge of the racquet to the ball and open the face ("high 5") at the last time.
Thanks for the comments
subz
Rookie
For some reason the echo is louder in the video than it is actually. I do like playing indoors. And right now I have no choice, there is so much snow and the temperature is below -10C most times.
HunterST
Hall of Fame
You are right, I think my ground strokes a bit better than my serve. I am good at returning serves... About the hitch in the serve: I started doing this in recent months, before that I used to rush into my serves and my toss was all over the place. The small stop inbetween the action looks bad, but it helps me keep my toss where I want it to be. I am striving for a more fluid motion, where I am more relaxed and I can bring the edge of the racquet to the ball and open the face ("high 5") at the last time.
Thanks for the comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jym76LGEX3Q good drill for fluency.
Also, the high five you're describing is pronation. In my opinion, if you have a loose grip and a proper serve grip, then you shouldn't think about pronation. It will just kind of happen.
TennisProdigy
Professional
I guess you are a 4.0, depends on your area though, if you were in a poor tennis area you could be a 4.5, if you were in a really strong area, u might be a 3.5
subz
Rookie
Thanks for the link. I will try out the towel exercise. I have a continental grip when I serve, next time I will keep it loose and see if pronation happens by itself for me.
dozu
Banned
goodness, I just can't get out of this... I don't want to hijack either.... there is a ho ho ho thread I had some time ago regarding my own hitting, feel free to comment there....
I know my swing... in the ho ho ho thread there are some suggestions I took as a small tweak, some I dismissed as not applicable.
I have some knee issue and don't want to over load it, I am 40+ and am just not athletic enough to jump around with the standard WW, I am not flexible enough to follow thru like the standard WW.
The swing is good enough to produce enough kick to bother good amateurs.
peoplespeace
Professional
but with all these limitations how are u able to give decent opposition to "star recruits" and ex-college guys? Unless ofcourse u mean star recruits for other professions than tennis and ex-college guys who didnt play tennis in college.
big bang
Hall of Fame
Some guys got ugly strokes that looks like below average club players, but still they are very good players. Same way as some guys can look like semi pros when hitting but stink in a match.
Bet most guys here faced an opponent who they thought they would blow away judged by how he looked during warmup, but a few games later they thought diffently and knew they were in for a tough match!
A good coach is not allways a good player with flawless technique.
I know some great coaches that can analyse strokes as good as anyone but stink when it comes to playing.. On the other hand I know some great players who stinks when it comes to coaching. Its 2 different skills, but the ppl that got both skills can become worldclass coaches.
dlk
Hall of Fame
This has been true in my short career. I once played a guy who had appeared to have 4.5 strokes, but unfortunately for him, he was not consistent. Got his massive 1st serve in ~20% of the time. I won in a close one.
dozu
Banned
like big bang said, there are no style points in tennis... a clean winner worth 1 point, so is an ugly unforced error.
I'd have to tape an entire match to show how I play in game situations, but I have posted enough here to show my understanding of the game.
As long as you stay in balance, and the swing does not fight gravity and does not fight body anatomy, you allow the human brain (what an amazing piece of equipment!) to fire the right muscles, it usually does a pretty good job.
I don't have power to blow people away, but I can produce 50 consecutive high kicking fh, or 50 skidding slices without missing (when I am not stretched out), that is enough to break down even good amateurs.
The ball doesn't know how pretty or how standard the stroke is. It only knows how the impact is made.
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dozu
Banned
I used to play somebody like that, except he gets 70% of the massive serves in.... but all other parts of his game are garbage.... so he's got no chance to break me, although my serve stinks... and I can get a lucky break in the set, or a couple of mini breaks in the TB to win the set....
played a dozen or so sets against the guy, and I never lost one.
his garbage ground strokes, may actually look pretty good on a video to the untrained eye... but with the flaws and over hitting, he always donates the point if I can get 3 balls back.
dozu
Banned
here is a guy you never want to play for 'hundred dollar bills' just because his swing looks ugly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6XA7wbIsrJY#t=150s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6XA7wbIsrJY#t=150s
peoplespeace
Professional
dozu, two things at least i dont get about u: 1) Ur eloquent and has an answer to every thing and never is that answer that u lack in ability, but instead that tennis can be so easy if u just use ur brain well and apply ur knowledge, right? But u sao ur not so strong and athletic etc Hitting the ball out in fron of the body when the ball is at or close to its peak hight is, if done corretcty (piece of cake for u right), a shot that puts max pace on the ball with least effort, but i dont hear u talking about that and striving for that, instead u give the impression that u think that with ur physical limitations ur playing at a very high level. 2) If that is so why would u link to a vid where ur hit most of the balls after it has fallen almost to the ground and takes most strength to return??
dozu
Banned
^^
I don't think consciously about at what height I should hit the ball.
frankly speaking, in neutral baseline rallies, it doesn't really matter that much.
maximum pace is usually not the goal, maximum heaviness is.
it's easier to generate spin on a ball that is dropping, than on a ball at it's apex.
but I don't let it drop by sacrificing court position... there are some balls I hit at eye level.
by the way.... let's lose the sarcasm and keep the focus on the technicals... I never said tennis is easy.. tennis is probably the most technically complex sport, at least among the ones I have played - pingpong, badminton, soccer, basketball, volleyball...
I post stuff in hope of helping fellow tennis lovers.... in the tennis skill pyramid, unless you are #1 in the world, there are always people who are better than you.
I said I can go toe to toe with good amateurs, I never said 'very high level'.
I don't think consciously about at what height I should hit the ball.
frankly speaking, in neutral baseline rallies, it doesn't really matter that much.
maximum pace is usually not the goal, maximum heaviness is.
it's easier to generate spin on a ball that is dropping, than on a ball at it's apex.
but I don't let it drop by sacrificing court position... there are some balls I hit at eye level.
by the way.... let's lose the sarcasm and keep the focus on the technicals... I never said tennis is easy.. tennis is probably the most technically complex sport, at least among the ones I have played - pingpong, badminton, soccer, basketball, volleyball...
I post stuff in hope of helping fellow tennis lovers.... in the tennis skill pyramid, unless you are #1 in the world, there are always people who are better than you.
I said I can go toe to toe with good amateurs, I never said 'very high level'.
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xRain
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I'd say you're a 3.5.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
any chance we can see your video?
Li is her last name or family name. Western countries like to put their family name last. Eastern countries like to put it first. It's like saying Federer Roger. Got it?
HunterST
Hall of Fame
I've always heard that what you wrote here is correct, but apparently Li Na said that even her mother calls her Li Na.
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mightyrick
Legend
Yes, Li is her last name.
A lot of people don't realize that is how eastern countries do it. Even mailing addresses are written in that fashion. With largest component to smallest component. Country, Province, County, City, Villiage, Street Address.
A lot of people in the USA thought Yao Ming was being conceited by only having "Yao" on his jersey. When in reality... "Yao" is actually his family/last name.
ProgressoR
Hall of Fame
When you see her please advise her mother she needs to read this thread, she has been doing it wrong all these years.
big bang
Hall of Fame
She call her Li Na because that is correct, but the correct way to spell it is Na Li, pretty simple!
ProgressoR
Hall of Fame
I presume this refers to the OP and his first post.
If so, this is very dis-respectful, it is clear this post is no longer owned by OP and the topic now being discussed has no link with the original post.
Thus your attempts to subvert the very successful de-railing of this thread are offensive, uncalled for, and an act of undisguised provocation.
Yes, you are correct. That's what I wrote.
subz
Rookie
People seriously thought you were a 3.0 from the first video?
Well some said a low 3.0 :/
Tsonga nDance
Rookie
3.5 10characters
FitzRoy
Professional
3.0 is a ridiculous rating, you're easily better than that. I like your strokes, backhand moreso than forehand. Only thing is I've seen people with great strokes who struggle to win at 3.5, so I can't give you a rating above 3.5 just from a video. I'd guess you're better than 3.5 but I have no way to know. Just depends on what level you compete and win at.
subz
Rookie
Thanks for the comments !
You are like the only person who likes my backhand more than the forehand
which is great! When I was taking the training courses, the coach was impressed by my forehand. I think it is not good to look at but I can go flat and hit spin on it whenever I want and I have more directional control on the forehand side. I play in our university league and have a decent score. Anyway, if a friend brings a better camera tomorow I will able able to record a complete set Will post some games.
