tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
I hope some one can give "Aphex" a call back.I enjoyed his posts regardless of the venom he spewed against rafa.He got banned in sh*tty conditions, when he made a thread poking the mods of bais towards rafa fans.
Real talk re: moderator "favoritism" on GPPD/TTW.
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Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
harsh, brah.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Two questions for OP, a bit off-topic from the favortism theme, but was hoping while we may have your attention...
1. Last year an entire thread disappeared overnight, causing many contributors a lot of anguish and uncertainty as to why the whole thread was purged. I am referring to the JoelDali "Nike Sphere Isner Hat" in the Pro Racquets & Gear section. The rumor was one poster contributed inappropriate photography. If so, why was the whole thread scrubbed?
2. In computing post counts, do all posts count equally and is the count updated instantly? I have made at least 4 posts today and my tally hasn't changed a bit.
P.S. The count went up from this post, but not from my others??
1. Last year an entire thread disappeared overnight, causing many contributors a lot of anguish and uncertainty as to why the whole thread was purged. I am referring to the JoelDali "Nike Sphere Isner Hat" in the Pro Racquets & Gear section. The rumor was one poster contributed inappropriate photography. If so, why was the whole thread scrubbed?
2. In computing post counts, do all posts count equally and is the count updated instantly? I have made at least 4 posts today and my tally hasn't changed a bit.
P.S. The count went up from this post, but not from my others??
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Some political issue a year back wrt Israel and maybe some bombings. She posted about that and it was deleted. She added something to her sig and that was deleted. Maybe its better not to talk about it esp if we are gonna call her back.
You've begun contributing recently to the Odds and Ends and that section does not add to your post count. But please keep coming to the Music Game and Word Association thread.
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Deleted member 21996
Guest
Politics (real) got the best of her, followed by a thread "questioning mod's double standards"...
i miss her....
tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
Who was Malakas?? I hope we can get aphex back.I really miss him..
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Deleted member 21996
Guest
The lords of grammar work in misterious ways.
Malakas is a beautifull Fedfan Greek lady who used to post in this forum. back in the days when i was more hated by the *******s than the *******s. she was very funny, and there was a really funny gang of many sides that derailed the dumbest threads (Look of Conquistador, Fedace and RITG) kinda like your first times here... :twisted
those goons was me, Malakas, Sentinel, VLBJ, Fedex (my favourite murraytard), Aphex, Tarsier (missed Nadal fan), Daddy (massive Djok fan), Zagor, Blinkism, KSBH....
I do miss aphex, but he was quite an extreme troll, so I guess it's fair enough he got banned.
Also, TeflonTom, there's a pretty easy middle ground to occupy when writing your posts - I don't really see what you're trying to prove by alternating between writing garbled nonsense in one post, and then purposefully trying to write in an "impressive" way in another.
Also, TeflonTom, there's a pretty easy middle ground to occupy when writing your posts - I don't really see what you're trying to prove by alternating between writing garbled nonsense in one post, and then purposefully trying to write in an "impressive" way in another.
valiant
Hall of Fame
I know aphex at times trolled too much but he was a funny poster as well. I personally think there should not be a permanent ban. May be a poster can be banned for some weeks depending upon the situation.
Love all
Semi-Pro
I think it is due to deletion of the account by the user himself.
Polaris
Hall of Fame
I didn't know what happened to Malakas until now. I also hope she comes back, but it has been such a long time that she has probably moved on. Kinda sucks that she was banned for some political views rather than a tennis-related argument.
Another amazing poster who was banned a long time ago was Grimjack. He liked Marat Safin, really knew his tennis, and didn't take BS from anyone. I never found out what got him banned, but always wish that he came back.
Share Senti's opinion about Dire. I like the fact that Dire is laid-back and fair at the same time.
Another amazing poster who was banned a long time ago was Grimjack. He liked Marat Safin, really knew his tennis, and didn't take BS from anyone. I never found out what got him banned, but always wish that he came back.
Share Senti's opinion about Dire. I like the fact that Dire is laid-back and fair at the same time.
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jones101
Hall of Fame
I want GJ011 to come back, as well as Aphex & GrafSelesFan.
I will always have time for the fabulously insane MotherMarjorie, hope she can comeback too.
God, I miss the good old days, so much banter and fun round here. People were very witty and funniner then, now its lazy uninspiring trolling.
Oh, I also liked Davey25 & DFTW, but suspect they are still around:wink::wink:
I will always have time for the fabulously insane MotherMarjorie, hope she can comeback too.
God, I miss the good old days, so much banter and fun round here. People were very witty and funniner then, now its lazy uninspiring trolling.
Oh, I also liked Davey25 & DFTW, but suspect they are still around:wink::wink:
DoubleDeuce
Hall of Fame
diredesire,
I support unbanning Oddjack as well. I agree he overreacted but all of his threads disappeared while the same ones that were responses from ********* were not.
I support unbanning Oddjack as well. I agree he overreacted but all of his threads disappeared while the same ones that were responses from ********* were not.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I can quite often forgive a troll if they are witty and funny and posters like Aphex and MotherMarjorie would often make us laugh and that was their saving grace. So I was kinda sad to see them get banned.
It's the boring, tedious, predictable ones who open threads only to keep attacking a player they don't like, and keep coming back under various new aliases in order to keep doing so, that really get on my nerves. They should all be spotted and banned immediately INMHO.
It's the boring, tedious, predictable ones who open threads only to keep attacking a player they don't like, and keep coming back under various new aliases in order to keep doing so, that really get on my nerves. They should all be spotted and banned immediately INMHO.
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Deleted member 21996
Guest
she was not banned for her political views. she was banned because she broke one strong forum rule. no mod flaming!
reversef
Hall of Fame
:roll: All the banned "*********" can come back, this is what I suggest!:???:
Yep, this is why I'd only recommend implementing this limit in GPPD. Match discussion should be encouraged, and I've seen great play by play threads (they move way too quickly to actually attempt to follow, though). Like I said, things need to be hashed out and thought about before this can be a reality (if it ever does).
There's a fine line between trolling and discussing controversial statements. I personally don't interpret doping accusations as against the rules, BUT discussion of such generally leads to a flame war because there's a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding the discussion, none of which can be proven.
Furthermore, since this message board is not published as fact, and is only a discussion board, the content here should not be categorized as "libel." Defamation? Sure. However, if there is ever an actual discussion of doping, impacts on the pro world, and people can actually talk about it in a level headed manner, I have absolutely no problem with this. Flamewars are obviously going to be dealt with as they come (as usual!). With that said, if a discussion is attempted, and it devolves into a flame war, posters initiating said flame war will be dealt with as necessary (this includes overreactions, etc). The rules state not to get personal, but in my eyes, this is on a user-to-user level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
Thanks! Have malakas contact the admins, if you have any contact with her! If a user is/was a valuable contributor, chances are they'll get a second chance. Some old contributors are back in business just recently, if you look closely
Yep, it's trolling. It's honestly not useful to discuss ideas with people who aren't open to them.As far as "equality," though, there have actually been many implications over the course of time of Fed doping, too (I know because I have deleted many of these threads). It should be noted, though, that the topic itself isn't what got the thread deleted, it's the content/devolving into a flamewar that did.
When all is said and done, if you see a doping flamewar, just report it, and it'll disappear. I'm actually interested if a civil doping discussion thread COULD exist (I have my doubts). I think it'd be nice if there were less finger pointing, but it's not an outrageous discussion topic in my eyes (big picture, here, with no investment in any given player). Long story short: Ideally, it's OK to talk about, but it always ends up in a flame war (which is not something I can control), so in general, these threads get axed.
A real doping discussion can never occur because a variety of Nadal fans automatically assume that the discussion is about him, even though there's not a hint of insinuation of it until the Nadal fans bring it up.
Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
diredesire and spencer do an excellent job modding the boards. They both have a good understanding of the board dynamics, and when to take action and when not to. The board would be relatively boring if it was over moderated.
The board is a microcosm of society, no matter what the mods do they can not change people, we will always have trolls, we will always have people posting just asking to be trolled upon so they can run to the mods and play the victim role. We will always have some self righteous tattletales just waiting for an opportunity to report anyone that does not like their hero. We will always have some individuals wasting their time on a futile propaganda mission for their favorite player.
The board doesn't need any more moderation, the posters that are distraught over the moderation of the board don't know how to interpret and read a discussion board, either because they are a little dense, don't read the board that often, or because it doesn't perfectly suit their agenda.
This is a general tennis discussion board not a fanboy/fangirl site for a persons favorite player, that said, posters need to learn they will face some hostility no matter who they support. It is to be somewhat expected, No?
If you read the board, take it like you take life, you will run into some knuckleheads, you will meet some good people, you will laugh, you will cry, but in the end we all end up banned, so you might as well enjoy the read good or bad while it lasts.
"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"
The board is a microcosm of society, no matter what the mods do they can not change people, we will always have trolls, we will always have people posting just asking to be trolled upon so they can run to the mods and play the victim role. We will always have some self righteous tattletales just waiting for an opportunity to report anyone that does not like their hero. We will always have some individuals wasting their time on a futile propaganda mission for their favorite player.
The board doesn't need any more moderation, the posters that are distraught over the moderation of the board don't know how to interpret and read a discussion board, either because they are a little dense, don't read the board that often, or because it doesn't perfectly suit their agenda.
This is a general tennis discussion board not a fanboy/fangirl site for a persons favorite player, that said, posters need to learn they will face some hostility no matter who they support. It is to be somewhat expected, No?
If you read the board, take it like you take life, you will run into some knuckleheads, you will meet some good people, you will laugh, you will cry, but in the end we all end up banned, so you might as well enjoy the read good or bad while it lasts.
"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"
diredesire
Moderator
Edit: Off topic content removed... (well, sort of..)
. I know you used to be a big troublemaker, and have largely cleaned up your act (thanks), but I think you should review the policies thread.
To keep it brief:
This thread isn't about responding to every request on why XYZ happened in the past. The primary reason is to discuss new ideas for the board and to shed some light on how things are done (and why things are done). I don't want this thread to devolve into requests. To all: If you have a specific question, and it really needs an answer, shoot me an e-mail, this thread is getting too cluttered with off-topic/silly posts.
The sticky in TW Q&C (FAQ --> read before posting) will explain the post count issue in great detail [http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=217120]. Hopefully I'm not coming across as rude, I'm feeling kind of ill from some motion sickness... (don't ask).
Edit 2: Like I've said many times in the past, don't hesitate to e-mail me if you have board questions/comments/issues. I hope that most all people that have tried have found it to be a useful avenue to discuss whatever is on their minds TTW related (and sometimes not).
To all below: This thread isn't requests for un-bans. I've already stated if a user wants to return to the boards, just shoot the admins an e-mail. Users should address the reason they were banned. I'd also recommend users be willing to commit to not making the same (or related) mistake(s) again. It'd probably help their chances. No more un-ban requests! Please.
I'm fine with it. Did you see his full "overreaction," though? Pretty unreal. I already contacted him right after that happened and told him it's water under the bridge. I understand why people are frustrated, but I just find that most people don't have the right perspective to see the board as a whole. When jerks on the internet are interfering with one's emotional well being, I think a deep breath, and a short walk is in order (or something).
The fact that you used "sh*tty" just shows that you didn't read the policy thread, and aren't really qualified to make recommendations on who to unban
. I know you used to be a big troublemaker, and have largely cleaned up your act (thanks), but I think you should review the policies thread. To keep it brief:
This thread isn't about responding to every request on why XYZ happened in the past. The primary reason is to discuss new ideas for the board and to shed some light on how things are done (and why things are done). I don't want this thread to devolve into requests. To all: If you have a specific question, and it really needs an answer, shoot me an e-mail, this thread is getting too cluttered with off-topic/silly posts.
The sticky in TW Q&C (FAQ --> read before posting) will explain the post count issue in great detail [http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=217120]. Hopefully I'm not coming across as rude, I'm feeling kind of ill from some motion sickness... (don't ask).
Edit 2: Like I've said many times in the past, don't hesitate to e-mail me if you have board questions/comments/issues. I hope that most all people that have tried have found it to be a useful avenue to discuss whatever is on their minds TTW related (and sometimes not).
To all below: This thread isn't requests for un-bans. I've already stated if a user wants to return to the boards, just shoot the admins an e-mail. Users should address the reason they were banned. I'd also recommend users be willing to commit to not making the same (or related) mistake(s) again. It'd probably help their chances. No more un-ban requests! Please.
There were several instances of less-than-desirable content, but if he wants a second chance, the admins will decide.
I'm fine with it. Did you see his full "overreaction," though? Pretty unreal. I already contacted him right after that happened and told him it's water under the bridge. I understand why people are frustrated, but I just find that most people don't have the right perspective to see the board as a whole. When jerks on the internet are interfering with one's emotional well being, I think a deep breath, and a short walk is in order (or something).
(mine too, regarding the latter)
Yep, I'm still willing to let people try, though
I agree for the most part with the contents of your post, but I can always humor suggestions. I'm not perfect
Depends on the case, some may have had their accounts suspended/deleted. Some may have had their user groups moved to "Guest" instead of regular poster. I'd have to guess this was an accident, though. I don't know of a specific reason to do so.
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tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
Edit: Off topic content removed... (well, sort of..)
The fact that you used "sh*tty" just shows that you didn't read the policy thread, and aren't really qualified to make recommendations on who to unban
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Sorry for my comments.And thanx for the later part.I got a ban once and after that I mellowed myself down.I learned from my mistakes and that's the most important thing.
diredesire
Moderator
Edit: There will come a point in this thread where we run out of things to discuss/suggest (maybe we already hit that point). Once that point has been undeniably reached, I'll either lock this thread or let it die, and I'll take the best of it and roll it up into a discussion e-mail/thread with the admins (in a super-top-secret sub-forum). I've been thinking about the general state of the boards long before this thread, and I've got some of my own ideas to throw around. IF anything happens, you'll be sure to know via a more official channel.
No worries, your attitude is good. I was making a sarcastic jab. I'm actually secretly glad that there are people who other posters care enough about as to request re-instatements, but this isn't the place. There actually really isn't a place. However, if you have a way to contact said member, just have them put in a request. I heard from a little birdie that the admins are actually really cool people :twisted:
No worries, your attitude is good. I was making a sarcastic jab. I'm actually secretly glad that there are people who other posters care enough about as to request re-instatements, but this isn't the place. There actually really isn't a place. However, if you have a way to contact said member, just have them put in a request. I heard from a little birdie that the admins are actually really cool people :twisted:
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No need. "*********" are the kind that makes multiple accounts.
Why is Lsmkenpo allowed to slander and say I'm dual accounting which is against the rules? Who knows.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Jones, unfortunately, the same applies to the many alternate accounts designed to post hate and general ignorance about the Williams sisters. The trolls believe they have different writing styles, but it is easy to determine that the various "members" happens to be a couple of people talking to themselves, hoping to flame, and pretend there's some sort of "majority" sharing their disgusting, regressive views.
diredesire
Moderator
This has all been discussed in quite a bit of detail in this thread:
1) Proxy abuse
2) Report the post, I'll take care of it.
I can't control what people post, but I can deal with it when it comes.
I used to be a mod on a video game game forum that had some good respect from the industry. If I look at a place like this in comparison, it's a joke. No offense. I assume the trolling and immaturity basically comes from the average age of the users here. Either way, there needs to be much more activity by mods that shows little tolerance, as it is now it's a playground. Every time I'm here I see obvious BS threads that we could do without. Here's three I found on the front page of the pro forum
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435068
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435200
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435131
And here's some topics that don't need a separate thread because there's plenty where it can already be discussed in or the subject comes around once a week.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435187
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435121
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435214
By punishing posts more harshly and giving people warnings (weekbans) it'll help in taking this place more serious, because as it is it's only one of the few well visited tennis forums. There's also a problem with how some people write, short and obvious messages that don't add any discussion should be moderated as well. I'm not saying go Hitler mode, but if there's one place that needs to toughen up more, it's this place
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435068
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435200
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435131
And here's some topics that don't need a separate thread because there's plenty where it can already be discussed in or the subject comes around once a week.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435187
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435121
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=435214
By punishing posts more harshly and giving people warnings (weekbans) it'll help in taking this place more serious, because as it is it's only one of the few well visited tennis forums. There's also a problem with how some people write, short and obvious messages that don't add any discussion should be moderated as well. I'm not saying go Hitler mode, but if there's one place that needs to toughen up more, it's this place
Peters
Professional
Yep, the best forums I use on the internet aren't democracies, like the utopian environment diredesire is talking about.
They're run with an iron fist by mods, and this allows breathing space for the grown-up forum members to actually discuss things without getting drowned out by an endless stream of childish spamming, trolling and pointless aggression.
You can't moderate by being re-active all the time, not when it's got as bad as it has on the General Pro/Match Results folders. You need to be pro-active and make sweeping changes. Start flinging bans around and people will change their tune.
They're run with an iron fist by mods, and this allows breathing space for the grown-up forum members to actually discuss things without getting drowned out by an endless stream of childish spamming, trolling and pointless aggression.
You can't moderate by being re-active all the time, not when it's got as bad as it has on the General Pro/Match Results folders. You need to be pro-active and make sweeping changes. Start flinging bans around and people will change their tune.
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
Having been to many forums before, I've never seen the type of trolling NSK exhibits here (and partly in mtf.com), it's bordering on the ridiculous. He's actually talking to himself with multiple accounts and is not even trying to be discrete.
It's sad to see, but actually quite hilarious at same time. Nevertheless, forget about merging or purging threads, at least one mod in this forum should be on the lookout for his accounts and ban them on sight. The thing is, spotting them is not hard at all.
Edit: I find it interesting that the full name of "mtf.com" is censored?
It's sad to see, but actually quite hilarious at same time. Nevertheless, forget about merging or purging threads, at least one mod in this forum should be on the lookout for his accounts and ban them on sight. The thing is, spotting them is not hard at all.
Edit: I find it interesting that the full name of "mtf.com" is censored?
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diredesire
Moderator
I DO feel the same way, but there's a balance point that I haven't quite figured out yet. What I definitely don't want is to steer discussion, and/or only make certain areas/types of discussion viable. I think everything is fair game as long as people are mature. Obviously on the internet, this is a little too much to ask for, though. I'm definitely considering this style of moderation, but it has to be balanced. The "utopia" i talk about is under the assumption that people are trying to contribute to the community, not make it worse. IF that were the case, I wouldn't be doing anything, i guess.
bordering? I am genuinely interested what the repeat trolls are like in person. I actually wonder if they read their ban messages in their User CP, or if they log on, and see they're banned, and just go straight to re-register.
As far as repeat accounts, like I said, unless there is undeniable evidence (admitting to being a repeat account), or a shared IP, there needs to be a pretty good amount of evidence that points to a new/repeat account before I can/will ban someone. Admins can be a little more liberal if they want, but as far as myself, I prefer to take a more reserved approach (at least when it comes to bans).
I also want to point out that even IF a thread is started to straight-up troll, good content OFTEN comes from these threads, amidst the stirred-up crap. I feel that certain posts are actually extremely valuable to the community as a whole, and it's sad to lose them on a full thread deletion. Is it better as a whole just to have a heavy hand and lose content? I don't think this is always true.
Thoughts?
diredesire
Moderator
I actually think it's more of a positive feedback loop. The trolls are very successful, if you take a step back and look at it.
IMHO, it's a few people that are purposefully (or maybe they really don't realize how ridiculous they are being...) stirring the hornet's nest. In the moment, good posters (or maybe I should say average posters
) lose control and fight fire with fire. While yes, there are some silly threads in GPPD, many of them are response threads to trolls. This might be a satirical response with a similar thread title (a key word changed, for instance) to point out the absurdity of the other post -- but what does this gain anyone? It only adds to the noise. If you look at the global viewpoint of the forum, GPPD is pretty much the only sub-forum where this behavior occurs. GPPD is pretty unique as compared to the rest of the forum, as there is polarization due to preferences of each poster. I know "TW" seems bad, but overall, I think the forum is great -- which leads me to wonder if special rules only in GPPD make sense (this is something I'll be suggesting to the admins, we'll see what takes).In any event, I am taking these suggestions to heart, and I have put some thought into them. I'll be making an "executive summary" and highlighting the points that I think can really take off (or really make sense), and of course, they'll be addressing this sub-forum the most. I just need some free time
(Like I said before, though, I'll probably be locking this thread, as the suggestions are largely the same as in previous pages -- I do appreciate the feedback, but at this point I can just say give me a little time, and I'll try and make some things happen)
diredesire
Moderator
Thanks, I moved the thread, but I'll dig deeper when I get a chance. This should have been an e-mail
Edit: Locking the thread, if anyone has further feedback, I'm willing to unlock for new/novel discussion. E-mail me if you have any concerns. Thanks for the feedback!
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