Real talk re: moderator "favoritism" on GPPD/TTW.
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sbengte
G.O.A.T.
A big applause to diredesire for creating this thread to discuss some of the lesser known policies on moderation, deletion, bans and reporting. Clarified a lot of things which were otherwise unknown.
I also see the mods have done a great job in cleaning up. The place is almost eerily quiet as a result now
I also see the mods have done a great job in cleaning up. The place is almost eerily quiet as a result now
syke
Professional
Funny that one of the guys who posted within this thread has already been banned.
Dire does a great job of keeping a lid on this asylum. There are some clearly crazy people who post here. I guess they have internet access at the sanitarium?
If the software allows, I think a good idea would be a daily post limit. Say 20 posts max per day. Or, 10. That seems like plenty and a limit would act like a governor on an engine; it would discourage trolling, over posting, spamming, etc.
Anyway, we all owe a debt to Dire because he does this VOLUNTARILY in his spare time. He has a real job and does this for "fun." TT is very lucky to have him around.
Exactly... How about limiting the number posts allowed each day according to the poster's status? Rookie - 5 posts a day... Professional - 10 posts a day... so on and so forth..
Anyone gets banned and returns, has his/her status back to Rookie.
Could try that on the General Pro Discussion
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
You actually can. If enough people 'vote' for banning a poster by reporting him/her citing reasons, I think the mods do look into it and take action.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Tushy, those early days on this forum weren't exactly your best ones. I remember your threads getting deleted -- i can't recall exactly -- but some titles were like "Please don't ban me i am afraid" or similarThanx for the response.It showed me saying,"You are banned because of inappropriate post". It would be helpful if you can clarify for which post you are being banned.I hope you can get a sticky for such stuff,mentioning all the rules and policies.
You were getting into tiffs with people, getting very offended over anything about Nadal or the word "tush". Now you've mellowed down, so forget about your youthful, revolutionary days here Not sure if this will work. Because for someone who has the urge to post more but limited for that day, he or she may not resist from creating another account. Especially when they are cutoff during a heated discussion.
tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
Tushy, those early days on this forum weren't exactly your best ones. I remember your threads getting deleted -- i can't recall exactly -- but some titles were like "Please don't ban me i am afraid" or similar
LOL,no.But I did create few threads similar to that.As i have grown old I have realized that there's more to life than just trolling here.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Maybe we should have a separate Fanboy section -- seriously -- where you can create all the "is the GOAT", "is the best", etc threads you want. Possibly, along with silly threads like "Donald Young to win Wimbledon".
Any such threads found in GPPD will just get moved there. This should require no change in the software. Or else just move all adulatory threads to the Odds and Ends. Somehow, I've found that to be very effective.
Any such threads found in GPPD will just get moved there. This should require no change in the software. Or else just move all adulatory threads to the Odds and Ends. Somehow, I've found that to be very effective.
Sure, why don't you sponsor the contest.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Dire,
Seriously wish to suggest that new users not be allowed to create threads. Not only will that take care of marketing spam but also of ridiculous threads. Most of the threads being created today are by users who have just joined.
At least 50 or 100 posts should be there before a user can create.
Seriously wish to suggest that new users not be allowed to create threads. Not only will that take care of marketing spam but also of ridiculous threads. Most of the threads being created today are by users who have just joined.
At least 50 or 100 posts should be there before a user can create.
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
I think that's a great idea, but I think 110 is a much more appropriate number...
I do wonder how a thread like 'best legs and other female bits' or whatever it is can survive.
I am sure many, many people would find this much more offensive than some of the 'insult's or 'abuse' for which people have found themselves banned..
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Good idea. Other things like getting the 'edit' option for your post requires a certain minimum no. of posts, so don't see why creating threads shouldn't have a similar restriction.
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
I guess the issue with that is many posters only join to use the For Sale/Trade section. Maybe that could be excepted?
(I have no idea if that is even possible..)
(I have no idea if that is even possible..)
sdont
Legend
Goading and Trolling by definition is putting some bait out, and hoping someone will take it. This generally means that a "skilled" troll will work within the guidelines of the rules. If you see someone trolling, definitely bring it to our attention, we encourage it. (Like I said above, though, it's good to note an established pattern of behavior, way easier to work with)
These posts aren't "auto deletes" since they're not strictly in violation of the rules, but if we decide that ill-intent is present, we'll deal with it accordingly
Trolling CAN sometimes fall under the spam rule (specifically off topic trolling), but if it's obvious, and a repeated pattern, definitely go for it.
Thanks for the answer. The most annoying trolls are indeed the most "slippery".
DragonBlaze
Hall of Fame
This is actually a really good idea. It would be awesome if it could be implemented. If one thinks that is too harsh, maybe only apply that rule to this section and Pro match results.
Otherwise I think you are doing a fantastic job diredesire!!
I do wonder though, are you bald? Because if I was in your position of moderating these boards, I would surely have pulled all my hair out by now considering the sheer lunacy of some people
vernonbc
Legend
Couldn't agree more. There are very few Nadal fans left on this forum as they have been chased away by the constant insults. I'm one of them and this is the first time I've posted in months. I'm a positive poster, a big fan of Nadal, don't get into juvenile taunting and back and forth and yet I have never been so insulted and mocked as I have here. I'm with diredesire in that I find the term **** very offensive, have never used it, but have been called it multiple times.
I'd love to have a well moderated forum where Nadal fans (and Murray fans, and Roddick fans, and Delpo fans and Ferru fans and many others) could feel comfortable posting without being overwhelmed and insulted by the Federer fans but the mods would have to have a very very heavy hand to get rid of a whole bunch of posters who never contribute anything intelligent and yet have 9000 posts of insults to other posters. Someone like Gorecki for instance and there are a number of others. Occasionally an intelligent discussion about tennis will break out but it doesn't last long before the youngsters come in with their insults and name calling.
I don't find anything wrong with them either. There have been any number of over zealous Rafa fans banned just because they make a lot of pro-Rafa posts. NSK can be very enthusiastic and post a lot but you're right, he's not a fighter in spite of being almost constantly insulted and baited.
Many Fedfans tend to get riled up when Nadal's name in mentioned. I know. I have felt their wrath many times but you can check my posting history and my posts are generally respectful and attempt to add to or start a discussion. I'd like to post here more often but the childish insults and taunting is not funny and I have better places to waste my time. If the mods do ever manage to get the site cleaned up, I'd be happy to come back.
syke
Professional
I couldn't agree more...
You Fed KAD's are hilarious. He wins one tournament and you're off into lala land. He's not going to get #2 from Rafa, he'll be lucky to hang on to #3. In 2011 and 2012 Fed and Rafa played five times and Fed won once indoors. Rafa beat him twice on clay and twice on hard. Rafa played Murray five times and beat him four, on clay, hard and grass. He played Delpo three times and beat him three times, on clay, hard and grass. If anything, Rafa's playing even better this year than last and he'll likely get to #1 sooner rather than later. But dream on.
well changin the rule bout not bannin ppl 4 stupid threads would help
or u could start subforums for top players like nadz, fed, djok to put the endless threads about them in. would get rid of a lot of the mindless fanboys off the front page. makes em easier 2 ignore 4 normal posters, n gives other threads a bit more visibility.
get bitten by a radioactive spider
so dont read em
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Unfortunately, legitimate reasons, and banned members returning for honest discussion are rare on this board. Too many invest already hypersensitve emotions into players and so-called enemies of that player, so its not long before the banned 2nd chance member reverts to type, because they cannot help themselves, nor do they wish to curb their tendencies to flame and troll.
ductrung3993
Hall of Fame
Recently the "pro match results discussion" has been so much cleaner, thank you very much. For future's sake, please keep your eyes on "jackson vile" also, thanks.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Fed's one slam loss away from LOLville spamming/resurrecting threads about him.
DragonBlaze
Hall of Fame
DUDE, that's exactly what I was thinking. We can solve half the crap that goes on by just censoring the word "GOAT".
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
"Let's remove the lie that the BOAT thrived in a poor age!"
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Some would just find a substitute name, and it starts all over again.
diredesire
Moderator
I tried contacting the technical administrator of the board, but no response. I'll dig into this deeper in the near future.
I think GPPD is the only forum that would really require this. Problems i see are: Match discussion threads. I'm unsure of how difficult it would be to place policies like this in place, but I'll ask around. I don't have the power to implement suggestions like these. I'll roll it up to the admins and bounce the idea around.
LOL,no.But I did create few threads similar to that.As i have grown old I have realized that there's more to life than just trolling here.
There's a feel to our community, IMHO. Many new posters are overly aggressive, but I think if they were to step back and take a look at the board, it is mostly overwhelmingly positive in nature. This is the real reason I want to give people a second chance. We are a community, and I think once people understand how our community behaves for the most part, things would calm down.
I'll pitch it again. I haven't started the discussions with the admin staff as to why this was never tried in the past, but I'm sure there's a good reason.
In all honesty, though, making any message board harder to use in general alienates a certain portion of the audience. I'll have to think about accessibility issues for a while, first...
I think that thread was actually in response to the female analog thread of it, IIRC. It's a gigantic thread (that's easy to avoid, if you find it offensive), and I'd actually say most of the feedback and content in the thread is much, much more positive "on average" than other GPPD content. Even if it were on my radar to "fix," there are better things (for the board as a whole) to focus on.
Yeah, I think FS/T is an interesting one. Other boards I'm active on (namely tech forums) require a ~100 min post count to use their classifieds, to reduce the flyby scammers. It is sort of a great idea, but sort of terrible, too. Not sure the best way to go about this.
I don't really take criticism directed towards me very personally, I try to improve myself (in general) on a day to day basis. I actually welcome people to e-mail me if they have issues with how i'm handling things, since it's not generally accepted to discuss moderation on the boards. As far as lunacy, I think things would be solved by the most intense posters just to take a step back and look at the board from a distance. We're all here because we love tennis as a whole, and I think finding the common ground and understanding/acknowledging it is key to appreciating one another. But then there are the zealots out there that cause our common ground to become polarized... (these are the people that need to take a step back, take a breath, then contribute to our common good).I do wonder though, are you bald? Because if I was in your position of moderating these boards, I would surely have pulled all my hair out by now considering the sheer lunacy of some people
Yeah, it's needed a cleaning for a while, but "laying down the law" is undesirable for many reasons. I don't want to be seen as a policeman that needs to be feared. I actually think overall, one of the greatest values of this forum is the laidback nature which allows people to say things, even if it's unpopular. Spam is a different beast, but I'm trying to figure that out over time. Reports help, if I'm working with what I've got, though.
First of all, lets not get personal calling out individual posters. Second of all, while I agree with the spirit of your post, I think the victim mentality has to be erased before anyone can move forward. If you think that the federer fan "group" is not subject to the same issues that you are, I would have to argue that you have some tunnel-vision. I'm not partisan to any player, and I feel the moderation is pretty fair (duh). The only thing I can really say here is: Report more posts, and cite a specific rule.
Again, the spirit of your post resonates with me, but declaring victimization only serves to polarize the boards, and that's the opposite of what I am looking to do. Notice the wording above essentially implies: Nadal fans vs. everyone else. It should be tennis fans vs. ...? Just tennis fans.
... Why shouldn't people be banned for stupid threads? If they're not contributing, nor on topic, they are violating the rules (spam).
Sub-forums for specific players is a bit of an unrealistic ideal. We aren't looking to segregate people, and you can't have discussion without talking about opponents. Those boards would be filled with shallow content if we made them. I imagine trolls would also be 10x more effective, as their target audience is set aside nicely for them
Yep
That's why legitimate proxy browsing is the exception, not the rule.If you're invested in privacy, you should be browsing through a (possibly) paid VPN service, not an online proxy service. Online (free) proxy services are generally used by those who are trying to circumvent, not protect themselves.
Lets not make this personal, it only serves to put people on the defensive OR lash out. If you see a problem with any poster in the future (especially repeated patterns), just report.
Not realistic. While there's no definitive proof (nor will there ever be) that someone is an undisputed GOAT, choker, tanker, etc, people need to understand that discussion of these topics CAN be extremely valuable, and can serve to increase knowledge and understanding of your own "favorite" player. Debate is healthy, and it will only help expand your understanding, as long as it's not soiled with poorly reasoned arguments and name calling. I personally welcome debate, but not arguing.
The thing to keep in mind, though, is that there's no right answer, and it's OK to change your mind if someone exposes a weak point in your argument. If it makes you think about your stance, the debater is doing something right.
diredesire
Moderator
Yep, some thought needs to be put into this if it is ever to see the light of day. I could see this working strictly for GPPD, where new users almost never read the stickies/rules/policies and start spoiler threads in excitement. Definitely doesn't make sense in gear subforums (racquets/strings/tennis tips/instruction, etc).
I am all for limiting "new" posters to start a thread, but I think their maybe some new legit posters that might have product related questions. Probably be ideal to limit new thread creation in the General discussion and Match results threads, but probably would require more moderation work.
W.P. Mayhew
Semi-Pro
How about censoring the word ****? Change it automatically to bunny or something.
Being a new member but a longtime reader of the forums I agree with the proposal to limit new users to posting replies, at least on GPPD and the Pro match results. Bumping old threads also seems odd, maybe some kind of statute of limitations for threads would help.
It's nice to see moderators openly discussion this, thanks!
Being a new member but a longtime reader of the forums I agree with the proposal to limit new users to posting replies, at least on GPPD and the Pro match results. Bumping old threads also seems odd, maybe some kind of statute of limitations for threads would help.
It's nice to see moderators openly discussion this, thanks!
mikeler
Moderator
PCXL-Fan
Hall of Fame
The separation between serious and troll/delinquent posters is troll/delinquent posters ALWAYS create threads in the pro player discussion/results forum.
However, I do say that there is the threat of losing some top notch quality posters though. Some posters made fantastic 1st posts as thread creation like the guy who made those fantastic posts about borg or the coach who wrote that tennis training book.
However, I do say that there is the threat of losing some top notch quality posters though. Some posters made fantastic 1st posts as thread creation like the guy who made those fantastic posts about borg or the coach who wrote that tennis training book.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
They will simply use another word. It is their antisocial behavior which causes problems, and there is only one way to control that.
Also censoring the words like mongo or creature when referring to another poster. If you don't get along with someone(which is normal when you have hundreds of posters actively posting), still refer them by their username. We are all human.
vernonbc
Legend
The individual poster's name I called out was the first one that came to mind as an example of constant baiting and insults and lack of contribution to intelligent discussions. Check his history. There are a number of others, many of whom have been repeatedly reported but nothing is ever done so it has to be assumed that their style of posting is perfectly acceptable on this board. So be it. But it discourages respectful discourse and those people who wish to engage in it will find a different venue. Pretty sad when I come back to the board after a couple of months and find the same uninteresting inanity and the same kids taunting each other and calling each other names.
As to victim mentality, it's been well earned. Nadal and his fans take a ridiculous amount of abuse on these boards. That is a fact and most reasonable fans of other players would agree. It is also a fact that most Nadal fans have given up trying to have a reasonable discussion about him here and have moved on, me included. The 'federer fan "group" ' takes some abuse in the childish tit-for-tat that most threads degenerate into but the Fed fan group is by far the largest entity here and they often have a pack attack mentality which is evident in most threads but particularly any thread which tries to start out with something positive about Nadal. If you as a moderator can't see that, you're part of the problem and things are not likely to improve. That's unfortunate because there are some good knowledgeable people here and on rare occasions interesting discussions break out but that's the exception, not the norm.
It's not easy to be a moderator. I know that from experience. But respect for other posters has to be the bottom line and posts that don't meet that minimum threshold should be deleted and the posters warned that flaming, baiting, insulting, mocking, belittling, etc won't be tolerated. What worked well for us on one board was to leave the offending post up but with a mod message that the poster was being warned/temporarily banned/permanently banned for the content. That served to educate other posters as to what was acceptable or not and problems were minimized. Just a suggestion.
Federererer
Banned
As the OP pointed out. You simply have tunnel vision. Classic case. Love how all of these holier than nows are coming out of the woodwork and pointing fingers at all except themselves
.Federererer
Banned
This is grounds for a banning.
diredesire
Moderator
So when is it proper for people to take the high road? Sticking fingers in your ears and saying "Yeah, well he's still being a jerk!" seems to be to be a grade-school tactic that everyone employs, not just nadal fans (I'm not singling you out, here). If no one makes a change, we're going to see a lot of the same. I never stated anyone was/wasn't innocent. I've seen plenty of history, so there's no need to dismiss requests on the assumption I'm ignorant.
The transparency issue IS a problem, you ASSUME "nothing is ever done," but that's just insulting to me. I'm not going to ruin this thread with a "nyah nyah" situation, but to suggest that there's absolutely no poo-flinging from nadal fans is simply silly. You're no exception to this, either. EVERYONE has weak moments, no one is immune. If we want to improve the overall disposition of the forum, everyone's got to chip in. Is there problems that need to be fixed? Yes, of course, that's the point. Coming in and saying "Fed fans are ruining this forum!" doesn't really help me take any action. What do you propose I do about it?
Again, though, transparency is an issue, but it's a style choice, and I tend to respect it. If you've seen any locked threads that are left undeleted, it's probably my doing. It's a style choice I consciously make as a flag, as you mentioned.
... Thanks for the vote of confidence, I'll take that into consideration, I guess. The entire point of this thread is regarding favoritism, so I won't take this as a personal insult (however difficult that may be). Are you going to ignore the fact that either "camp" will post goading threads whenever their player wins a slam? It happens, and again, no "side" is immune to it. I'd actually argue that we do a pretty good job of cleaning up firefights from both sides, but obviously you disagree. Maybe it's not visible enough, I can agree to that, but if you think we don't put considerable time and effort into cleaning up garbage.. I don't really know what to say.
Lets step back for a moment, and lets assume that a player makes a wonderful point in a debate, 20 paragraphs with cited examples, statistics, relevant facts, etc. In the last line of their post, they call another user an idiot.
What is the correct action to take there as a moderator? What I am (essentially) handcuffed to do is: Delete the post, and ALL posts associated (quoting) it. We lose a lot of value if we just say "there's a minimum cutoff". I agree wholeheartedly that something needs to be done, but due to the limitations that I posted in the first post, I can't say the board will ever be perfect due to your criteria. Give me some things (preferably small, that I can do NOW) to try differently, and I'll try 'em. Telling me that all fedfans are ruining the board is not something I can work with (generalizations in general are what got us into this mess to begin with, no?)
diredesire, I'm going to point out that when Captain Karl was around as a moderator of this forum, he did not put up with nearly as much bullcrap as you do. You let so much slide it is absolutely hilarious (even from me, as I step over the line quite abit all the time because I KNOW you and the other moderators let alot slide).
When Captain Karl was indeed the moderator, he simply didn't allow any trolling to continue on, and would immediately punish anyone for even flame baiting people. IMO, what needs to be done is that you simply need to step up to the plate and lock the forum down. I think you're trying to let people slide with far too much, and it really does need to stop. Various "factions" on this forum have gone way too far on countless of occasions, and it is time that somebody puts an end to it.
When Captain Karl was indeed the moderator, he simply didn't allow any trolling to continue on, and would immediately punish anyone for even flame baiting people. IMO, what needs to be done is that you simply need to step up to the plate and lock the forum down. I think you're trying to let people slide with far too much, and it really does need to stop. Various "factions" on this forum have gone way too far on countless of occasions, and it is time that somebody puts an end to it.
diredesire
Moderator
Monsieur Desire, you were more mystical when you didn't say much
I don't have a high postcount for how long i've been around, but I would say my average post length is at least two orders of magnitude longer than the average (in character count) Ever been to the Stringing Techniques subforum?
As a moderator, that requires time, as it's more of my job to delete, rather than to ban. While I'm now able to ban more easily, it's not necessarily in my "job description," to. I like to leave the majority of the "control" of the board to the admins, this is a site directly related to their business, afterall. KK spent a LOT of time and energy doing so, and where he was at in his life allowed him to do so. I thought KK was a pretty great mod, though. Responding to this thread alone demands much more time and attention than is reasonable for something I do "on the side." (I'm a professional engineer
)Edit: This might make me sound lazy and as if I don't care. I still spend plenty of time, but I'm not out to get in people's faces and wag my finger at them. I don't think I'm better than anyone else, even a crappy opinion sometimes has some value to it.
If you're toeing the line just for fun, I'd argue that you could probably find more productive things to do with your time. I'm happier letting things slide. I'd rather have a 100% rate of deletions/deserved bans rather than having to wonder if I'm suppressing people's opinions. I prefer the laid back approach, it's a style choice
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Logged in to say I saw your edit of my post, I wouldn't have mentioned anyone's name except the thread title makes it sound like that was the kind of feedback you were looking for.
And to say once again, I think you're a great mod, the other mods who used to mod with you probably had good intentions but almost everyone hated it and it was stifling the board, and favouritism of a clique of posters was a particular problem.
I pretty much only post here during the grand slam season in the summer and during the AO. And for a period of 2008 to 2010 the board was dying, traffic seemed really slow and there were less native english speaking posters.
Since you became the only remaining mod and started allowing people to actually post for more than 3 weeks without getting banned, the board has picked up again hugely. I don't really mind the Nadal/Federer trolls. I don't understand why people get so upset at people who disagree with them. We're all just here to Talk Tennis with other people who love this sport as much as we do. It's just a bit of fun. Who wants to have a conversation where everyone agrees? that would be boring.
I think a lot of people who want strict modding imagine that everyone who disagrees with them will be banned. In reality, to impartial viewers we all look equally crazy.
I'll finish this post (which is WAY too long!) by telling everyone who wants strict modding again to look at an old thread: 50-75% of the posters in it will be banned.It was TERRIBLE the way it was before.
And to say once again, I think you're a great mod, the other mods who used to mod with you probably had good intentions but almost everyone hated it and it was stifling the board, and favouritism of a clique of posters was a particular problem.
I pretty much only post here during the grand slam season in the summer and during the AO. And for a period of 2008 to 2010 the board was dying, traffic seemed really slow and there were less native english speaking posters.
Since you became the only remaining mod and started allowing people to actually post for more than 3 weeks without getting banned, the board has picked up again hugely. I don't really mind the Nadal/Federer trolls. I don't understand why people get so upset at people who disagree with them. We're all just here to Talk Tennis with other people who love this sport as much as we do. It's just a bit of fun. Who wants to have a conversation where everyone agrees? that would be boring.
I think a lot of people who want strict modding imagine that everyone who disagrees with them will be banned. In reality, to impartial viewers we all look equally crazy.
I'll finish this post (which is WAY too long!) by telling everyone who wants strict modding again to look at an old thread: 50-75% of the posters in it will be banned.It was TERRIBLE the way it was before.
Those posters 100% deserved it. I have treaded the line plenty of times even when KK was around and I got banned ONCE and deservedly so.
vernonbc
Legend
Good post.
I didn't suggest that Nadal fans were angels. Never said it and if that's what you read into it, then I can see why there's an overall problem. And also, if you can't see the preponderance of Federer fans on this forum, that's a problem too. Not the number of Federer fans - that's not a problem - but the number of Federer fans who gang up to put down Nadal fans. It's there. Pretending that behaviour doesn't exist won't resolve anything and it's a false equivalence to imply that the poo-flinging is equal on both sides.
So you're saying that your only option is to delete the whole post? If so, you are indeed handcuffed and I'm not surprised that there is a problem with the forum. The obvious answer to your question about what action to take, to me, is to give the poster a warning, IN THE POST SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE, that in spite of all the good points said poster has made, name calling and insults will not be tolerated and will result in a ban in the future. It's how teachers and parents operate. Acknowledge the good stuff but put a stop to the bad but again, I think it's important that the admonition is done publicly so that other posters can see what is and isn't acceptable.
First and foremost, do not allow insults. Do not allow posters to call others ****s or idiots or other similar highbrow names. Do not allow other posters to taunt and call me a fangirl and tell me I should go to ************* if I want to say anything nice about Rafa. (All of the above have happened...often, as well as a lot of other crap.)
That alone would elevate the tone of the forum and would be a good start. There are plenty of smart posters who would try to get around that prohibition by using other words and phrases but the moderators are also smart and they can tell if the tone is derogatory and contributes nothing to the discussion except to get others riled up.
It depends on your point of view I suppose. I think as long as you aren't being abusive and threatening anything should go. I think all the baiting, borderline psychotic Federer/Nadal/Williams fans are pretty much obviously what a tennis message board is going to attract. People who are so fanatic about tennis they join a message board so they can talk with other tennis fans about tennis.
I don't really see the problem with that. Some people, like you and I, like the sport as a whole, and some people people are just fans of one player. Who cares? Some people in the former pro player section like to watch 30 year old matches and count the statistics (which are already displayed at the end of the match in a graphic box!!!) and talk about it. Seems pretty weird to me but who cares? They're tennis fans at the end of the day and if you like tennis you're alright by me.
What was happening was everyone who didn't conform with the old moderating teams views was getting banned. If a moderator posted in a thread that Federer had a great backhand and someone quoted him and disagreed, they would get banned in a different thread for a technicality. It just stifled discussion. I don't think the older mods had bad intentions, they might genuinely have believed that anyone who disagreed with what they felt was the obvious truth had to be a troll, but really, everyone should be allowed to express any opinion they want about tennis on a tennis discussion board.
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I don't have a high postcount for how long i've been around, but I would say my average post length is at least two orders of magnitude longer than the average (in character count) Ever been to the Stringing Techniques subforum?
I have been using Yonex ATG 850 pro for the longest time, I have hit with polys and didn't like it, other than that, I really don't know much about strings. I need to know more about them, and I don't string
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I'd like to disagree with some of you about KK. I know this is not relevant to this discussion, but he was hardly fair / objective. He posted in the R&R section quite a bit and forced his views on others, was very opinionated and could not tolerate an opposing view. OTOH, diredesire has a reputation of being fair ever since I've been on this forum.
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