Rate these players (video included)

Photoshop

Professional
The guy in white shirt seems to have pretty reliable serves, other than that his game is like 2.5 but overall ~3.0. The other guy seems to be about the same.
lol.

both 3.5 at least - their backhands aren't anything spectacular but their serves and forehands are pretty good. They seem pretty slow for their age which I thought was around mid 20
 

madmanfool

Semi-Pro
Their serves are ok, seems to be the best shot for both guys. But the footwork..They struggle a lot with their positioning. A lot of times they stand too close to the ball. I would say both guys are the same level, but don't ask me wath ntrp this is, i have no idea.
 

patrick922

Semi-Pro
you are pushing it when you call these guys at least 3.5. When they can't rally consistently more than 6 shots, I honestly don't think they are 3.5+ in my book.

patrick922, overrate much ?
thier strokes looks decent.... well at least the one in the grey without the hat.

the guy with the grey is at least a 3.5..... and the guy in the white maybe a 3.0 or so.
 

In D Zone

Hall of Fame
The guy on the grey shirt is about 3.5. The guy on the white shirt is definitely between 2.5 to 3.0.

White shirt guy forehand lacks consistency, power and control. Footwork and form are definitely not there, he's too busy chasing the ball around. No back hand, and playing too close to the baseline (don't know how to step back on deep balls).

Grey Shirt guy was totally dominating the game and was in control of the game - he managed to move his opponent around and was playing it safe to win the game.

Both have consistent serve but it lacks the power and positioning that you would see when playing a 3.5 player.
 
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kevhen

Hall of Fame
I would say strong 3.5. They don't hit hard but can rally with some placement and do attack under control. Footwork is often flat footed but they do get serves and overheads in. Better footwork (on toes and knees bent and ready to move) and they are both 4.0.
 

nyc

Hall of Fame
I would say 3.5 at the most. Consistent serves, inconsistent depth, and notice how both their games crumble when they get under pressure.
 

jasoncho92

Professional
Im always surprised for some reason whenever people like this get rated 3.5 or something. I woulda thought 2.5 but i always rate too low
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
i was going to say 3.0, but their serving is pretty good. looks to me like they took lessons on serving, then ran out of money for lessons on backhands lol
 

LuckyR

Legend
I would say 3.5 at the most. Consistent serves, inconsistent depth, and notice how both their games crumble when they get under pressure.

This is correct. The "3.5 at least" comments are off in the sense that they are implying that they could be 4.0s, which IMO would be extremely unlikely since the two aspects of their game that come through to me in the video are: nonclassic stroke style and inconsistency, especially with deep shots. It would be the rare individual who could compete in 4.0s (in my area anyway) with both of those liabilities.

By saying "3.5 at most", they are probably good 3.0s, who if they had a great mental game, physical fitness or some other intangible, could compete in the 3.5s
 

luckyfool

New User
i was going to say 3.0, but their serving is pretty good. looks to me like they took lessons on serving, then ran out of money for lessons on backhands lol
haha, then again the video is all clipped into small segments...we are probably getting only the serves that went in. Anyone who rates these guys 3.5+ obviously hasn't played a real 3.5+.
 

goober

Legend
3.5 but could play in a 4.5 league in a state where tennis is not predominant.
4.5? What state would that be? :D

I prefer giving strengths and weaknesses rather than getting hung up on ratings (which are meaningless in overall scheme of things)

Strengths : Decent club level serve good spin with some pace. The guy in white seem to have a good approach shot and was good at the net. I am guessing he won the match.

liabilities: backhand for both. Ground strokes overall could use more depth, pace and consistency. Movement- they are way too slow for how young they look and how they both look like they are in ok shape.

Good news is that they are young and have a lot of time to work on their game :D
 
I just hope that's not how I look when I play...
When you're actually playing it feels like you are a lot better, but to others you look not nearly as good.
 

heycal

Hall of Fame
What NTRP rating would you give these two, both the guy in the gray shirt and the one in white?

Also, feel free to provide any criticism/analysis of either player's technique.

Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbqnMbBqJ6Q
I'd say they are weak both 3.0's at best who need to work on their consistency.

That being said, I must give my usual caveat and say that I have not watched the video or even read the other posts in this thread.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
haha, then again the video is all clipped into small segments...we are probably getting only the serves that went in. Anyone who rates these guys 3.5+ obviously hasn't played a real 3.5+.
thats true, but the serves that went in were pretty decent. but yea not over 3.5 definitely.
 

goober

Legend
I just hope that's not how I look when I play...
When you're actually playing it feels like you are a lot better, but to others you look not nearly as good.
Video yourself- I'll bet you that you will be surprised by how slow you look, how bad your strokes are compared to what you think they look like. I did it once and I was pretty shocked. I am sure if posted it most people would rate me pretty low. But if they saw my tournament record they would be pretty surprised.
 

goober

Legend
My point has been proved over and over on these boards when vids of player with known rankings and official computer ratings in amateur, college and pro levels have been posted and people have rated them 2-3 levels below. Do a search this topic has been beaten to death, yet people still do the same thing so there is no point in adding another video. You didn't believe the guy playing 4.0 #1 singles in New Jersey was a 4.0 even though he has a winning record and an official rating, so what would change if I posted my video?
 

Jay27

Rookie
perfect example of 3.0...not 3.5, not 2.5.
I think you're right on. They have some tendencies to play at a lower leveled 3.5, but most strokes, shots, vollies are 3.0 for certain. Keep in mind, it isn't difficult to return shots that have a little topspin, no pace, and hit very short in the middle of the court. Guys in our area 3.5 league would demolish these two with no problems whatsoever.

The only parts I would say look to be 3.5ish are their serves and a few strokes. Their serves don't have a whole lot of pace, but they're decent...not bad form for 3.0 at all.

Definitely not 2.5's and definitely not 3.5 or 3.5+. Footwork is a HUGE problem for these guys, but that will eventually develop the more they play and the better they get. But, my opinion stinks...LOL.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
My point has been proved over and over on these boards when vids of player with known rankings and official computer ratings in amateur, college and pro levels have been posted and people have rated them 2-3 levels below. Do a search this topic has been beaten to death, yet people still do the same thing so there is no point in adding another video. You didn't believe the guy playing 4.0 #1 singles in New Jersey was a 4.0 even though he has a winning record and an official rating, so what would change if I posted my video?
what guy in NJ at #1 singles??? the 4.0 guy? you said he was in maryland, not new jersey. i think you just dont want to post a video of you because you are probably a 2.5
 
The guy in white shirt seems to have pretty reliable serves, other than that his game is like 2.5 but overall ~3.0. The other guy seems to be about the same.
You must be trying to build your own game up because as rusty as these two yokels look, they are not 2.5. That's as low as you can go in most leagues. Their forehands alone make them a little better.
 

goober

Legend
what guy in NJ at #1 singles??? the 4.0 guy? you said he was in maryland, not new jersey. i think you just dont want to post a video of you because you are probably a 2.5
I thought he was in Maryland but when I went back to the orginal thread the OP said it was New Jersey.

Lol I have already played 3 players on this forum from different parts of the country and I have a computer rating from playing USTA for 2 years so I think I have a pretty good idea of my NTRP. :p
 

shindemac

Hall of Fame
agreed. Good assesment.
I agree, but it's probably only 4.5 in alaska. Or canada.

Both of them use consistency as a weapon. It may not seem like a long rally, but a baseline bashing 3.5 would lose the points so fast. Their serves are consistent too, unless there's been video editing. But their backhands are awful. Neither of them show any gameplan or point building. Only one of them has shown any variety in his game, but even then it was not too good.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
I thought he was in Maryland but when I went back to the orginal thread the OP said it was New Jersey.

Lol I have already played 3 players on this forum from different parts of the country and I have a computer rating from playing USTA for 2 years so I think I have a pretty good idea of my NTRP. :p
gotcha. where are you located? lets see the records baby
 

Anton

Legend
3.5
You have achieved improved stroke dependability with directional control on moderate shots, but need to develop depth and variety. You exhibit more aggressive net play, have improved court coverage and are developing teamwork in doubles.

With more solid backhands and a bit more shot angling they'd be 4.0
 

kck123

New User
I don't know. Everyone seems to think the grey guy is better, but I believe the white shirt guy is better. He moves a lot better. They both really suck, but you have to give it to them for posting this. It looks like they are playing at 6am or something.

White shirt - 4.0
Grey shirt - 3.0
 

Tempyst

Semi-Pro
I actually enjoy watching this video than others. Good camera placement, editing, quality, and I guess it's cause I'm around their level of play and I can relate to what they can and cannot do. :)
 

ksqwqb

New User
I don't know. Everyone seems to think the grey guy is better, but I believe the white shirt guy is better. He moves a lot better. They both really suck, but you have to give it to them for posting this. It looks like they are playing at 6am or something.

White shirt - 4.0
Grey shirt - 3.0
Are you friggin' crazy?!?! That grey guy would kill the white guy! Grey guy looks about 22-23, probably benches about 325, runs a 4.4 40. White guy looks to be in his early 40's, slow as molasses, probly just took up tennis a week or two ago. I dunno know, just my opinion . . .
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Are you friggin' crazy?!?! That grey guy would kill the white guy! Grey guy looks about 22-23, probably benches about 325, runs a 4.4 40. White guy looks to be in his early 40's, slow as molasses, probly just took up tennis a week or two ago. I dunno know, just my opinion . . .
LOL. Now we have posters who are trying to figure out how much a player in a video would be able to bench press and how fast they may be able to run the 40 yard dash. This post is hysterical. Thanks for the chuckle. :)
 

onehandbh

Legend
Are you friggin' crazy?!?! That grey guy would kill the white guy! Grey guy looks about 22-23, probably benches about 325, runs a 4.4 40. White guy looks to be in his early 40's, slow as molasses, probly just took up tennis a week or two ago. I dunno know, just my opinion . . .
Has the Grey guy considered trying to get a tryout for an NFL team?
He could try out as a cornerback if he can run a 4.4 40 and
bench 325.

Here are the 10 top 40 times for this years NFL combines (among running
backs)

1. Chris Henry Arizona 4.40
2. Adrian Peterson Oklahoma 4.40
3. Antonio Pittman Ohio St. 4.40
4. Kenny Irons Auburn 4.45
5. Lorenzo Booker Florida St 4.46
6. Marshawn Lynch Cal 4.46
7. DeShawn Wynn Florida 4.48
8. Alonzo Coleman Hampton 4.49
9. Ramonce Taylor Texas 4.50
10. Kolby Smith Louisville 4.51

Must be the video making him appear to be less than the elite athlete
that he is. Get him in contact with an NFL scout pronto. He could making
a lot of money.
 

ksqwqb

New User
1. Chris Henry Arizona 4.40
2. Adrian Peterson Oklahoma 4.40
3. Antonio Pittman Ohio St. 4.40
4. Kenny Irons Auburn 4.45
5. Lorenzo Booker Florida St 4.46
6. Marshawn Lynch Cal 4.46
7. DeShawn Wynn Florida 4.48
8. Alonzo Coleman Hampton 4.49
9. Ramonce Taylor Texas 4.50
10. Kolby Smith Louisville 4.51


Only two I've seen play are Peterson and Taylor. But honestly I agree, any of those guys probably gives grey guy a pretty good match.
 
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