Raz needs same number of GS to equal Nole than Spain to surpass the US (Open Era)

[Jav]

17, for those who despise Maths

Credits to u/Tennist4ts

 

[jackson vile]

Wow, USA has an incredible record.

 

[RaulRamirez]

It's also kind of amazing that despite Australia's enormous legacy, Fed equaled their slam output.
Does Australia only have 20 in the OE? Of course, they have many beforehand.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

Raz can’t surpass past champions simply because you surpass only your era players.

 

[Jav]

Raz can’t surpass past champions simply because you surpass only your era players.

Obviously talking about GS tally there.

Whether it’s your primary or only metric is another debate.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Unbelievable how the USA has fallen. They had the generation of Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang and then only Roddick, who was seen as a disappointment because of not being as good as them, but now he looks like a legend compared to what came after.

 

[Moose Malloy]

It's also kind of amazing that despite Australia's enormous legacy, Fed equaled their slam output.
Does Australia only have 20 in the OE? Of course, they have many beforehand.

I mean in the last 50 years the only Aussie major champs were Cash, Rafter, Hewitt(with a combined 5 majors). Australia's legacy is mostly built on the 50s/60s. I remember players like Cahill, Masur, Stoltenberg and Fromberg were their top players for a few years in 90s.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

Obviously talking about GS tally there.

Whether it’s your primary or only metric is another debate.

Unfortunately there’s no metric that can adjust for all eras , competition ,conditions and other factors. Novak will end up as best of big 3 since he stopped them and rose to the top, same goes for Sampras he retired as the best and record holder, now Carlos will most likely do the same in his own era. Novak has no control over what happens after his retirement so even if Raz ends up with 1-2 more slams than him he won’t be any less equal than Carlos. In a nutshell you can only be greater of your own era.

 

[Jav]

Unfortunately there’s no metric that can adjust for all eras , competition ,conditions and other factors. Novak will end up as best of big 3 since he stopped them and rose to the top, same goes for Sampras he retired as the best and record holder, now Carlos will most likely do the same in his own era. Novak has no control over what happens after his retirement so even if Raz ends up with 1-2 more slams than him he won’t be any less equal than Carlos. In a nutshell you can only be greater of your own era.

Imo he had it at least in Wimbledon 2023. 2024 and 2025 he overperformed and had his body letting him down, probably couldn’t have done much more.

Whether that ends up turning the equivalent of Wimbledon 2019 or AO 2012 in terms of legacy, well. Who knows. But wouldn’t underestimate the effect of +1GS and -1GS for your “intergenerational rival”. These finals count twice.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

Imo he had it at least in Wimbledon 2023. 2024 and 2025 he overperformed and had his body letting him down, probably couldn’t have done much more.

Whether that ends up turning the equivalent of Wimbledon 2019 or AO 2012 in terms of legacy, well. Who knows. But wouldn’t underestimate the effect of +1GS and -1GS for your “intergenerational rival”. These finals count twice.

Well their era inter lapped but they’re not from same era when age difference is 16 years between them.ill agree to GoAT unless we develop objective metrics that applies everywhere and we can be sure 100% that how players would perform against competitions across all eras.

 

[Hitman]

It's also kind of amazing that despite Australia's enormous legacy, Fed equaled their slam output.
Does Australia only have 20 in the OE? Of course, they have many beforehand.

Just off of top of my head

Laver 5
Hewitt 2
Rafter 2
Cash 1

That is 10

 

[Moose Malloy]

Just off of top of my head

Laver 5
Hewitt 2
Rafter 2
Cash 1

That is 10

Odd you would forget Rosewall after just making a thread about Novak passing him in some oldest ever stats. Also Newcombe won 5 majors in OE.

 

[I get cramps]

What puzzles me is the lack of international recognition for Spanish tennis, given its results since 1993.

Despite having ridiculously few resources for training players compared to countries such as the US, the UK, France and Australia, the Czech Republic, Sweden and Spain have produced champions in the Open era with a smaller or disproportionately smaller population.
Yet they have received no reward from the ITF for these achievements.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/which-slam-will-be-the-next-one-in-having-a-local-champion.775415/post-18385235

This is for a number of reasons.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Odd you would forget Rosewall after just making a thread about Novak passing him in some oldest ever stats. Also Newcombe won 5 majors in OE.

Definitely Newk with 5, and how many OE for Rosewall? I'm too lazy to look it up and my memory's failing me.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Okay: Rosewall - 4; Newk - 5; Rocket - 5;
Edmondson - 1; Cash - 1; Rafter - 2; Hewitt - 2.

 

[Counter-pusher]

US has produced 13 different slam winners in the Open Era, Spain only eight (one more than Australia despite having nearly twice the population). The count is a bit skewed because of the till-then unseen dominance of Federer-Djokovic-Nadal at their primes.

 

[I get cramps]

US has produced 13 different slam winners in the Open Era, Spain only eight (one more than Australia despite having nearly twice the population). The count is a bit skewed because of the till-then unseen dominance of Federer-Djokovic-Nadal at their primes.

Population of the United States: 340.1 million.

Population of Spain: 48.81 million.

'People don't realise what a great privilege and unfair advantage it is to hold Grand Slams in the same four countries all the time. It's like having the World Cup in the same country forever.' – Branko Milanovic.

Let's discuss the curious case of Sweden.

 

[Hitman]

Odd you would forget Rosewall after just making a thread about Novak passing him in some oldest ever stats. Also Newcombe won 5 majors in OE.

That is true. Clearly I didn't think it through.

 

[DSH]

Population of the United States: 340.1 million.

Population of Spain: 48.81 million.

'People don't realise what a great privilege and unfair advantage it is to hold Grand Slams in the same four countries all the time. It's like having the World Cup in the same country forever.' – Branko Milanovic.

Let's discuss the curious case of Sweden.

After Soderling's premature retirement, Sweden has not had a player who can occasionally surprise the best and fight to win a Major title.

 

[SonnyT]

I mean in the last 50 years the only Aussie major champs were Cash, Rafter, Hewitt(with a combined 5 majors). Australia's legacy is mostly built on the 50s/60s. I remember players like Cahill, Masur, Stoltenberg and Fromberg were their top players for a few years in 90s.

Unbelievable how the USA has fallen. They had the generation of Sampras/Agassi/Courier/Chang and then only Roddick, who was seen as a disappointment because of not being as good as them, but now he looks like a legend compared to what came after.

Americans and Aussies should enroll in Nada's academy to learn how to play BL tennis.