Reference thread for Djokovic closing in on key stats and records

[Fiero425]

He had an even weaker era from 2015- present (5 years and counting)

He’s lucky to be playing in the weakest grass era ever too or he would have 0-1 Wimbledon titles.

Well that's ridiculous! The Next Gens that have passed of late may not have won or beaten the Big 3, but they are far from weak! They have talent and have the ability to win over elite players, but are just unable to complete the deal when it counts; even with multiple MP's! You see more upsets now, but The Big 3 still "own it" for the time being! We'll see what 2020 brings; so far it's still on Nole who started the season well taking the ATP Cup and AO!

 

[The Guru]

Djokovic's losses and unexpected results are also continously justified with injuries, tired, choke, not peak, etc. All fanbases put arguments to justify losses or unexpected results.

Anyhow, you are changing the topic. If he doesn't reply those two points @StrongRule adressed previoulsy, he is avoiding him.

1 Why is supposedly the RG 2013 SF a choke but the AO 2012 isn't when both matches had a similar score and similar 5th set?

2. Why all/most close matches that Nadal wins over Djokovic are a supposedly a choke from the Serbian?

I think a better way of saying it is that Djokovic had a real shot of winning that match and blew it on an incredibly stupid mental error. Had Novak won it would've been reasonable to say Nadal blew the 4th set but this is the way it is in close matches. Both guys have opportunities and one blows it and it's extremely obvious when it's an error like the one Novak made. Also, it's fair to say Nadal blew it in the 5th of AO 12 with that missed BHDTL pass but Djokovic also blew the 4th. Again that's the nature of close matches.

 

[Midaso240]

Who cares? Dude will never be unanimous GOAT even with 22 slams because people don't like him as much as Fedal

 

[Fiero425]

Who cares? Dude will never be unanimous GOAT even with 22 slams because people don't like him as much as Fedal

That may be true, but they'll only be deluding themselves and not facing up to facts! I know that's the thing these days with some people (esp. in the Trump era) who'd rather live in fantasyland and believe "alt-fact!" I'm just glad I'm old and feeble and won't have to deal with those a-holes much longer!

 

[CYGS]

That may be true, but they'll only be deluding themselves and not facing up to facts! I know that's the thing these days with some people (esp. in the Trump era) who'd rather live in fantasyland and believe "alt-fact!" I'm just glad I'm old and feeble and won't have to deal with those a-holes much longer!

Believe me they care. Their self-worth is entirely based on Cow's goathood, which is as fragile as their egos.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Phenomenal comment

 

[RaulRamirez]

Who cares? Dude will never be unanimous GOAT even with 22 slams because people don't like him as much as Fedal

That's objective.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Djoker is also gunning to join Pete at the top of the YE # 1 tree this year on 6.

 

[Fiero425]

Djoker is also gunning to join Pete at the top of the YE # 1 tree this year on 6.

He was robbed twice; 2016 & 2019! Came down to the YEC, but shouldn't have! I think they need to get more points for major winss! No way should someone like Murray take the YE #1 with one major and a bunch of 500 events to overtake Djokovic with 2 majors, a major final, and 4 Masters! Fed got some satisfaction by helping to derail Nole at the YEC last season!

 

[CYGS]

He was robbed twice; 2016 & 2019! Came down to the YEC, but shouldn't have! I think they need to get more points for major winss! No way should someone like Murray take the YE #1 with one major and a bunch of 500 events to overtake Djokovic with 2 majors, a major final, and 4 Masters! Fed got some satisfaction by helping to derail Nole at the YEC last season!

We don't need shoulda woulda coulda arguments. That's for Cow fans. He will get it even surpass it next year. Be patient.

 

[beard]

Where are the stats for victories over the top 10 and top 5 in Grand Slam titles of the Big 3? I think stats of Slams are more relevant than some general stats mixed with Masters 1000 and ATP 500 matches.

Don't have it, would like to see my self too...

 

[beard]

if you want to see how peak Nole would do vs peak Fed see their 2012 match except it would be in straight sets

yes Fed had 1peak year with the new Racket in 2017 then sadly declined again. He was old and weak opponent in 14/15/19

Fantasy tennis again? Not interested...
Luckily Fed has moments of youth throughout his oldeness

 

[uscwang]

It's quite comical how far behind is Nadal with top 5 and 10 wins. Maybe there is something in all the cake draws claims, we here so often on these boards...

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#4 and #3 in Open era is comical? Have you achieved anything ranked top 3 million in the world in your life?

 

[beard]

Where are the stats for victories over the top 10 and top 5 in Grand Slam titles of the Big 3? I think stats of Slams are more relevant than some general stats mixed with Masters 1000 and ATP 500 matches.

Found...

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/some-big-3-slam-wins-statistics.664517/

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Nadal leads the H2H in Slams over both Federer and Djokovic, and has a higher winning percentage in Slam finals than any of them. That is comical.

If only we could exclude Roland Garros from the equation oh how things would change...LOL

 

[ForehandRF]

If only we could exclude Roland Garros from the equation oh how things would change...LOL

Federer and Nadal played 6 times at RG and 8 times at the other slams combined.
Djokovic and Nadal played 7 times at Rg and 8 times at the other slams combined.
In conclusion, they played way too much at the French, 13 of the total 29 slam meetings among them taking place there.

 

[GoldenMasters]

Fedr is old, Fedr is so old. Its not fair, nothing is fair cuz Fedr is so much older than Djoker. Omg it took Djoker for Fedr to get old to turn the h2h around. OMFG WHY ARE YOU SO OLD ROGER. Not fair we need to cry even more.

PS: No one cares about age. Stop with silly excuses and grow up.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Federer and Nadal played 6 times at RG and 8 times at the other slams combined.
Djokovic and Nadal played 7 times at Rg and 8 times at the other slams combined.
In conclusion, they played way too much at the French, 13 of the total 29 slam meetings among them taking place there.

That's what i was meant when i said - "Oh how things would change", so thanks for helping me out there...didn't feel like digging out these particular stats, so you beat me to it! LOL

 

[DSH]

Nishikori, Pouille, and RBA were not tough SF opponents for Djokovic

Isn't the 38 yo guy with no mobility unbeaten against Nadal off the clay for the past few years?

Exactly, the Federer version of 2017 is the same as its most deteriorated version, with zero mobility and injured of 2020.
At least for you it is, isn't it?

 

[jm1980]

Exactly, the Federer version of 2017 is the same as its most deteriorated version, with zero mobility and injured of 2020.
At least for you it is, isn't it?

I seem to recall this deteriorated Federer beat one Rafael Nadal in a slam SF and then went on lose to Djokovic in the final? Must be my imagination.

 

[DSH]

I seem to recall this deteriorated Federer beat one Rafael Nadal in a slam SF and then went on lose to Djokovic in the final? Must be my imagination.

Are you comparing Federer of Wimbledon 2019 with what we saw few weeks ago in Australia?

 

[PeoplesChamp]

If someone can't enjoy what Djokovic was doing in 2011 and 2015-16 then I'm not sure they are really fans of tennis. You cannot play the game better than that. Yes Federer has the aesthetic appeal but Djokovic played the game with such ruthless technical efficiency that it took everyone aback and former players, coaches and pundits all marveled at the way he was playing. Some people are just fans of players, not the game itself.

Funny that you chose to go ahead and quote me here even after I revealed in my next post that I was sort of kidding and that I do get into some of Djoker's matches and have an appreciation for his skills. Oh well, you managed 6 likes from your cronies. Good job

Also, I'm a fan of other players as well. Just not Novak Djokovic, so sue me. Not a fan of the game lol.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

The store assistant must've somehow known you were dissing Djokovic at the time and decided to punish you.

Seriously though, I hope you got it sorted out.

Haha.

Thanks. They told me I have to wait 3-5 days and then go back to the store. They either pay me back or I have to sue. I bet they won't pay me back because there's really no way to prove it. Not going to sue over 80 bucks. This is first time I've ever dealt with something like that. Sucks.

 

[Phoenix1983]

No grass GOAT loses 3-0 in wimbledon finals troll.

Out of interest, do you think PETE is the grass GOAT then?

Or perhaps an earlier player like Gonzales or Laver?

 

[Fiero425]

Out of interest, do you think PETE is the grass GOAT then?

Or perhaps an earlier player like Gonzales or Laver?

To me Sampras was the consummate grass court player; not Federer now or ever! We say he's the "grass GOAT" due to him winning 8 on something akin to HC!

 

[vex]

Murray in 2012/2013 form would dominate Nole at Wimbledon son. Yea Fed sucked in those finals could barely pass the service line with his regular shots.

Ok

what happened to u man? You have gone completely off the rails. Maybe take a break from TTW for a week

 

[NoleFam]

Funny that you chose to go ahead and quote me here even after I revealed in my next post that I was sort of kidding and that I do get into some of Djoker's matches and have an appreciation for his skills. Oh well, you managed 6 likes from your cronies. Good job

Also, I'm a fan of other players as well. Just not Novak Djokovic, so sue me. Not a fan of the game lol.

Well I missed that post where you said that so disregard I guess.

You don't have to be a fan of an athlete to appreciate their skills. That's the case for many athletes I watch.

 

[Lew II]

I've been looking for all kind of stats but at the end of the day these are the only that really matter to most people:

slam titles
#1 weeks
h2h against rivals

 

[Hitman]

I've been looking for all kind of stats but at the end of the day these are the only that really matter to most people:

slam titles
#1 weeks
h2h against rivals

We know.

 

[swordtennis]

Out of interest, do you think PETE is the grass GOAT then?

Or perhaps an earlier player like Gonzales or Laver?

Yes to me Pete is grass goat. Esp faster grass. And i am not one of these people who think the wimbledon grass today plays like clay it does not.
In general this is how i view the big 3.
Federer fast courts grass and hc.
Djokovic medium to slow grass and hc
Nadal clay and courts with a high bounce for his topspin.
Now i will get swarmed by the locusts for this as @Sunny Ali has been as well for stating it to me on these Wimbledon courts Djokovic is a better grass court player than Federer.
Those who bash djokovics game on grass are missing the little things he has done to get those 5 titles.
Even djokovic 2011 game would not be getting 5 titles. He might have slugged his way to 2.

 

[helterskelter]

Djokovic's win over Khachanov confirms his 280th, 281st, and 282nd weeks as #1, putting him within four weeks of tying Sampras for second all-time.

Still barely making a dent in Fed's lead, given that it's Project 950 thanks to the weak era of nobody born since 1988 ever having picked up a tennis racket.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Djokovic's win over Khachanov confirms his 280th, 281st, and 282nd weeks as #1, putting him within four weeks of tying Sampras for second all-time.

Still barely making a dent in Fed's lead, given that it's Project 950 thanks to the weak era of nobody born since 1988 ever having picked up a tennis racket.

Not you as well helterskelter!

 

[Hitman]

Djokovic's win over Khachanov confirms his 280th, 281st, and 282nd weeks as #1, putting him within four weeks of tying Sampras for second all-time.

Still barely making a dent in Fed's lead, given that it's Project 950 thanks to the weak era of nobody born since 1988 ever having picked up a tennis racket.

What is Project 950?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic's win over Khachanov confirms his 280th, 281st, and 282nd weeks as #1, putting him within four weeks of tying Sampras for second all-time.

Still barely making a dent in Fed's lead, given that it's Project 950 thanks to the weak era of nobody born since 1988 ever having picked up a tennis racket.

 

[helterskelter]

Not you as well helterskelter!

Wait, are you seriously going to tell me that you've ever seen anyone under the age of 32 hold a tennis racket? Come on! Tennis is yesterday's news. That's why we have weak era champions like post-peak, post-prime, post-retirement old men like Djokovic and Nadal. Until they started winning, I had never even known that people as old as them existed!

 

[helterskelter]

What is Project 950?

950 weeks at #1 to surpass Federer's record of 310, because: a) weak era weeks don't count as much as strong era weeks, and b) when there's a trendsetter, surpassing their legacy means SMASHING their record, not just dribbling past it. For example, if Djokovic got to 311 weeks, Federer would be the leader, and Djokovic no more than the follower. This is the weeks at #1 equivalent of Project 26 in the Slam race. You know of that, I assume?

 

[NoleFam]

950 weeks at #1 to surpass Federer's record of 310, because: a) weak era weeks don't count as much as strong era weeks, and b) when there's a trendsetter, surpassing their legacy means SMASHING their record, not just dribbling past it. For example, if Djokovic got to 311 weeks, Federer would be the leader, and Djokovic no more than the follower. This is the weeks at #1 equivalent of Project 26 in the Slam race. You know of that, I assume?

 

[Hitman]

950 weeks at #1 to surpass Federer's record of 310, because: a) weak era weeks don't count as much as strong era weeks, and b) when there's a trendsetter, surpassing their legacy means SMASHING their record, not just dribbling past it. For example, if Djokovic got to 311 weeks, Federer would be the leader, and Djokovic no more than the follower. This is the weeks at #1 equivalent of Project 26 in the Slam race. You know of that, I assume?

LOL OK.

 

[Lew II]

Wait, are you seriously going to tell me that you've ever seen anyone under the age of 32 hold a tennis racket? Come on! Tennis is yesterday's news. That's why we have weak era champions like post-peak, post-prime, post-retirement old men like Djokovic and Nadal. Until they started winning, I had never even known that people as old as them existed!

True. Young people decided to give up with tennis because they don't like the prize money going to the stars. Money is disgusting.

 

[Fiero425]

LOL OK.

The desperation and fear of what's happening is making Federer fans grasp straws! I won't even try to figure out their thinking concerning this weeks @#1!

 

[NoleFam]

The desperation and fear of what's happening is making Federer fans grasp straws! I won't even try to figure out their thinking concerning this weeks @#1!

I'm pretty sure he's joking. Lol

 

[Eren]

What makes me laugh is that Nadal isn't even relevant in any of the lists

On a serious note, I thought the gap between Federer, Djokovic OTOH vs. Nadal OTOH would be a fair amount smaller. But so you see.

 

[Third Serve]

The desperation and fear of what's happening is making Federer fans grasp straws! I won't even try to figure out their thinking concerning this weeks @#1!

He’s clearly joking. There’s no way people actually believe that.

Well, it might not be outside the realm of possibility, considering a rather rabid portion of the Federer fanbase pushes that dumb Project 26 idea.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Yes to me Pete is grass goat. Esp faster grass. And i am not one of these people who think the wimbledon grass today plays like clay it does not.
In general this is how i view the big 3.
Federer fast courts grass and hc.
Djokovic medium to slow grass and hc
Nadal clay and courts with a high bounce for his topspin.
Now i will get swarmed by the locusts for this as @Sunny Ali has been as well for stating it to me on these Wimbledon courts Djokovic is a better grass court player than Federer.
Those who bash djokovics game on grass are missing the little things he has done to get those 5 titles.
Even djokovic 2011 game would not be getting 5 titles. He might have slugged his way to 2.

Djokovic leads Federer 3-1 at Wimbledon overall and 3-0 in finals. I can understand some people like large sample sizes but 4 matches is enough to make a determination, IMO. The stats clearly point to Djokovic being superior. Why some Federer fans take that as an insult is beyond me.

I hated seeing Juan Pablo Montoya getting spanked by Michael Schumacher time and again until I realized one day ... Michael was simply the superior driver! From that point, I learned to appreciate the genius of Michael.

 

[swordtennis]

Djokovic leads Federer 3-1 at Wimbledon overall and 3-0 in finals. I can understand some people like large sample sizes but 4 matches is enough to make a determination, IMO. The stats clearly point to Djokovic being superior. Why some Federer fans take that as an insult is beyond me.

I hated seeing Juan Pablo Montoya getting spanked by Michael Schumacher time and again until I realized one day ... Michael was simply the superior driver! From that point, I learned to appreciate the genius of Michael.

Schumacher is a legend. Brings back memories of that F1 era.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Schumacher is a legend. Brings back memories of that F1 era.

Fully agreed

 

[swordtennis]

Fully agreed

Who was that great driver who wrecked and ruined his legs and had to retire? He was a great driver. Senna died. It was that other driver early 2000s. Horrible crash car ripped in half his legs were exposed. Forgot his name.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Who was that great driver who wrecked and ruined his legs and had to retire? He was a great driver. Senna died. It was that other driver early 2000s. Horrible crash car ripped in half his legs were exposed. Forgot his name.

Alex Zanardi

 

[ForehandRF]

Djokovic leads Federer 3-1 at Wimbledon overall and 3-0 in finals. I can understand some people like large sample sizes but 4 matches is enough to make a determination, IMO. The stats clearly point to Djokovic being superior. Why some Federer fans take that as an insult is beyond me.

I hated seeing Juan Pablo Montoya getting spanked by Michael Schumacher time and again until I realized one day ... Michael was simply the superior driver! From that point, I learned to appreciate the genius of Michael.

You are biased and you act like nothing else matters, just the H2H and these are not even meetings back in Fed's best years.H2H <<< achievements/titles.If Djokovic reaches 8 Wimby titles, then we'll talk.The difference of 3 titles is huge in tennis and this can't be compensated by H2H.Using your logic, Murray is a greater grass courter than Djokovic.

 

[Enceladus]

Mentally frail with 20 slams

Not in compared to the game field. In compared to Djokodal, yes.