Red wine, coffee, dark chocolate: no health benefits

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  1. RajS

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    There is an Ayurvedic supplement commonly used in India for its general health benefits, that has about 5% alcohol (self generated), that people swear by. It's called "Dasamoolarishtam", and is made from herbs/spices common in India. Just pronouncing it will probably improve mouth health! The alcohol is believed to be useful because it can dissolve and deliver some herbal components that are not soluble in water. You are allowed to consume only a small quantity daily. But any addictive tendencies will be strongly suppressed by its awful taste, in my experience!
     
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    Raj, are you in touch with LeeD?

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    What about Chyawanaprash?

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    Hi Suresh, no I have not been in touch with him. I called the number I had for him and it seems to be disconnected. It is worrying...

    Yes, that is also a popular all-purpose remedy! But it is more like a paste, and as far as I know, it doesn't have any alcohol. It is also sweeter, and more acceptable to the palate!
     
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    Have there been any scientific studies done that prove that coffee promotes bowel movement ?

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    IIRC, when you were in India a couple years back, you had no bowel movement for almost 2 weeks. That means the coffee did not help.

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    It is mainly made from amla which I believe is very good (a lot of Vitamin C), but I prefer to have it raw in winter. Most people cook it, but to my knowledge cooking reduces or kills Vit C.

    Yes, there is a lot of sugar in Chyawanprash. And there was some rumour or talk of some metals in it. Thus I avoid it. I avoid all Ayurvedic products due to these rumours that once went around quite a bit. I don't mind having something like saunf (fennel seeds) or ajwain (carom seeds) after a meal to promote digestion. In fact, I love these two seeds.
     
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    In the north, I've heard people saying that they can't clear unless they've had their morning cup of tea. Are your sure this isn't just some psychological thing ?
     
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    I too like the sphinxter reaction to a cup of Joe but I also sweeten it with a few of your nuggets to make things ultra Smootherer.
     
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    Sureshs bowels before coffee:

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    Sureshs bowels after some Starbucks:

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    My father cannot clear if he doesn't get a coffee between 5 and 6 am! But then he is 84.
     
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    I don't know where you get that stuff. Problem in India is too much bowel movement, not less.
     
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    Keep up with the electrolyte supplements.
     
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    It seems that what he needs an ample supply of is toilet paper (if he uses that in India.)
     
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    I don't use toilet paper in India. The house that I stay in (which is my father-in-law's place) has an Indian version of bidet. It is a pipe with a nozzle which you manipulate near Uranus and spray.
     
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    Very green.
     
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    It sounds lovely. I am sure you won't have a problem spraying. :D
     
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    Mostly brown.
     
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    In fact, they are called Bidet Toilet Sprayers. See the contraption on the wall stand? You guide its mouth near Uranus and press the lever to spray.

    sentinel, can you post a selfie of yourself in action?

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    Ewww. Doesn't fecal matter get splashed all over the place? And then you need to hold that nozzle that somebody before you was using? Instead of asking @Sentinel to post a picture, can you post some vacation snapshots? Make sure Uranus doesn't completely eclipse the frame. :p
     
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    Correct. Since the pipe is hand held, it is quite possible it has been in intimate contact with someone else's butt. You just hope that the water pressure has washed everything away, and moreover bathroom cleaners are supposed to take care of that.

    The spraying needs to be focused. The more you press on the lever, the narrower the spray, but the harder it is, so it might be like a series of rocks hitting you. But it can feel like a pleasant massage too.

    You need to try it in person. Experiment with different pressures, positions, angles etc. and find your comfort zone of anal hydrotherapy.
     
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    You once divulged this to us in your tribute thread. How you came back, and took Colace, and had a wonderful glorious dump after two weeks. We had quite a lot of fun joking about that dump, and one poaster, i think it was Rusty talked about holdign it back for two days and seeing how it goes on the third.


    1. the spray from that thing is very powerful, so you do have to press it lightly so only a little water comes out.

    2. I would probably not use it in a public place due to the hands, but if i had to, would wash my hands thoroughly.

    3. I use it in summer, but then no one else uses my toilet. In winter the water from that is too cold.

    4. Suresh wants me to post a bum shot. You know him by now. Creepy guy.
     
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    I am shaking my head, too.
     
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    So what happens in the winter? Do you just hold it?
     
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    No you are confused. After I came back from hernia surgery, the pain killers gave me constipation, and the doctor asked me to take some colace. Eventually I had a glorious dump. Nothing to do with any India trip.
     
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    How long did it take to recover from surgery? Could you skip the painkillers?
     
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    I think I took it for a couple of days. I was back to work in a week, and playing tennis in 5 weeks.
     
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    Thanks for sharing. :eek:
     
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    He thinks. Because he was on drugs. But it could have been 5 weeks or possible 5months. Drugs
     
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    Now you are talking like Suri !!!

    I use a mug with some warm water in it.

    Thanks for the concern anyway :eek:
     
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    The details are there in the Official Tribute thread.

    So now you officially have memory loss and the onset of dementia as well :(
     
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    40 or so years ago, 60 Minutes had chieftain of Belgian Chocolatiers sum it up well using Good/Bad Drug analogy.

    Bad chocolate is like bad drugs - you feel worse later. Great chocolate is like good drugs - you feel great!

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    Aaaaah - Espresso and Dark Chocolate.

    "That is not the point. I am superior to all posters on the forum, that is the main thing." - sureshs
     
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    Normally I neither drink coffee nor eat chocolate. I appreciate the taste of good coffee, but caffeine does nothing for me. I do enjoy dark chocolate. I get the darkest Lindt they have. Is it 90% or 99%? Chalky stuff, almost with no sugar.
     
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    and still, vanilla ice cream outsells chocolate in the U.S. by 2 to 1. Who ARE these vanilla fans? Do they realize "plain vanilla" is an adjectival phrase meaning plain or ordinary and having no distinctive features?
     
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    Not to mention vanilla is manufactured using beaver's butt glands, whereas chocolate requires much superior materials imported directly from San Diego. :p
     
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    Actually, I just got some chocolate when I was at the store yesterday. I did some research because of this thread, and the one you want to go for within the Lindt range is the 85% Excellence. The reason is that the 90% and 99% is Dutched (meaning that the cocoa beans are treated with alkali to remove some of the bitterness,) so it loses between 60% and 90% of the natural flavonols of cocoa. They say whether it's treated with alkali in the Ingredients list, BTW.

    I also got some Endangered Species Black Panther, which is 88% also not Dutched. But this one has soy lethicin, which I try to avoid.

    I started the Lindt last night, and I had to eat 4 squares. So good.
     
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  37. Sentinel

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    Imagine the sureshsian golden nuggets after a dinner including red wine, black coffee and dark chocolate.
    Just imagine the color and rich texture.
    Just imagine.

    @JoelDali
     
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    Vanilla is often purchased at the supermarket as the flavor that will please most of the family, especially with the availability of toppings. You can add chocolate syrup to vanilla, but you can't really tone down the chocolate flavor in chocolate ice creams to be able to allow more subtle topping flavors to dominate (or cake or pie flavors alongside). Some may love their fruit toppings or apple pie with chocolate ice cream, but some will prefer a milder flavor.
     
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    Vanilla sucks.
     
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    Can science contradict itself?
     
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    I’m joking. Part of the joke is mocking the way science is reported in the popular media and then interpreted and understood by the general public. The other part of the joke is playing with sureshs prejudices and self conceits.
     
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    Sure. Usually something new contradicts something old, till the matter is resolved.

    In a more fundamental sense, there are deep problems in Physics where different approaches contradict each other in a fundamental sense, and we don't know if experiment can resolve it, or it will go away with yet another approach, etc.

    Be careful of any areas where everything is claimed to be known without disagreement. Such areas, like religion, are usually BS.
     
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    Does Religion claim to know everything? Really? You obviously are not familiar with the Council of Nicaea, and things like that. Your view of Religion is about as expansive as clear as looking at Uranus through a toilet paper roll.
     
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    Religious disagreements are based on the premise that there is any truth in the first place, so they are more of a joke. It is like people arguing whether a tennis racket is 1 mile or 1.1 miles long and constructing theologies around it.
     
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    Sadly the world doesn't really understand the scientific method and levels of evidence. And the media has no interest in enlightening them.

    There are plenty of published "scientific" papers that are meaningless because the methodology used contained too many biases and confounding variables.

    So an epidemiologic study that compares dementia rates in those that drink red wine vs teetotaller's would be totally uninterpretable for the most part. Say you found a difference and red wine drinkers had less dementia. An association never infers causation. You cannot conclude that red wine protects from dementia.
    There could have been confounders such as red wine drinkers having a higher education level, better access to preventative health care. Or there may have been biases such as non-demented patients over-estimating wine intake compared to demented patients.

    The proper scientific method to determine if red wine prevents dementia is to take a cohort of 40 year olds, randomly assign one group to no red wine, one group to low amounts of red wine and a third group to higher amounts of red wine. Follow them for 30 years and document the development of dementia. That study has yet to be done. But it would be acceptable scientific proof.

    So just remember that every time the media publishes an epidemiologic association. It's mostly a load of crap unless they've carefully removed bias and confounders. These type of association studies are for hypothesis building and not for determining causation.
     
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    I agree with what you say. And even in the study you suggest needs to happen, this would only be one study. Yes, it would provide proof, but even that wouldn't be enough to base any conclusions on I don't believe. For a hypothesis to be "generally accepted" would require more experiments and rigorous testing.

    What the media is reporting is the scientific process in action. Not all experiments are good experiments. Normally such experiments are just tossed into the trash. But the finding are so tantalizing to the public, that they make for good headlines. So of course some "scientist" is going to get it published and of course the media is going to pick up on it. Saying that drinking alcohol and eating chocolate is good for you is EXACTLY the kind of information we all want to hear so of course we are going to eat it up.

    But to my knowledge, the "scientific community" has never concluded that drinking wine and eating chocolate are beneficial to your health. There are just a few studies that suggest this might be true. And as you say, it's not clear to most people how good the studies are and if they really suggest anything. The scientific community has never said this to my knowledge. It's only the media that has made a big deal out of these studies and allow the public to draw their own conclusions. And the public has not trouble concluding that these things are beneficial to health. But that's not science's fault.
     
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    Just blaming the media will not do. The media has a responsibility of presenting tough scientific topics to the average person, and researchers also search out the media to get publicity for funding, and companies who manufacture products get into the act, like the pomegranate drink fiasco. Blaming researchers is also not fair, because simple popular headlines keep the funding going for other research activities in a society where scientists are perceived as a threat to the fascist tendencies of the government, and the average person has been brainwashed by religion to deny science.

    That is why senior faculty at every University must attend dinner get-togethers with wealthy philanthropists and give talks highlighting in an over-simplified way how the research benefits them.
     
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    I wasn't talking about the politics of the scientific community. I don't mind talking about that, but don't purposefully intermix topics just to confuse easily fooled people such as myself. Smart people like you have a moral obligation not to do this.
     
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    this really begs the question; why would the family be more pleased with vanilla? As for toppings, try marshmallow cream on vanilla ice cream -- you practically can't taste it. Put that marshmallow on chocolate -- "I'll have what he's having!!"
     
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