Rate the active ATP Players in Tiers based on their current level/potential.... ?

Razer

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Tier 1 : Djokovic
Tier 2 : Alcaraz
Tier 3 : Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Sinner
Tier 4 : Rune, Rublev, Fritz, Tiafoe
Tier 5 : Dimitrov, De Minaur ?

and so on ?

Is Nadal (an active player) still in Tier 1 or has he declined to be in Tier 2 / Tier 3 / Tier 4 in terms of playing level ?
If Djokovic really a tier above Alcaraz?

Your views ? Make your own lists...
 
Razer said:
Tier 1 : Djokovic
Tier 2 : Alcaraz
Tier 3 : Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Sinner
Tier 4 : Rune, Rublev, Fritz, Tiafoe
Tier 5 : Dimitrov ?

and so on ?

Is Nadal (an active player) still in Tier 1 or has he declined to be in Tier 2 / Tier 3 in terms of playing level ?
If Djokovic really a tier above Alcaraz?

Your views ?
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Wow, @Razer, you and I must share a telepathic link. I was about to post something on this.
 
I am so upset the 3 time finalist Ruud, 2 time finalist Kandy and recent finalist Kyrgios have been ignored
 
Aabye5 said:
Wow, @Razer, you and I must share a telepathic link. I was about to post something on this.
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Cool. I was just thinking of the gap in players, so was wondering how much people have to improve to catch up with Djoker & Alcaraz The difference seems massive, when Nadal returns then he probably would be in a lower tier in level and will have a mountain to climb, which he surely can if his body allows.

ND-13 said:
I am so upset the 3 time finalist Ruud, 2 time finalist Kandy and recent finalist Kyrgios have been ignored
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Ruud and Kyrgios slipped my mind, lol. I just named a few randomly

Make a full list please according to what you think will apply in 2024.
 
Tiers for the top 10:
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Based on their win-loss ratio against the top 20:

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Forgive the granularity of the photo. Will try to find a way to make it clearer.
 
1: Djokovic, Alcaraz. The favorites for any tournament they enter.
2: Medvedev, Zverev, Rune, Sinner. All capable of beating anyone, but wouldn’t be favored against the top 2 and would have to play very well to beat them.
3: Rublev, Tsitsipas, Ruud. Can make deep runs in slams if the draw allows them to do so, but will lose to any player in the above tiers.
4: Nadal, Kyrgios. 2 of the best players in 2022, combined to play 3 matches this season. Their levels when they hopefully return next year will be unknown, but nobody would want to face them early in a tournament.
5: Everyone else.
 
Tier 1 - Djokovic, Alcaraz
Tier 2 - Medvedev
Tier 3 - Nadal (Yes it's funny to place Nadal in such a high tier, based on his "current level" lol, but that's the state of the next gen competition for you...non-active player looks more likely to grab grand slam title upon comeback than an active solid top-5 next gen youngster...)
Tier 4 - Zverev, Tsitsipas (For all the jokes people make about Tsitsipas at least he deserves some nod for at least making 2 slam finals and being one set away from his maiden slam by beating Djokovic...that is more than majority of next gens can say...)
Tier 5 - Sinner, Rune and Ruud
Tier 6 - The rest of the young gen journeymen and clowns, like Tiafoe, Kyrgios or Shelton...i feel like i had to create a separate 6th tier for these clowns and chokers, they are not even Ruud level of clowns...
 
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Aabye5 said:
I don't approve of UTR, don't care what anyone says. There's a reason the ATP wisely haven't adopted it yet.
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because their whole 1000,500,250 system will entirely cease to exist. Prestige of tournament is clearly very important in tennis and the ATP. UTR doesn't take that into consideration.
 
Tier 1: Djokovic
Tier 2: Alcaraz, Medvedev
Tier 3: Zverev
Tier 4: Ruud, Tsitsipas
Tier irrelevant: Everyone else

Strongly of the opinion that Alcaraz doesn't deserve to be in Tier 1 yet. Maybe he will earn his place there but he is FAR from being comparable to Djokovic and he's no better than Medvedev right now and the fact he got outplayed by him at the US open just cements my view.

Outside of those 3 though, I don't think any players really deserves to be put in any top "tier" but I still think Zverev is the best of the rest by a significant margin and Ruud/Tsitsipas's final runs puts them above other players. Noone else matters quite frankly, they are literally there to fill the void.
 
Terenigma said:
Tier 1: Djokovic
Tier 2: Alcaraz, Medvedev
Tier 3: Zverev
Tier 4: Ruud, Tsitsipas
Tier irrelevant: Everyone else

Strongly of the opinion that Alcaraz doesn't deserve to be in Tier 1 yet. Maybe he will earn his place there but he is FAR from being comparable to Djokovic and he's no better than Medvedev right now and the fact he got outplayed by him at the US open just cements my view.

Outside of those 3 though, I don't think any players really deserves to be put in any top "tier" but I still think Zverev is the best of the rest by a significant margin and Ruud/Tsitsipas's final funs puts them above other players. Noone else matters quite frankly, they are literally there to fill the void.
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@Sampras-Bruguera 1993 & @dking68 won't like Sinner being in Tier Irrelevant
 
L4S10s said:
because their whole 1000,500,250 system will entirely cease to exist. Prestige of tournament is clearly very important in tennis and the ATP. UTR doesn't take that into consideration.
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Here's one small problem I have with UTR. It looks at trends. I think that works well across the entire top 500. I'm not convinced it works as well at the top tier or on the individual level.

Why? Because we are looking at people, not stocks, for example. Individuals can make decisions. They have baggage. They have inexplicable injuries.

So, one day, FAA might finally realize that there is a net beyond no man's land, and that it would behoove him to spend more time there. Sinner might have the opportunity to play a US Open QF at a balmy 80 degrees. Medvedev might peevishly decide to fire Coach Cervara to his own and eternal detriment.
 
Another problem with UTR is that Dimitrov is currently listed as number 9. He hasn't been number 9 in the ATP rankings since...maybe 2018? Big discrepancy there, and I can't fathom a good explanation for it.
 
dking68 said:
A guy with #2 in return stats for hard court and clay is left out. I feel sorry for everyone when Sinner peaks in 2 years time
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What returns stats does he have 2nd ?
He is already not too far to his peak, there is not much ceiling left even if he improves physically, he is a Berdych level player
 
dking68 said:
He’s ranked number 2 in return stats in the last 52 weeks on Clay and Hard
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RPW% ? He is not the first to be on a high RPW%, that doesn't guarantee he will win slams. His serve is weak, his footwork is bad, he is not a great athlete, he is already 22, time is running out for him to get athletically better.
 
Razer said:
RPW% ? He is not the first to be on a high RPW%, that doesn't guarantee he will win slams. His serve is weak, his footwork is bad, he is not a great athlete, he is already 22, time is running out for him to get athletically better.
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Yes his serve is weak. I think if he improves greatly on that, he will be a multiple slam winner
 
weakera said:
Tsitsipas is having a weird career but his peak is proven to be fairly high and on par with that of his generational contemporaries.
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In fairness to him, His forehand is a hugely underrated weapon. I would genuinely put his forehand as one of, if not the best on the tour right now but it's so let down by his backhand that it's hard to praise him that much. It's like when the tennis gods made his body scale, they put all the weights on one side and were like, yup, that'll do.

Still, Zverev, Medvedev "of his gen" are still better all-rounders and that's why they've done better. All you need to do to beat Tsitsipas is force him to hit backhands.
 
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