Reflection on what it takes to become good at tennis

FiReFTW

Legend
Was reflecting back on my tennis journey so far and thinking it would be interesting to share and even hear other people's views.

I find it quite crazy now when I reflect back at it, and I also have a better understanding that someone who just starts playing or someone who doesn't play but is a friend of someone that plays (me for example) can't even comprehend the depth and nuances of everything it takes and how much time and effort and everything it takes for small improvements, they just can't possibly comprehend it.

A funny thing was now when I started playing league this year I told my friend that people here play for 10+ years so she shouldn't be expecting many wins if any yet, because she said I need to kill it, and she was like nah cmon uve been playing for a while now cmon you know how to play your gonna kill them.. and I just thought in my head.. oh if only you knew what it takes (mileage, match experience, stroke development etc..)

Only someone who has been in the journey can comprehend, but even they can only comprehend it depending on how long they have been on the journey.

I can have a good understanding of everything up to 2.5years of playing, but compared to someone who has played seriously for 5 or 10 years I still don't have the experience and can't really comprehend all the depth and nuances that come after.

When I started playing 2.5 years ago I thought 1x per week on average (sometimes with a friend sometimes some coaching) aswell as some solo serve practice on court in the summer would be a decent amount of tennis and I will improve alot in some months and play good level tennis after few months, goes to show what most people probably think before starting.

I was playing like that for a whole 1st year and I did improve a decent amount, but it was the first taste I got of the reality of how slow this process is, before starting I thought I would play very good tennis in some months, but now after 1 year I had some better understanding exactly how slow this process is and how slow the improvements are.. and even tho I made some solid improvements my tennis level is not even close to being good or even decent.. and its also then when I realized that to reach a good tennis level 1x per week is not nearly enough, its not even close to being enough.

Its then that I started to increase my volume and had 1 coaching lesson per week where it would be me and a girl playing and drilling under coach supervision and also playing with a friend sometimes, so it was more like 2x per week then and sometimes 3x with some group clinics for a good 5-6 months.
I noticed that this volume increase was benefitial and that my level didn't drop much from previous time as opposed to when I played 1x per week when the next time my timing and everything was off and needed 30 mins to get back or so because of so many off days inbetween.
And I noticed more improvements as opposed to before when I played less.
The girl I played with in those coaching sessions also plays tennis for 15 years (shes 42) and was decent and when we started she was overwhelming me heavily, but after those months I was getting slowly better than her and she also did alot of breaks between which I found annoying.

Then last year in June me and coach decided to really take a more individual aproach and I started working directly with coach and increased my volume by quite alot, 3x per week 1 hour lessons aswell as some group clinics and playing with friends sometimes, and some solo court practicing serves.. so I would say probably around 5-7hours per week of court time with alot of coaching aswell, and did it for the whole summer for around 4 months or so, and I made really a lot of improvements in this time span, it goes to show that you do need court time and you do need to play and practice alot.
Then during this winter I started decent amount of tennis then between I had some issues and stuff and didn't play alot, now for the past month I again started more...
But anyway I played quite a good amount of tennis since 1 year and it shows because I made a ton more improvements than in the 1.5 year before and it feels like overall I have quite alot of mileage and have hit thousands of thousands of shots and forehands and everything (at least compared to an average not so serious tennis player who goes to play 1x per week or not even that) and yet I know exactly what kind of level each of my strokes are at and I know exactly how much more my strokes need to reach certain levels, and I know that even tho I made alot of improvements in this 1 year that I have SOOOOO SOOOOO much to improve in basically every stroke and shot.. but of course some strokes way more than others...

Now as June is coming along, im ready for yet another intense summer of 4-5 months of heavy tennis, this summer will be even more intense than last year with more court time.
Idealy (if weather is nice) 3-4hours of coaching per week 3-4hours of sparring and a league match that can take 1-3hours. Including some tournaments every month aswell as some solo court serve practice and especially a lot of fitness work with a fitness coach that my tennis coach is bringing in now for her junior players, but im going to be attending those fitness trainings aswell.
So again, there will be alot of work and alot of effort put into this summer, and I know again that I will probably make some decent improvements over the course of the summer, but yet I realize that im sooo sooo far away still from reaching even close to what I want to reach, based on how my strokes are now (power, spin, consistency, placement etc...).

It will take many summers more and many winters more, and my game will be more and more complete and my strokes will be better and better, but yet I will still have so much more to improve heavily.

Tennis really is an extremely difficult sport, and the longer and more you play it and practice (if your serious about it) the more you realize just how much depth it has, the sheer depth and nuances of each strokes and how many strokes and how many different situations of these strokes and your fitness, balance, coordination and everything... whooh... its mind bogling.

Anyway I hope you guys enjoy this read from a vivid tennis player reflecting on his 2.5 year journey so far, maybe you can relate in some parts, maybe you have your own stories and thoughts regarding this, share it!
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Just re-read through it and wanted to point out that this is not a rant because it might strike as it lol.
Im more than happy what i achieved in the past year of more serious tennis, specialy compared to others who play much longer.
Just wanted to share how my view on everything changed and how much more depth and everything i see now in tennis, and im sure when il look back few years from now il think the same for my current knowledge and view.
 

Kobble

Hall of Fame
I find that it is not developing strokes that is so hard but developing the timing to use the strokes under a variety of circumstances. it is amazing how strokes break down at all levels because the player cannot time and position appropriately. That is why a girly girl like Martina Hingis could take alot of bigger hitters to the fun house. She just has the ingrained ability to deal with a variety of incoming shots.
 
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Chadalina

Guest
Lol il probably be wise and have all the experience and knowledge by then, but be annoyed that im not nearly as good as i was 20 years ago

Tennis is a very fun journey. Knowledge vs athletisism (sp) vs time. You will be much better in 20yrs, wont be thinking about mechanics or simple hitting, getting to the ball becomes the obsticale :)

Id say around yr 5-6 with good training is when you start to get it. Need many losses to find your weaknesses. I was lucky, played a few guys in the top200, just copied what they did to hurt me and applied myself.

This guy gave me my biggest butt kicking of all time, was on clay too (his best). 6-0-6-1, ive lost like that before but this guy was a beast, perfect 1h bh with deep and heavy off both sides. I play like him now :)

https://www.atptour.com/en/players/patricio-arnold/a224/overview
 
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AlexSV

Semi-Pro
Glad your process is going so well and you're still enjoying it.

One thing I noticed was the contradiction between struggling in the league this summer due to experience versus your training focus which is perfecting your strokes. Something to think about.

A funny thing was now when I started playing league this year I told my friend that people here play for 10+ years so she shouldn't be expecting many wins if any yet

I know exactly what kind of level each of my strokes are at and I know exactly how much more my strokes need to reach certain levels

It will take many summers more and many winters more, and my game will be more and more complete and my strokes will be better and better, but yet I will still have so much more to improve heavily.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
One thing I noticed was the contradiction between struggling in the league this summer due to experience versus your training focus which is perfecting your strokes. Something to think about.

Im not sure I understand what you mean with this?
 

AlexSV

Semi-Pro
Im not sure I understand what you mean with this?

You seem to be very focused on perfecting your strokes. But in this thread you mention a lack of mileage and in your match reports you seem to be struggling with focus, getting tight during important points and dealing with that guy who was better than you. You also won your first match and were playing strong in the second match. Maybe you need to worry less about technique and trust what you have? Possibly shift your training more to match scenarios?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
You seem to be very focused on perfecting your strokes. But in this thread you mention a lack of mileage and in your match reports you seem to be struggling with focus, getting tight during important points and dealing with that guy who was better than you. You also won your first match and were playing strong in the second match. Maybe you need to worry less about technique and trust what you have? Possibly shift your training more to match scenarios?

Yeah well this was expected before I started playing serious matches, its going to take hundreds of matches to be very solid during matches.
Im not that focused on technique currently, me and my coach have different plans now for the summer, tho she is gone now for a few weeks, traveling to USA for some tournament and so, but after shes back its serious hard work the whole summer, not much technique focused, the strokes are fine apart from small details that can be ironed out with time, the focus is on other things this summer, including extremely physical focused.
 

pencilcheck

Hall of Fame
Short term goals go improve and focus on certain aspects at a time.
Long term goals to improve overall.

Simple but true :laughing:
Occam razors.

I saw some of your hitting video on the tennis mega thread. What I thought is that you have good driving forehand. Your backhand seems to be ok but has huge room for improvement.
Your serve is also consistent so that's a very good thing. Perhaps trying to practice inside-out forehand + footwork might help your game better? I'm just making things up right now btw. :p
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Occam razors.

I saw some of your hitting video on the tennis mega thread. What I thought is that you have good driving forehand. Your backhand seems to be ok but has huge room for improvement.
Your serve is also consistent so that's a very good thing. Perhaps trying to practice inside-out forehand + footwork might help your game better? I'm just making things up right now btw. :p

In the next months my coach said the focus will be alot on reactions, first step, fast feet, hitting while on the run, serve consistency and placement and I think aproaches and volleys? Not sure about the last part.
There will also be alot of off court work with a trainer she has now that is supervising workouts with her juniors and im gonna be joining it too.
Shes in the USA now, when shes back in 3 weeks its full throttle.
But theres a clear plan no worries. :cool:
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
In the next months my coach said the focus will be alot on reactions, first step, fast feet, hitting while on the run, serve consistency and placement and I think aproaches and volleys? Not sure about the last part.
There will also be alot of off court work with a trainer she has now that is supervising workouts with her juniors and im gonna be joining it too.
Shes in the USA now, when shes back in 3 weeks its full throttle.
But theres a clear plan no worries. :cool:


Yeah, tennis is less a hitting game and mostly a fitness and footwork game, so those types of drills will give you better gains than nuance mechanical changes.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
My reflection is that the older rec player focus up to 4.0 is usually on upper body technique and to get past that into 4.5 the focus must shift shift to footwork --until you're too stiff to move anymore.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
I like too many other things to really commit to being a "good" player. Either that, or I'm scared of failing.

It's refreshing to see someone acknowledges that he might be scared of failing.

You wouldn't believe if I told you that this fear operates very well in the background and drives people without them being aware.

Most of players around me avoid this fear fiercely by choosing the stupider, more convoluted option -- that is they rather come to the court and sit out -- over playing which they come out for. It's very strange to me.

One old man in my group keeps life is too short, let's enjoy more. He's under no illusion of considering rec tennis loss as hurt ego or pride, blah, blah but when our group gets together and asks him to play, he adamantly refuses, saying I've been out for a couple years and only been back a few weeks. My tennis is rusty.

I hear that and think wtf does it matter. It's just a recreational tennis match. Win or lose you'll feel the thrill and get the exercise that many people say they crave for. Does he think we all will remember his win or loss?

There's a lot of b.s. with people around me. Being polite I don't say it out loud but I hint it here and there but no effects!
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Hand eye coordination in genes

I always had good technique but my hand eye coordination was avg
I never got beyond a low 4.5 which is terrible for a guy that grew up playing
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Was reflecting back on my tennis journey so far and thinking it would be interesting to share and even hear other people's views.

I find it quite crazy now when I reflect back at it, and I also have a better understanding that someone who just starts playing or someone who doesn't play but is a friend of someone that plays (me for example) can't even comprehend the depth and nuances of everything it takes and how much time and effort and everything it takes for small improvements, they just can't possibly comprehend it.

A funny thing was now when I started playing league this year I told my friend that people here play for 10+ years so she shouldn't be expecting many wins if any yet, because she said I need to kill it, and she was like nah cmon uve been playing for a while now cmon you know how to play your gonna kill them.. and I just thought in my head.. oh if only you knew what it takes (mileage, match experience, stroke development etc..)

Only someone who has been in the journey can comprehend, but even they can only comprehend it depending on how long they have been on the journey.

I can have a good understanding of everything up to 2.5years of playing, but compared to someone who has played seriously for 5 or 10 years I still don't have the experience and can't really comprehend all the depth and nuances that come after.

When I started playing 2.5 years ago I thought 1x per week on average (sometimes with a friend sometimes some coaching) aswell as some solo serve practice on court in the summer would be a decent amount of tennis and I will improve alot in some months and play good level tennis after few months, goes to show what most people probably think before starting.

I was playing like that for a whole 1st year and I did improve a decent amount, but it was the first taste I got of the reality of how slow this process is, before starting I thought I would play very good tennis in some months, but now after 1 year I had some better understanding exactly how slow this process is and how slow the improvements are.. and even tho I made some solid improvements my tennis level is not even close to being good or even decent.. and its also then when I realized that to reach a good tennis level 1x per week is not nearly enough, its not even close to being enough.

Its then that I started to increase my volume and had 1 coaching lesson per week where it would be me and a girl playing and drilling under coach supervision and also playing with a friend sometimes, so it was more like 2x per week then and sometimes 3x with some group clinics for a good 5-6 months.
I noticed that this volume increase was benefitial and that my level didn't drop much from previous time as opposed to when I played 1x per week when the next time my timing and everything was off and needed 30 mins to get back or so because of so many off days inbetween.
And I noticed more improvements as opposed to before when I played less.
The girl I played with in those coaching sessions also plays tennis for 15 years (shes 42) and was decent and when we started she was overwhelming me heavily, but after those months I was getting slowly better than her and she also did alot of breaks between which I found annoying.

Then last year in June me and coach decided to really take a more individual aproach and I started working directly with coach and increased my volume by quite alot, 3x per week 1 hour lessons aswell as some group clinics and playing with friends sometimes, and some solo court practicing serves.. so I would say probably around 5-7hours per week of court time with alot of coaching aswell, and did it for the whole summer for around 4 months or so, and I made really a lot of improvements in this time span, it goes to show that you do need court time and you do need to play and practice alot.
Then during this winter I started decent amount of tennis then between I had some issues and stuff and didn't play alot, now for the past month I again started more...
But anyway I played quite a good amount of tennis since 1 year and it shows because I made a ton more improvements than in the 1.5 year before and it feels like overall I have quite alot of mileage and have hit thousands of thousands of shots and forehands and everything (at least compared to an average not so serious tennis player who goes to play 1x per week or not even that) and yet I know exactly what kind of level each of my strokes are at and I know exactly how much more my strokes need to reach certain levels, and I know that even tho I made alot of improvements in this 1 year that I have SOOOOO SOOOOO much to improve in basically every stroke and shot.. but of course some strokes way more than others...

Now as June is coming along, im ready for yet another intense summer of 4-5 months of heavy tennis, this summer will be even more intense than last year with more court time.
Idealy (if weather is nice) 3-4hours of coaching per week 3-4hours of sparring and a league match that can take 1-3hours. Including some tournaments every month aswell as some solo court serve practice and especially a lot of fitness work with a fitness coach that my tennis coach is bringing in now for her junior players, but im going to be attending those fitness trainings aswell.
So again, there will be alot of work and alot of effort put into this summer, and I know again that I will probably make some decent improvements over the course of the summer, but yet I realize that im sooo sooo far away still from reaching even close to what I want to reach, based on how my strokes are now (power, spin, consistency, placement etc...).

It will take many summers more and many winters more, and my game will be more and more complete and my strokes will be better and better, but yet I will still have so much more to improve heavily.

Tennis really is an extremely difficult sport, and the longer and more you play it and practice (if your serious about it) the more you realize just how much depth it has, the sheer depth and nuances of each strokes and how many strokes and how many different situations of these strokes and your fitness, balance, coordination and everything... whooh... its mind bogling.

Anyway I hope you guys enjoy this read from a vivid tennis player reflecting on his 2.5 year journey so far, maybe you can relate in some parts, maybe you have your own stories and thoughts regarding this, share it!
Good read!
 

10sbeast888

Hall of Fame
it's an infinitely complicated sport.

many people quit; many switch to pickle.

I have seen people getting so frustrated at technical details they throw up hands in the air and say F it, just hit the ball... unfortunately 'just hit the ball' never works.

because tennis is also an infinitely Unnatural sport. we've all seen how beginners play like idiots... attacking the ball with open face. serve with the pancake... all these natural things are wrong.

enjoy the journey... it's a sport not only for the physically fit, but also for the mentally keen.
 

Steady Eddy

Legend
What's MEP? Like a 4.5? Play like him, unless you're really, really, serious about tennis and starting young, perfect form will only distract you from keeping the ball in play.
 

10sbeast888

Hall of Fame
What's MEP? Like a 4.5? Play like him, unless you're really, really, serious about tennis and starting young, perfect form will only distract you from keeping the ball in play.

very narrow path to success. need good court sense and strategic thinking plus getting your ass run all over the court... not fun way to play. also no enjoyment from understanding what tennis really is... a pusher would have no sense of what the pros are doing on TV.

the path of least resistance likely depends on each person's individual abilities.

e.g. background in throwing sports, then develop a big serve.... play serve+1 style is still the way to go, for most.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
very narrow path to success. need good court sense and strategic thinking plus getting your ass run all over the court... not fun way to play. also no enjoyment from understanding what tennis really is... a pusher would have no sense of what the pros are doing on TV.

the path of least resistance likely depends on each person's individual abilities.

e.g. background in throwing sports, then develop a big serve.... play serve+1 style is still the way to go, for most.
Looking back, my having played some baseball and football (US football, not soccer), when I as a little kid definitely helped learning to serve later on. The various types of pitches used in baseball helped me with the different spins on serves.

Having thrown a lot of stuff as a kid, gives you basic understanding of throwing motions and the importance of staying loose.

If I could go back in time, I'd play soccer (the real football) when I was little. Then my ball positioning and footwork would be better.
 
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