Reducing my travel costs in future. Thanks Uncle Pat!

hound 109

Semi-Pro
Look guys, I keep reading posts from people who either 1) don't have national junior competitors in their family.... or 2) are drinking Uncle Pat's kool-aid.

USTA says that a big change for next year is that Kids & parents won't have to spend as much money or do as much traveling to compete in the proposed L2, L3 & new L4 regional tournaments....& the USTA also says that they like cute puppies. Everyone chimes in that "hey....not traveling as much & not spending money is a good thing. And i like cute puppies too".

Full disclosure....Personally, I LIKE the new "Region" my kid will be in. (grouped with SoCal, SW & NoCal) Great competition, some cool places to visit (i like AZ, the OC & SF....& disneyland & cute puppies) & I've got family out there. But don't feed me that crappola that they're saving me money.

In 2011, my kid went to 3 L3s, 3 L2s & 2 L1s & 1 Zonal. We left the state 3 times. (twice on a plane) Could have done more but chose not to. We drove to tournaments located in 1) Texas Section 2) SW Section 3) MoValley Section 4) Southern Section. (all under 9 hour drives). We also flew to SoCal & Omaha once each.

With the NEW format, 2/3rds of the L2s & L3s (& the new regional L4s) will be located in cities/sections that I'll have to fly to. & my "Region" is a cakewalk compared to the poor shmoes living in Portland, Columbus Ohio, Denver, Vegas, Chicago etc. I hope those parents have frequent flyer miles in the bank so their little 4 & 5 stars can "follow the USTA pathway" that's been laid out for them. :twisted:

Again, I LIKE my kid's new region. But don't tell me it'll be cheaper.

& my biggest personal gripe....is that the one L1 that a normal family can enjoy: The kids are off from school & I don't have to take 6 days off from work & I (& everyone else west of the Mississippi) can DRIVE to it...... was the Winternational & they've decided to eliminate it altogether. (Plus it would have been the ONLY Supernational held between August & July (an 11 mos. window!!) had they kept it in the rotation.

There's lots of reasons the USTA has decided to do what they've done......but don't don't give me a load of cr*p about less travel or being "family friendly" or school friendly. (& don't give me that red herring argument about "point chasers".....there were NO point chasers in any 14s, 16s or 18s last year & no "point chasing opptys" in L2s or L1s in the 12s either. (& who really gives a rat if a 12 y/o girl from Chicago or an 11 y/o boy from Atlanta "chases" a point in 12s.....they'll be exposed in 14s anyway....if not sooner).

If you comment about "reducing travel" or "no more point chasers" as being two good reasons for the changes, then IMO, you're exposing yourself as not being knowledgable or informed about the reality of National Junior Tennis in 2011 & 2012.

hound <-----still reading up on the changes.....those L4 Regionals sound like good tournaments for 1rst year age ups to possibly try to get into & to compete in.....but you'll have to SPEND MONEY & TRAVEL to them.

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tennis5

Professional
Look guys, I keep reading posts from people who either 1) don't have national junior competitors in their family.... or 2) are drinking Uncle Pat's kool-aid.

USTA says that a big change for next year is that Kids & parents won't have to spend as much money or do as much traveling to compete in the proposed L2, L3 & new L4 regional tournaments....& the USTA also says that they like cute puppies. Everyone chimes in that "hey....not traveling as much & not spending money is a good thing. And i like cute puppies too".

Full disclosure....Personally, I LIKE the new "Region" my kid will be in. (grouped with SoCal, SW & NoCal) Great competition, some cool places to visit (i like AZ, the OC & SF....& disneyland & cute puppies) & I've got family out there. But don't feed me that crappola that they're saving me money.

In 2011, my kid went to 3 L3s, 3 L2s & 2 L1s & 1 Zonal. We left the state 3 times. (twice on a plane) Could have done more but chose not to. We drove to tournaments located in 1) Texas Section 2) SW Section 3) MoValley Section 4) Southern Section. (all under 9 hour drives). We also flew to SoCal & Omaha once each.

With the NEW format, 2/3rds of the L2s & L3s (& the new regional L4s) will be located in cities/sections that I'll have to fly to. & my "Region" is a cakewalk compared to the poor shmoes living in Portland, Columbus Ohio, Denver, Vegas, Chicago etc. I hope those parents have frequent flyer miles in the bank so their little 4 & 5 stars can "follow the USTA pathway" that's been laid out for them. :twisted:

Again, I LIKE my kid's new region. But don't tell me it'll be cheaper.

& my biggest personal gripe....is that the one L1 that a normal family can enjoy: The kids are off from school & I don't have to take 6 days off from work & I (& everyone else west of the Mississippi) can DRIVE to it...... was the Winternational & they've decided to eliminate it altogether. (Plus it would have been the ONLY Supernational held between August & July (an 11 mos. window!!) had they kept it in the rotation.

There's lots of reasons the USTA has decided to do what they've done......but don't don't give me a load of cr*p about less travel or being "family friendly" or school friendly. (& don't give me that red herring argument about "point chasers".....there were NO point chasers in any 14s, 16s or 18s last year & no "point chasing opptys" in L2s or L1s in the 12s either. (& who really gives a rat if a 12 y/o girl from Chicago or an 11 y/o boy from Atlanta "chases" a point in 12s.....they'll be exposed in 14s anyway....if not sooner).

If you comment about "reducing travel" or "no more point chasers" as being two good reasons for the changes, then IMO, you're exposing yourself as not being knowledgable or informed about the reality of National Junior Tennis in 2011 & 2012.

hound <-----still reading up on the changes.....those L4 Regionals sound like good tournaments for 1rst year age ups to possibly try to get into & to compete in.....but you'll have to SPEND MONEY & TRAVEL to them.

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Facts, figures, mileage, parents vacation time allowed at Xmas are all important in the logistics of planning for a junior's tennis schedule. Never considered in their plan.

On a different perspective, keeping all the northerners together is not idea
( no, not because we are not as friendly and nice as our southern neighbors),
but because it keeps up playing inside.... 9 months now of indoor bubble time.

My son's goal is to play in a warm weather climate for college.
Every chance he got to play in Ohio or Florida, we chose Florida.
One the flights were cheaper, but more importantly for him, it was the opportunity to play outside in a tournament condition.
While he probably would have done better, flying on a Friday night to an indoor bubble tournament,
( sun in your eyes, wind, the dreaded wind.....)
he wanted to build up his experience playing outdoors even if it meant a loss.
 
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MarTennis

Semi-Pro
hound <-----still reading up on the changes.....those L4 Regionals sound like good tournaments for 1rst year age ups to possibly try to get into & to compete in.....but you'll have to SPEND MONEY & TRAVEL to them.

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What would be the opportunity for the 1st year age ups? Apply newbie tone of voice to question.:)
 

hound 109

Semi-Pro
hound <-----still reading up on the changes.....those L4 Regionals sound like good tournaments for 1rst year age ups to possibly try to get into & to compete in.....but you'll have to SPEND MONEY & TRAVEL to them.


What would be the opportunity for the 1st year age ups? Apply newbie tone of voice to question.:)

No worries, two years ago i was a newbie to this. Thankfully i knew some folks (locally) who clued me in & there were people on this board (like tennis 5, justin madison & keys mickey & a few other parents) who knew the drill. (note - alot of coaches & usta cheerleaders who post on here are knowledgable about strokes, & have "opinions" on all sorts of issues from college tennis to quickstart......but are utterly clueless when it comes to getting into & competing effectively in Junior National Tournaments).

The way the situation is currently, unless one is a top 30 national &/or Blue Chip type player, a first year age up wouldn't be able to get into L2s or L1s in 2010, 2011 or 2012 (at least in 14s, 16s & 18s). Because of this, the L3s (& Zonals) were good tournaments for the first year age up to get national experience and gather national points.

Now that they're talking about scaling back the L1s & L2s, so (imo) a bunch of 5 star & high ranked 4 star kids who last year would have skipped L3s (or play up in L3s) will be shoved out of the higher level tournaments & now they'll be playing the L3s trying to get back into the upper echelon.

Obviously, alot of this will depend on your kid & your section. But if your kid isn't a top 20 player kid in the country, then when they roll this new schedule out (imo)......the first year of age up will be about getting your sectional ranking up to a very high level & trying to sneak into an L4 & L3 (& the zonal) wherever you can.

The only way for a first year age up to get into the L3s or L2s under the new program will be if he breaks into the higher tier of his section BEFORE aging up. (For example in Texas Section, really need to be top 20 or top 15 in the 16s while he's still 14.)


The reason i mention the L4s as a possibility for the first year age up, is that it appears that:

- The Uber chosen few top 15-20 national kids won't ever have to play any L2s 3s or 4s because there are enough L1s (with lots of wild cards) under the new regime schedule, that they won't have to ever slum with the riff raff again.

- The L2s will be the SAME weekend as the L4s. (There will be 3 L2s & 4 L4s that same weekend).

- One of the L4's dates will be Thanksgiving. Not everyone will be willing to travel to Midland or Modesto or Murfreesboro on Turkey day for L4 points.

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andfor

Legend
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- The L2s will be the SAME weekend as the L4s. (There will be 3 L2s & 4 L4s that same weekend).

- One of the L4's dates will be Thanksgiving. Not everyone will be willing to travel to Midland or Modesto or Murfreesboro on Turkey day for L4 points.

You make a lot of good points. However, I fail to see them proving out. I remain open to being wrong.

I will say on one point you are dead wrong. The L4 in the Southerns are heavily attended over Thanksgiving and always have been. http://www.southern.usta.com/Juniors/tournaments_rankings/2012_level_14_tournaments/

I also see the Level 4 Regional Nationals as a stepping stone to the L3 and L2's. Combine that with the fact that there are so many of them on the same weekend opportunities to play national level tournaments remain. One argument is the competition will still be from the same section and you'll play the same players. I agree but only to a degree. Here's one that has a good mix of in and out of region players. http://tennislink.usta.com/TOURNAMENTS/TournamentHome_New/Tournament.aspx?T=106885

The USTA has made mistakes granted. I believe with much of this issue the complaining is hand wringing. In the meantime I remain open to being proven wrong.
 
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PennAlum

Rookie
Look guys, I keep reading posts from people who either 1) don't have national junior competitors in their family.... or 2) are drinking Uncle Pat's kool-aid.

USTA says that a big change for next year is that Kids & parents won't have to spend as much money or do as much traveling to compete in the proposed L2, L3 & new L4 regional tournaments....& the USTA also says that they like cute puppies. Everyone chimes in that "hey....not traveling as much & not spending money is a good thing. And i like cute puppies too".

Full disclosure....Personally, I LIKE the new "Region" my kid will be in. (grouped with SoCal, SW & NoCal) Great competition, some cool places to visit (i like AZ, the OC & SF....& disneyland & cute puppies) & I've got family out there. But don't feed me that crappola that they're saving me money.

In 2011, my kid went to 3 L3s, 3 L2s & 2 L1s & 1 Zonal. We left the state 3 times. (twice on a plane) Could have done more but chose not to. We drove to tournaments located in 1) Texas Section 2) SW Section 3) MoValley Section 4) Southern Section. (all under 9 hour drives). We also flew to SoCal & Omaha once each.

With the NEW format, 2/3rds of the L2s & L3s (& the new regional L4s) will be located in cities/sections that I'll have to fly to. & my "Region" is a cakewalk compared to the poor shmoes living in Portland, Columbus Ohio, Denver, Vegas, Chicago etc. I hope those parents have frequent flyer miles in the bank so their little 4 & 5 stars can "follow the USTA pathway" that's been laid out for them. :twisted:

Again, I LIKE my kid's new region. But don't tell me it'll be cheaper.

& my biggest personal gripe....is that the one L1 that a normal family can enjoy: The kids are off from school & I don't have to take 6 days off from work & I (& everyone else west of the Mississippi) can DRIVE to it...... was the Winternational & they've decided to eliminate it altogether. (Plus it would have been the ONLY Supernational held between August & July (an 11 mos. window!!) had they kept it in the rotation.

There's lots of reasons the USTA has decided to do what they've done......but don't don't give me a load of cr*p about less travel or being "family friendly" or school friendly. (& don't give me that red herring argument about "point chasers".....there were NO point chasers in any 14s, 16s or 18s last year & no "point chasing opptys" in L2s or L1s in the 12s either. (& who really gives a rat if a 12 y/o girl from Chicago or an 11 y/o boy from Atlanta "chases" a point in 12s.....they'll be exposed in 14s anyway....if not sooner).

If you comment about "reducing travel" or "no more point chasers" as being two good reasons for the changes, then IMO, you're exposing yourself as not being knowledgable or informed about the reality of National Junior Tennis in 2011 & 2012.

hound <-----still reading up on the changes.....those L4 Regionals sound like good tournaments for 1rst year age ups to possibly try to get into & to compete in.....but you'll have to SPEND MONEY & TRAVEL to them.

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You biotched, moaned and complained but you didn't explain your reasoning. It is definitely cheaper and you spend less time away from school.
 

Tennishacker

Professional
You biotched, moaned and complained but you didn't explain your reasoning. It is definitely cheaper and you spend less time away from school.

I think what hound109 is trying to say is that under the new schedule for nationals, there are less national tournaments, and they are located further from where he lives. Compared to old system, there were much more nationals that were close to him.

In my case, since there were more nationals (under old system), it made it easier to schedule those tournaments around injuries, family events and school.
 

hound 109

Semi-Pro
You biotched, moaned and complained but you didn't explain your reasoning. It is definitely cheaper and you spend less time away from school.

Get a map out & re-read the post. For an Ivy Leaguer you need a refresher on reading comprehension.

Under the new system a kid who is talented & is inclined to compete in Nationals (& is from any section that isn't a part of the 13 colonies or Ponce De Leon's discovery).... will travel FURTHER & earn less points.

And they've dumped the Winternational. (the one non-summer tournament NOT affected by school).

Not biotching.....stating facts.

For 75% of the 4 & 5 Star players in America it's definitely NOT cheaper & you definitely spend MORE time away from school.

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What you don't understand is that the USTA doesn't care about missing school since they think you have to be homeschooled to make it.

Unlike the #1 and #2 B18 players in the USTA system right now, which are both in public school.
 
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