Recording Practice Matches.

Jono123

Professional
I'm considering using a GOpro or similar to record practice matches. It's mainly as a learning tool and a bit of fun.

Do you guys use them and what's the etiquette around asking permission and sharing content etc?
 

Flootoo

Semi-Pro
Do you guys use them and what's the etiquette around asking permission and sharing content etc?
I was thinking of doing the same thing- check with your opponent, and share a copy of the raw video. It will be 50% him/her anyway, because you change ends, right?
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
I was thinking of doing the same thing- check with your opponent, and share a copy of the raw video. It will be 50% him/her anyway, because you change ends, right?
This is the way

As a courtesy I would also let them know if you are planning on putting the footage online - some people might be happy being recorded for personal analysis but not want themselves plastered all over YouTube or TTW
 

Jono123

Professional
I've been checking out the GoPro 10 as they are doing a bundle but hear its inclined to overheat. Can anyone recommend something?
 

kevin qmto

Hall of Fame
Personally I don’t care for the fisheye lens look of the GoPro. I’d rather use a traditional camcorder on a tripod. Or use the fence mounted QM-1 for a higher angle.

That’s what I use.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
I'm considering using a GOpro or similar to record practice matches. It's mainly as a learning tool and a bit of fun.

Do you guys use them and what's the etiquette around asking permission and sharing content etc?


I record a bunch, and teammates and opponents enjoy it. The caveat is, most don't want to be public on YouTube, so that is the permission you really need to clarify. I have 100's of matches and play that is unlisted on my channel and the only folks who have the link are those involved in it. I also have had a bunch of matches opponents agree to everything up front and it is supposed to go on my public videos for folks to see, but then when they get a sound beating, or just had an off day by their standards, it ends up as another unlisted video for just the players. Make sure you aren't being a a-hat and allow folks to be comfortable with what is shown. Just because they agree doesn't give you absolute permission too.

GoPro's are good. Get an external battery source and make sure to set the field of view from wide to a little tighter. I live in Arizona and never had one overheat, but I also shade it from direct sun. I love using my iPhone, which is what I do mostly, but have had a lot of issues with overheating and shutting down.
 

StringStrungStrang

Professional
The only thing I would add, is if you really want to use this footage for a commercial venture - get a signed release. Generally it is enough to just ask for permission. Don't try to make others look bad.
 

lockbox

Rookie
2 hours probably uses 35% of battery of iphone 13 pro max when indoors. Not sure how extreme heat or direct sunlight would affect it.

Interesting. I bought an Akaso on Amazon a few months back trying to save money on a gopro. It stopped working and am trying to work with the manufacturer to get a refund/new camera. Should have went go-pro.

With regards to the phone vs. go pro, my advice to the OP is - use whatever you will use consistently. I find that i'm less likely to put my phone up for whatever reason.
 
You'll get some interesting reactions from those who don't understand why it's beneficial to record matches. A few times I got a vibe like they thought I was being self-indulgent and just wanted to watch myself play. Some don't understand it's a learning tool.
 

MathGeek

Hall of Fame
I've been checking out the GoPro 10 as they are doing a bundle but hear its inclined to overheat. Can anyone recommend something?

Zoom on the GoPro is limited. I have one, and getting it in the right spot is tough. I've used a camcorder on a tripod, but the places I play have good places outside the fence to get the right field of view. Overheating is not a problem with the GoPro10, but to record the whole thing, you'll need a big memory card and an external battery.
 
if you are using phone with normal tripod, its hard to get the entire court
and it would look like this

if you want include the entire court, you got mount the camera high
 

snoflewis

Legend
I've been checking out the GoPro 10 as they are doing a bundle but hear its inclined to overheat. Can anyone recommend something?

i feel like that's been the issue with every gopro. i've been using a hero 7 black and have had pretty good luck with it. i also mount it to the back fence using one of those gorillapods with flexible legs and haven't had any issues yet.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
You'll get some interesting reactions from those who don't understand why it's beneficial to record matches. A few times I got a vibe like they thought I was being self-indulgent and just wanted to watch myself play. Some don't understand it's a learning tool.

Very true, but just in the last week I have a hitting partner I have started regularly practicing with and she had never seen herself on video, so I set up and she was FLOORED at the difference between what she thought she was doing and what the reality was. We talk for almost 45 minutes of the next practice about what she saw and things to improve - things she though she was already doing well, but really wasn't. Same with our captain where we played a practice set after playing three sets. He said he thought he was still moving well, and we both realized neither of use was really doing a split step as much as we thought. That perception vs. reality is great feedback.

if you are using phone with normal tripod, its hard to get the entire court
and it would look like this

if you want include the entire court, you got mount the camera high

If you have the Max you have a wide angle option, but you lose a bit of quality (not too much). But for those short back court it can be helpful if you want to be right center of the court. You can fudge things a bit and offset the camera to the right or left of the center and get more coverage of the close baseline. I played with that my last practice hit.


To start at :22 this was just offset to the DEUCE side, but standard 1x lens angle. Misses seeing the full AD side though for my BH.
Around 1:08 same lens but moved the camera a bit.
1:22 is the wide angle lens on the iPhone. This was almost TOO wide, so I could have zoomed in a bit from there.
1:41 was back to the 1x lens angle in the center, which doesn't cover the court as you mention. This is pretty standard for most courts.
5:44 was the wide angle but as far back as possible.

One big issue with super wide is you lose that perspcetive on the opposite side and ball trajectory/pace. So I personally like the 1x normal angle lens, but as you mention being higher up to get more court coverage.
 

atatu

Legend
Personally I don’t care for the fisheye lens look of the GoPro. I’d rather use a traditional camcorder on a tripod. Or use the fence mounted QM-1 for a higher angle.

That’s what I use.
There's no fisheye on a Gopro if you use the linear setting. The QM-1 is nice. Here are two videos I did recently one is an entire match (edited) and the second one I did for my opponents is the highlights of their best shots. They liked the second one better....

 

innoVAShaun

G.O.A.T.
Another great thing about using a GoPro, is that you can use your smartphone to see a preview and make any adjustments if necessary.
 

badmice2

Professional
There's an upload feature on the desktop version of swingvision that i believe will let you import into swingvision for analysis. So you technically can use your gopro to film and still get the benefit of the swingvision app. Though i believe the desktop app is mac only.
 
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