Reasons why Nadal will NOT win the French Open this year
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mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Roger's got 13 slams..so does the curse of 13 work there? :lol: :lol:
Rickson
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If you read my previous posts, you'll see that Roger paid his dues in Melbourne. Rafa still has only 13 victories over Roger, but his curse has been lifted. The curse of 13 may still have some residual effects as you saw with Roger, but then again, he may have been trying to lose on purpose so he could save the curse's effects for a slam. Roger does read this message board you know. To reiterate, Roger and Rafa are both just about free of the curse of 13 and at some point, both players will likely move onto 14 respectively; Roger will get 14 + slams and Rafa will get 14 + victories over Roger.
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Two finals and one SF (1560 pts) > One title, one SF and a R16 (1450 pts)Hmmm...let's see, Federer has one clay court title this season while Djokovic has none. Djokovic failed to beat Nadal 3 times in a row on clay this season while Federer beat Nadal on his very first try. I'd say currently Federer is still far better than Djokovic on clay.
Djokovic performed better on clay. Numbers don't lie.
Cyan
Hall of Fame
You actually believe this? :shock: Maybe Mirka reads forums but not Roger he is too busy....
Cyan
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Navratilova is the only one to win the same slam for 6 yrs. in a row in the Open era.
Cyan
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Pete had to wait TWO YEARS between winning slam number 13 and slam number 14. :shock:
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Cyan
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AprilFool
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Federer opted out of Monte Carlo where he likely would have spanked Novak or made it to the final.
Nevertheless, I shield > 0 shield.
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AprilFool
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That remains to be seen, as the Borg curse is a relatively new one and is only now being tested.
maximo
Banned
You really have it in for Murray and worship Sampras don't you?
Anyway, I think this FO will be the hardest Nadal has ever played. And will be pushed right to the brink.
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Andres
G.O.A.T.
He was "spanked" by Wawrinka. Why would he have "spanked" Novak if he loses earlier?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But that doesn't matter. It's all about who can beat Nadal on clay. I mean that's what it all comes down to on clay.
Andyk028
Professional
YEAH YEAH YEAH
R_Federer
Professional
If Nadal was tired playing 3 set matches at Madrid...he will be dead playing 3-5 set matches at RG LoL!!!
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What I'm saying is that you're not going to win the French Open unless you can beat Nadal. Nothing else really matters because ultimately, you're going to have to beat Nadal.Whatever floats your boat, BP
By your logic, Gaudio was the 2nd best claycourter in 2005, since he defeated Nadal once that year. Andreev also defeated him, so Andreev should be #3, because Gaudio served Rafa a bagel and a breadstick
BTW, Gaudio has as many wins against Nadal on clay as he has losses. I don't think anyone else does. And no other players have beaten Nadal 3 times on clay. So yeah, Gaudio is tied with Nadal on clay.
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oy vey
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Here's what uncle toni says:
“Roland Garros will be difficult but we will see what will happen,” said Nadal’s coach and uncle, Toni Nadal.
“There is no extra pressure, it is always the same. But it is clear that the uncertainty increases with the win in Madrid by Federer, who had a good match.”
Aside from Federer, Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray could beat Nadal, he added.
“We are aware that this could happen,” he said.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20052009/3/nadal-cautious-ahead-french-open.html
“Roland Garros will be difficult but we will see what will happen,” said Nadal’s coach and uncle, Toni Nadal.
“There is no extra pressure, it is always the same. But it is clear that the uncertainty increases with the win in Madrid by Federer, who had a good match.”
Aside from Federer, Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray could beat Nadal, he added.
“We are aware that this could happen,” he said.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20052009/3/nadal-cautious-ahead-french-open.html
Andres
G.O.A.T.
And if Nadal is the clay GOAT, Gaudio is at least Co-GOATWhat I'm saying is that you're not going to win the French Open unless you can beat Nadal. Nothing else really matters because ultimately, you're going to have to beat Nadal.
BTW, Gaudio has many wins against Nadal on clay as he has losses. I don't think anyone else does. And no other players have beaten Nadal 3 times on clay. So yeah, Gaudio is tied with Nadal on clay.
yeah, I could buy that!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
No because they don't play every day in slams.
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Mikey Fresh
Banned
Djokovic in a four setter it will be a like 6-3 5-7 7-6 7-5
BreakPoint
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Why, of course! Other than Nadal, who else has won the French Open in the past 5 years? ;-)And if Nadal is the clay GOAT, Gaudio is at least Co-GOAT
yeah, I could buy that!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Good news for both
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And they don't play 5 set matches in Masters Series events (anymore).
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
The number of sets is irrelevant, it's the combination of the duration and the intensity of a match that may have an effect on the player when the recovery time is very short.And they don't play 5 set matches in Masters Series events (anymore).
matchmaker
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I agree. Djokovic did everything right against Nadal, he just had bad luck he did not win. He gets three match points but Nadal hits one unreturnable serve + two winners after a perfectly constructed rally.
Fed gets two breakpoints against his serve in the final game to level the second set but Nadal clumsily hits two totally UE's after an easy rally, without pressure then lets himself get aced twice.
Djoko is the real threat IMO.
Ripster
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What I'm saying is that you're not going to win the French Open unless you can beat Nadal. Nothing else really matters because ultimately, you're going to have to beat Nadal.
BTW, Gaudio has as many wins against Nadal on clay as he has losses. I don't think anyone else does. And no other players have beaten Nadal 3 times on clay. So yeah, Gaudio is tied with Nadal on clay.
You are using this reasoning to discount Djokovic? :???: He was one point away from beating Nadal in the semi-final and everybody knows Nadal played way better in the semi than he did in the final against Federer.
Well, one reason to discount Djokovic is that at tournaments that count the most (slams), he's been less consistent than Federer. His heart and conditioning is also questionable. He's has a history of sometimes fighting hard, sometimes quitting.
But if he's playing good, and if he's willing to fight and isn't going to quit because of SARS or something, he certainly has his shots.
Yeah but what happened was Fed beat Nadal, and Djoker couldn't. So Fed is a bigger threat at RG than Djoker is to Nadal. On the other hand, Djoker has beaten Fed twice this year, once on clay too, so maybe he'll beat Fed if they meet. Who knows.
Ripster
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His conditioning has improved since he hired Muster's fitness coach at the start of the clay court season. He also gave Nadal his toughest Roland Garros match last year.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
The number of sets is irrelevant but the duration of a match is? The last I checked, 3 set matches typically last longer than 2 set matches and 5 set matches typically last longer than 3 set matches.
BTW, does how much time you waste before serving have any relevance to how long a match goes?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Ever consider it's the way that Djokovic plays that allowed Nadal to beat him? Also ever consider that it's the way Federer plays that allowed him to beat Nadal? It's NOT all about Nadal. There's another player on the other side of the net that is forcing or not forcing Nadal to do what he wants or doesn't want to to.
And how do you know Federer wouldn't have also beaten Nadal if they played in the semis instead of the final?
vndesu
Hall of Fame
yup just made more excuses just like how fed fans make excuses.
if you look at how fed had played he played amazing everyone had to admit it, i was iffy about watching the match but then saw a lot of good points between the two.
maybe nadal was tired, but that isnt an excuse bc or the AO with verdasco.
hopefully more players like djokovic or federer will take out the clay king who knows.
Underhand
Legend
Chuck Norris can beat him whenever he wants.
Ripster
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Djokovic was playing aggressively just as Federer was. The difference being that Nadal was missing some of the same shots against Fed that he was making when he played Novak. Federer played great all-court tennis in that match though and that's why he won in straight sets pretty comfortably.
BOTH Federer and Djokovic have good shots at beating Nadal at Roland Garros. I just think Djokovic has a better chance based on their clay seasons so far.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Actually, Federer hits the ball much flatter than Djokovic does and in the thinner air of high altitude, that made the ball go through the air much faster. That's why Nadal couldn't get to some of Federer's shots while he could run down most of Djokovic's shots. Just because it looks like Djokovic is taking big swings at the ball doesn't mean that his shots are traveling faster through the court than Federer's shots are. His spin actually slows the ball down.
In addition, I don't think Djokovic served and volleyed nor attacked the net nearly as often as Federer did.
tennisplaya
Rookie
This match will be the highlight of Federer's year.
That's news. I always thought Fed hits with the second most number of rpms on tour, only behind Nadal. Does Djoker hit with a lot of spin as well??
lambielspins
Banned
Ripster is a lovesick Djokovic fanatic. He actually believes Djokovic is the best hard court player in the world when in the last 12 months all he has won on hard courts is the year end Masters when he played none of Nadal, Federer, and Murray and when his combined head to head with those 4 in the last year on hard courts is something like 2-6. Dont try to reason with him, you will get nowhere.
Cyan
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Because it wasnt a fair win like 2007 TMC SF for example.
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