Rec Mixed Doubles: Hitting at Opponent?!?!

equinox said:
Thanks for quoting me out of context.



If grandma can keep up with me and keep scores close, then she can handle a ball being hit towards her at high velocity.

If she dies, she dies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDgcc5Sif3k
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You're welcome!

Speaking of context, remember the title of this thread: Rec Mixed Doubles. The whole point is that grandma can't keep up with you. Or at least, Cindy's grandma can't :-)

On the other hand, when you're playing your next 5.0 mens dubs match you have my blessing to headhunt to your hearts desire.
 
It's a known fact that testing out the net skills of opposition is a smart tactic.

The last open doubles i played, i was repeatedly tested on 2nd serves. I had no problem with pair of pennant grade one'ers targeting me.

We fought hard, blew our set chances and went down 6-4 6-2 in 2nd rd.

Headhunting at 5.0 level doesn't work. None of the players swing and all are attentive to flow of play.

Are you guys telling me, that you don't practice reaction volleys before a match?

That's what my old coach did, plop us kids on the net and slammed those balls at us rapid fire from inside service lines. Quickly learned that if we swung, we bruise.

Even as adult, have a partner to fire them down while backed up against the fence, moving to within 3 metres.

No different to lightsabber training on the falcon.
 
TimothyO said:
My wife talked me into joining a mixed doubles team. I enjoy it for the social aspect and for some reason the practice sessions Generally feel low pressure and are lots of fun.

However, Some members of the team are pretty darn hardcore. The captains do that "stacking" thing by playing some members far below their level to ensure a win.

And there are at least two women and one guy who deliberately hit at net players. We're not talking "jamming" an opponent by hitting near them or hitting at the feet. We're talking deliberate body and head shots!

When I started mixed doubles my wife told me people are usually pretty relaxed (this is B level ALTA). But the guy in question took three shots at my head, two in one game!

One of the women is notorious on her mixed and women's teams for hitting people repeatedly in a match...hard! In matches she sometimes refuses to shake hands with opponents.

The other woman took three shots at me in one practice match and grinned each time. But she's a glass jawed bully because when she's hit she complains loudly. She too is known for hitting people on purpose.

Here's the question: in rec mixed doubles do you hit AT an opponent purely with the intention of hitting hard with the ball? Again, not hitting towards them to jam them or at their feet...we're talking deliberately nailing them in the body with a hard shot to intimidate them.

This is also limited to rec mixed doubles, not men's singles, etc.

Personally, I can't see doing this. The other night I hit too hard towards a woman at net while trying an alley shot. She blocked the shot with her racquet, much to my relief, but it would have been bad had she missed (the ball bounced wide off her strings). I felt terrible!

I've jammed male opponents by hitting as close as possible to them. I just can't nailing people in the head.
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If it was me, I would have personally gone over and slapped the taste out of that *****es mouth.

There's no call for that blatant lack of sportsmanship at the rec level. It might be one thing to do it in a match, but practice... We talking about practice...

Practice...
 
Well see...I think I've covered players like you. Her getting tagged is not an automatic reason to come at you...or your partner. We have played enough that we know the difference. She should be able to volley or get back. I also know not to hit certain shots at certain times to try and avoid us getting tagged. So we wouldn't have a problem under the circumstances that you just mentioned.

equinox said:
That's the thing, would make it sound personal.

When i tag your wife in a social mixed. Has nothing to do with disabling her for next week or ruining your sex life. My intention isn't to cause her pain, it's to win the point and influence outcome of the match by changing your behaviour, so instead of targeting my weaker partner, you come at me. The more balls that come my way the greater chance of winning mixed. That simple.

Bonuses of tagging are certain unskilled volleyer intimidated back to baseline or tramlines, giving my team more error margin to attack through the middle and thus control the net.

When a tag appears to have caused visible hurt to another player.

They'll receive the customary polite inquiry "are you ok?" and "i'm so sorry".

Does the apology hold significant meaning for me?

No. Players have a racquet for protection and can choose to stand anywhere to avoid being tagged. Since getting tagged is part of the game and known risk once on the court, i feel minimal sympathy for ball injuries in course of playing a legal point.

Now that doesn't mean i don't have boundaries. I wouldn't smash tag someone in face from close range (both inside halfway service line), i would aim for the lower body. And if did tag them in the head, there own fault for not paying attention.
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In college my favorite professor told us, "You deserve what you tolerate." At the time I did not think it was so pithy but it did not take long for me to incorporate that in my life and I've lived it for the last two decades.

The same can be said for tennis. Most of us (say 95%) have common sense and our senses tell us what to do. Bullies will hurt others and Passives will get hurt. Which is it better to be? Depends on how you sleep at night...I despise bullies and make it my mission to stop crap like that. :mad:

I'm not sure where else we can go in this thread. It's been pretty much analyzed from different perspectives and non-OP scenarios, but I still can't stop reading it.
 
I think that is a great quote. lol

corbind said:
In college my favorite professor told us, "You deserve what you tolerate." At the time I did not think it was so pithy but it did not take long for me to incorporate that in my life and I've lived it for the last two decades.

The same can be said for tennis. Most of us (say 95%) have common sense and our senses tell us what to do. Bullies will hurt others and Passives will get hurt. Which is it better to be? Depends on how you sleep at night...I despise bullies and make it my mission to stop crap like that. :mad:

I'm not sure where else we can go in this thread. It's been pretty much analyzed from different perspectives and non-OP scenarios, but I still can't stop reading it.
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I am glad to hear that you won't tolerate legal tennis played according to the the rules. That you will demand that people play to your own set of unique (and probably ever changing) set of rules, dependent on who you are playing, the age and sex of the players, the weather conditions, whether or not you are hung over, and many many other variables. Sounds like loads of fun. :(

corbind said:
In college my favorite professor told us, "You deserve what you tolerate." At the time I did not think it was so pithy but it did not take long for me to incorporate that in my life and I've lived it for the last two decades.

The same can be said for tennis. Most of us (say 95%) have common sense and our senses tell us what to do. Bullies will hurt others and Passives will get hurt. Which is it better to be? Depends on how you sleep at night...I despise bullies and make it my mission to stop crap like that. :mad:

I'm not sure where else we can go in this thread. It's been pretty much analyzed from different perspectives and non-OP scenarios, but I still can't stop reading it.
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chatt_town said:
Sounds like you have been very fortunate(your username is lucky). Most people I know have been hit at some point playing tennis. I don't know about you but most women can't handle a guy hitting a ball from the middle of the "box" or further in and they are standing on top of the net...hell many guys wouldn't for the most part. I'm talking about an overhead or a forehand(assuming one has a forehand). You might be a freak of nature, but I'd like to see you stand at the net when some guy is bringing down the overhead. it sounds good here to say that but visually...I don't think thats a place you'd like to be.
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I never said I have never been hit by a tennis ball (I sort of alluded to the fact that I have in my post, in fact). I said: I have never been hurt by a tennis ball. That is true. Not only have I never been hurt by a tennis ball, but I have never seen it done, nor have I ever heard of an actual person (as opposed to a "friend of a friend" whom I don't know personally) being hurt by a tennis ball, except by stepping on one.

Would I "like" to be at the net when my partner hits a weak lob? No I don't "like" it... because we are likely to lose the point, not because I am in fear of my person. I will likely make a play on the ball that is probably going to come my way (it is correct for the other netman to hit the ball to my part of the court).

If the other netman for some stupid reason aims at my head (thereby being a "headhunter") then things are different.. we are then likely to win the point since I will dodge the ball and it will land out. In addition to winning the point, we will also get the benefit of the other netman suffering from self induced pressure for blowing an easily won point, he may play the next couple of points poorly too.
 
LuckyR said:
I never said I have never been hit by a tennis ball (I sort of alluded to the fact that I have in my post, in fact). I said: I have never been hurt by a tennis ball. That is true. Not only have I never been hurt by a tennis ball, but I have never seen it done, nor have I ever heard of an actual person (as opposed to a "friend of a friend" whom I don't know personally) being hurt by a tennis ball, except by stepping on one.
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Then you'll be interested to know that Stephan Edberg killed a linesman with his serve. He nailed the guy in the crotch. That caused the guy to pitch forward and slam his head onto the hard court. Bad news.

A good friend of mine also caught a ball there (not by me). We still have beer together.
 
Off The Wall said:
Then you'll be interested to know that Stephan Edberg killed a linesman with his serve. He nailed the guy in the crotch. That caused the guy to pitch forward and slam his head onto the hard court. Bad news.

A good friend of mine also caught a ball there (not by me). We still have beer together.
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Similar experience here... playing dubs with 3 teammates, and my partner nailed one of the opponents flush in the crotch with an overhead. Poor guy was writhing on the court for a good 15 mins, while we were trying to contain ourselves from laughing too hard. Luckily he already had kids and was not planning on any more anyway. The funny thing was that when he got hit, he doubled over and fell to the ground in apparent slow-motion - we still re-enact his slow motion fall from time to time when we get together.

Jokes aside, it was purely accidental, and luckily there was no permanent injury, because he was hit hard enough to actually cause some real damage to the equipment.
 
I once hit a return of serve screamer at the net guy, and the ball just barely cleared the net, and got the guy right in the crotch. he bent over, turned white, said "Oh no", then slowly fell to the ground. when a male get hits there, the pain usually takes a few seconds to really explode, but you know it is coming. The anticipation is what makes it worse!

OrangePower said:
Similar experience here... playing dubs with 3 teammates, and my partner nailed one of the opponents flush in the crotch with an overhead. Poor guy was writhing on the court for a good 15 mins, while we were trying to contain ourselves from laughing too hard. Luckily he already had kids and was not planning on any more anyway. The funny thing was that when he got hit, he doubled over and fell to the ground in apparent slow-motion - we still re-enact his slow motion fall from time to time when we get together.

Jokes aside, it was purely accidental, and luckily there was no permanent injury, because he was hit hard enough to actually cause some real damage to the equipment.
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Off The Wall said:
Then you'll be interested to know that Stephan Edberg killed a linesman with his serve. He nailed the guy in the crotch. That caused the guy to pitch forward and slam his head onto the hard court. Bad news.
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By that logic, banana peels are extremely dangerous.
 
Man that's rough. You know when I first came off the baseball field I was really afraid of being hit til I got nailed in the forehead a second time. :) I then realized that getting hit in the eye or even in the crotch would not be good at all. So that's I always stay even with my partner during the point except the return of serve, but I keep guard up even on the balls that are just back because people tend to hit those back out of reaction. I think if you tend to stay with your partner and move with them you are less likely to get nailed. The only thing you can do on the return is keep your raquet up and assume the ball is coming back to you at all cost and assume it will be a bullet. That still doesn't guarantee anything but I've been known the times I've gotten caught is turn duck and put my raquet between my legs with the butt end sticking out to protect. I can handled getting hit anywhere except the eye and jewels. :)


blakesq said:
I once hit a return of serve screamer at the net guy, and the ball just barely cleared the net, and got the guy right in the crotch. he bent over, turned white, said "Oh no", then slowly fell to the ground. when a male get hits there, the pain usually takes a few seconds to really explode, but you know it is coming. The anticipation is what makes it worse!
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All BS aside...while ya'll are talking about grandma...true story...A guy here hit his own mother in the chest with a forehand. The guy is like 6'2 or something and plays with one of those "old man" head raquets with a lot of power.lol I didn't see it but I asked him was it true and he said it was. He said obviously he didn't aim to hit her but He did mean to end the point on the return as the guy served it right to his forehand.lol


tennis tom said:
Most (but not all) of the grandmas who play tennis in my parts are witches and ride brooms to the courts.
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Okay...We as a team would accept the responsibility for getting hit. That's why we wouldn't ever b*otch and moan about it, but at the same time, when we start dishing them out then don't get your boxers and panties in a bunch. We've been in a few where it turned into a blood bath and I can't think of one yet where we didn't win.lol Reason is we first and foremost will chew each other out for hanging balls up, but it also the person not hitting the ball responsibility to stay even with the person that is hitting the ball. Most people that get nailed are in at the net slumped over while the partner is back at the baseline or on the fence trying to retrieve a ball. The time that it takes a ball to get from the baseline to the net leaves plenty of time for the net person to get back or off the court. So it is the person's job that hit it to warn the person at the net who should have retreated in the first place if you went back to retrieve a lob. That will cut down on a lot of people getting nailed at the net. There is always going to be a person get hit in the shoulder or whatever with a volley if you are playing doubles the way it should be played and that again I'd never consider head hunting. So again, I for one with my teammate will accept responsibility for being hit, but we will also come back at you the first chance we get. :)


equinox said:
Wimp out?

It's a matter of percentages.

Unless opposition is ducking when i hit my shot, smash trajectory will likely go long if he/she moves the head.

As i said goal is to win the point, aiming for body is the correct percentage play and it's pretty difficult to hit someone in the head unless ball ricochet of there own racquet.

I've received and dished out close range BOOM HEADSHOTS! At that extreme position with both players so near to the net, reaction times to protect one self is minimal. That's where serious damage can take place.

Most people don't want a win via an injury forfeit.
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chatt_town said:
... The time that it takes a ball to get from the baseline to the net leaves plenty of time for the net person to get back or off the court. So it is the person's job that hit it to warn the person at the net who should have retreated in the first place if you went back to retrieve a lob.
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This is a good reason to return to the age-old argument here whether you should look back at your partner, to watch him hit his return. Many here swear to never looking back, because they think it takes their focus off their opponents. Wrong! By watching your partner's hit you can see if he's hit a dying-duck floater giving you time to run for the hills to protect yourself. Before the words "short" (or nothing) comes out of his mouth, you could be defending yourself by at least turning sideways. Watch the Bryans or any good doubles team, they look back at their partner's return.
 
tennis tom said:
This is a good reason to return to the age-old argument here whether you should look back at your partner, to watch him hit his return. Many here swear to never looking back, because they think it takes their focus off their opponents. Wrong! By watching your partner's hit you can see if he's hit a dying-duck floater giving you time to run for the hills to protect yourself. Before the words "short" (or nothing) comes out of his mouth, you could be defending yourself by at least turning sideways. Watch the Bryans or any good doubles team, they look back at their partner's return.
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Ahh no mate, do you even play doubles?

Completely unrecommended and is asking to get pegged.

No coach with any qualifications would suggest turning head to watch partner hit the ball.

Watching partners shot is inefficient and unnecessary when all the visual clues come straight from opposition movements and body language.

The opposition moves forward and across, you move back just behind service line..to retrieve.
 
equinox said:
Ahh no mate, do you even play doubles?

Completely unrecommended and is asking to get pegged.

No coach with any qualifications would suggest turning head to watch partner hit the ball.
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Nah, never played doubles in my life, just slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I guess the Bryans have never played doubles either. Fire your staff of coaches and watch the Bryans looking back. Vic Seixas, one of the best players of all time, even looked back on the serve, he said if he knew where the ball was coming from he could get out of the way. There's always enough time.
 
tennis tom said:
Nah, never played doubles in my life, just slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I guess the Bryans have never played doubles either. Fire your staff of coaches and watch the Bryans looking back. Vic Seixas, one of the best players of all time, even looked back on the serve, he said if he knew where the ball was coming from he could get out of the way. There's always enough time.
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Lol, keep going mate. Just making me laugh hard.
 
Watch out!

tennis tom said:
Nah, never played doubles in my life, just slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I guess the Bryans have never played doubles either. Fire your staff of coaches and watch the Bryans looking back. Vic Seixas, one of the best players of all time, even looked back on the serve, he said if he knew where the ball was coming from he could get out of the way. There's always enough time.
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You should go back and study some BB matches. I agree that Mike near about turns around to look at what Bob is doing. Sometimes his feet even stop moving because he's watching so hard. Of the two, he's the one I see make more of the reaction volleys because by the time he faces the net again the ball is on him. On the other hand, Bob is far more aggressive at net. He will sometimes glance at Mike but for the most part he's dialed in on the opponents looking for something to cut off.

I generally don't look at my partner unless we're crossed up or the ball is so slow they have many options. Then I'm just looking so I can get a jump on where to position myself based what they look like they're about to hit. But to just stand there and watch every move your partner makes is not only dumb it's dangerous. More often than not, worrying about what your partner is going to do instead of looking at what your opponents are setting up to do is why people get hit in doubles.
 
Yup, so you're gonna' depend on watching your opponents movement to decide where you will position--NOT! Maybe you haven't noticed, but a good number of threads here are about people who don't know where to stand on the court or don't move with the ball. The object of tennis is to WATCH and hit the ball! If you you are FULLY FOCUSED on watching the ball you will be in better rhythm and moving with the ball--that includes when the ball is on YOUR side of the court being hit by your partner. MOVE WITH THE BALL, not inferring what the ball is doing by watching your opponents, who very well may not know what they are doing or are FAKING you out. The ball doesn't lie, but your opponents might be, as exhibited by the rest of the threads here about cheating. THERE IS ALWAYS ENOUGH TIME.
 
There is an article in the current Golf Digest where they hired some psychologists to interview various golfers on their view of cheating.

The interesting thing they found out was that if you cheated, you were far more likely to assume that everyone else was cheating too. If you did not cheat, you were more likely to assume that others did not cheat as well.

I think that pretty much explains the attitude we see around here in regards to head-hunting and bad line calls.

Most of those guys who complain the loudest also talk about how they retaliate frequently with their own head-hunting and blatant bad calls.

Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
 
gameboy said:
There is an article in the current Golf Digest where they hired some psychologists to interview various golfers on their view of cheating.

The interesting thing they found out was that if you cheated, you were far more likely to assume that everyone else was cheating too. If you did not cheat, you were more likely to assume that others did not cheat as well.

I think that pretty much explains the attitude we see around here in regards to head-hunting and bad line calls.

Most of those guys who complain the loudest also talk about how they retaliate frequently with their own head-hunting and blatant bad calls.

Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
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This is my nominee for post of the year. Well said.
 
gameboy said:
Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
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Ya, then we would all be sitting around silently meditating at the Ashram and there'd be no need for this message board. I do know of an Ashram where they do have a tennis court though.
 
gameboy said:
There is an article in the current Golf Digest where they hired some psychologists to interview various golfers on their view of cheating.

The interesting thing they found out was that if you cheated, you were far more likely to assume that everyone else was cheating too. If you did not cheat, you were more likely to assume that others did not cheat as well.

I think that pretty much explains the attitude we see around here in regards to head-hunting and bad line calls.

Most of those guys who complain the loudest also talk about how they retaliate frequently with their own head-hunting and blatant bad calls.

Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
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This is a very good point.
 
gameboy said:
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I think that pretty much explains the attitude we see around here in regards to head-hunting and bad line calls.

Most of those guys who complain the loudest also talk about how they retaliate frequently with their own head-hunting and blatant bad calls.

Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
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Gameboy = Post of the Week
 
gameboy said:
I think that pretty much explains the attitude we see around here in regards to head-hunting and bad line calls.

Most of those guys who complain the loudest also talk about how they retaliate frequently with their own head-hunting and blatant bad calls.

Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
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Disagree with you moral relativists, you're blaming the victim for defending himself. That's like saying a woman had it coming because she was wearing a short dress.
 
If she comes to net with a short skirt, then she does "have it coming" if a ball is hit at her.


tennis tom said:
Disagree with you moral relativists, you're blaming the victim for defending himself. That's like saying a woman had it coming because she was wearing a short dress.
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tennis tom said:
Disagree with you moral relativists, you're blaming the victim for defending himself. That's like saying a woman had it coming because she was wearing a short dress.
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Relating getting ***** to getting hit on a tennis court is a bit too much, no?

And more accurate analogy would be a person who frequently accuses others of **** because he rapes others, and not the **** victim.

Yes, and that makes no sense. Which is why you really should not bring things like "****" to a topic like this.
 
You know I did all this without ever being told. It seems like common sense to me. Otherwise you do get caught. I immediately get even with them whether on the baseline or at the net after they return. I don't play with too many people that hand out on the baseline. If I want to be on the baseline, I'll play singles.

tennis tom said:
This is a good reason to return to the age-old argument here whether you should look back at your partner, to watch him hit his return. Many here swear to never looking back, because they think it takes their focus off their opponents. Wrong! By watching your partner's hit you can see if he's hit a dying-duck floater giving you time to run for the hills to protect yourself. Before the words "short" (or nothing) comes out of his mouth, you could be defending yourself by at least turning sideways. Watch the Bryans or any good doubles team, they look back at their partner's return.
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Yep...I just let the opponnent decide how we are gonna play. I always come out to play fun and try not to get hurt...but if you come out firing bullets..you better hope that you have brought plenty because we both come loaded just in case. :) She cranks overheads...I crank the overheads, backhands and forehands. :) I remember one guy coming out in a playoff match and was hitting at both of us and his partner threw up about 9 lobs in the first two games...so on the second crossover we both just laughed and knew this was about to be fun. That guy got hit about 9 times(no bs) with overheads and all but 2 were from the wife as the girl kept trying to lob over her head and leaving them short. I was actually getting ticked because she was getting to crank them.lol You would think that a guy who's female partner lobs "evvvvverything" would know to get his @$$ back or at the very least not be hitting at people. We lit his @$$ up like a Christmas tree. lol

equinox said:
Sounds like you have enjoyable matches. :D
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Don't know how long you've played tennis but it is pretty obvious when someone is coming at you just for laughs or because they think they are stronger. Hasn't happened often to me but it has happened and when it does, I will take care of it. Everytime I'm hit isn't a reason to hit you back, but on occasion it is. As far as cheating...I don't put up with it. I just get a line judge. if that can't be done, I drill everything down the middle of the court and usually that works.

gameboy said:
There is an article in the current Golf Digest where they hired some psychologists to interview various golfers on their view of cheating.

The interesting thing they found out was that if you cheated, you were far more likely to assume that everyone else was cheating too. If you did not cheat, you were more likely to assume that others did not cheat as well.

I think that pretty much explains the attitude we see around here in regards to head-hunting and bad line calls.

Most of those guys who complain the loudest also talk about how they retaliate frequently with their own head-hunting and blatant bad calls.

Perhaps they really should start looking inwards instead of blaming their opponents for their troubles...
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gameboy said:
Relating getting ***** to getting hit on a tennis court is a bit too much, no?

And more accurate analogy would be a person who frequently accuses others of **** because he rapes others, and not the **** victim.

Yes, and that makes no sense. Which is why you really should not bring things like "****" to a topic like this.
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Your reply is incomprehensible, clean up your language, there may be impressionable children and women lsitening. Looks like you're the one who is out of line according to the TT censor algorithm. Maybe they use the same programmer the USTA does for determing ratings. I'll bring anything into the topic I damn well please, thank you very much--remember that first amendment freedom of speech thing? Maybe you've been hanging out behind the gated country club too much. Welcome to the real world, it can be a nasty place on ocassion.
 
tennis tom said:
Maybe you've been hanging out behind the gated country club too much. Welcome to the real world, it can be a nasty place on ocassion.
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I will stay behind the gate, thanks.

Don't really care to play with the likes of you.

I have played plenty of USTA matches and they have all been pretty pleasant folks. Some guys get pretty intense, but nothing too serious.

Perhaps the problem is not the "real world" but how you view the "real world".
 
gameboy said:
I will stay behind the gate, thanks.

Don't really care to play with the likes of you.

I have played plenty of USTA matches and they have all been pretty pleasant folks. Some guys get pretty intense, but nothing too serious.

Perhaps the problem is not the "real world" but how you view the "real world".
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Funny, now I rather catch the ball and lose the point then hit anyone. Then, again, nearly decapitated a player a week ago. Heaven knows, its not the way it should be.
 
gameboy said:
Don't really care to play with the likes of you..

Perhaps the problem is not the "real world" but how you view the "real world".
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That's the difference between you and me, I don't care who I play with as long as I'm playing. I would have no trouble playing against you what so ever. I don't decide to play with people depending if I like them or not. I just show up and play with who ever's name is on the draw or who ever else shows up to play and puts their name or racket on the board. I'm not judging them by what they look like or write on a message board. When did the topic become you and me ever playing? Go ahead and demonize me if it makes you feel better. You sound like an amateur shrink.
 
Often before bed I read replies on my watched topics and it's funny how so many times it cuts into my sleep because I'm entertained.... :wink:
 
corbind said:
Often before bed I read replies on my watched topics and it's funny how so many times it cuts into my sleep because I'm entertained.... :wink:
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At your service, that's what we're here for. Sleeping is highly overrated. When I can't sleep at night I go down to the courts in the 'hood and find a pick-up game with some gangsta's.
 
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