Relax everyone , this just got started

NeutralFan said:
People didn't give benefit of doubt to him because he lost to Med then Z and was having a horrible patch post Wimbledon and won just IW till next RG and then he won RG and Wimbledon thanks to Sinner's inconclusive run being disrupted by two injures , I see it as star aligning perfectly thing. I'll accept his dominance if he wins Canada + USO .
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Also, Carlos Lost to med in semis of us open playing great, med played much better in that match than against sinner at wimbledon, but the thing is sinner also Lost to zed in an even earlier round that US open, and now to med in cuarters... come on man
 
Let's see how USO folds. If Sinner does actually win then they are 2-2 in slams for the year. Then Sinner fans can maybe brag.
 
zuluzazu said:
Keep going on about hypotheticals when in reality Carlos is 2-0 against Sinner this year and has won 2 slams to Sinner’s 1, equal on masters1000 wins. I really don’t know why is Sinner v Alcaraz even a debate currently when Alcaraz has beaten Sinner to win 2 of his 4 GS and beaten Djokovic in the final in his other 2 slams.
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That's all Sinner fans ever do. Cope, seethe and give excuses.
 
-NN- said:
The accurate brutality of his aggression when he's on song does leave a huge impression. It's just been disconcerting to see a bit of a tendency for him to fall off after dominating starts and phases, which is partly about tactical adaptation and partly about his fitness. We can see that Alcaraz is supremely fit. If Sinner can address both tactics (willingness to change it up) and fitness then he should be long-time rival of Alcaraz and be trading numerous Slams with him. He has had physical issues and it's coincided with Alcaraz winning b2b Slams so I might be slightly overselling those issues, but Sinner's confidence/execution does seem a bit flaky at times... strong but susceptible to sudden collapse. Alcaraz by contrast seems to get stronger the longer matches go on and has a deciding 5th set record now which can't be ignored.

It's possible that Sinner will be more consistent in the Slams than Alcaraz, but I'm doubtful he'll cross the line first as often. Quite confident he'll win a bunch of Slams though - but are we talking 5-9 of them (which would be amazing) or Big Three levels? Because I really don't see the latter.
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Nicely put but you didn't answer the second part of my question
 
TheSlicer said:
I just wish people would have given the benefit of the doubt to Carlos when he Lost in Australia, things like "hes so short, he Will get overpowered, the tour has figured him out, he is just another Clay court player" were said too much, also how sinner was gonna win wimbledon without a doubt
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Ppl love to crap on hype!
 
ND-13 said:
News flash for you.. Alcaraz has also been in and out of injuries for last 2 years and even then has won 4 out of the last 8 majors.
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Exactly, heck this spring there was worry about his CAREER due to the arm injury.

Then he wins FO with no clay prep and wins Wimby with 2 grass match prep.

Carlos is a phenomenal player with all the tools.

Sinner is a great player whose tools match up well with the modern game but he is not in Carlos' league, currently.
 
Sinner won the AO and Alcaraz won RG/WB, so yes Carlos is not the "lone horse in the race". But he's the leading horse.
 
NeutralFan said:
Nicely put but you didn't answer the second part of my question
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About what he can do to Alcaraz on HC and grass? I think he's perfectly capable of taking numerous important wins off Alcaraz in the SFs and Finals of Slams and go pretty much 50/50 but that's with the projection and the assumption that he can continue to shore up his weaknesses. Taking things as they stand right now, as the players actually are, I'd favour Alcaraz more often than not (Sinner even now would get his fair share of wins... we've seen them play often enough to know it's a well-balanced rivalry). Even though Sinner sometimes overwhelms Alcaraz, Raz seems to be a better problem solver, and the dominating 5th set record is an important x-factor for now. About Sinner being able to beat Raz at his worst Slam, I think both players are so well-balanced and universal that they can beat each other in any conditions. I don't see a dynamic here like what Nadal and Djokovic had for clay vs hardcourt, for example.
 
Krish0608 said:
Carlos is a legit phenom. Whereas I’m beginning to think that Sinner would be sitting on 0 slams today had Med been fresh at the AO final. There is no comparison at this point. It’s an insult to Carlos to be compared to a player of a lower tier. Carlos stands alone in his generation. What a player.
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100% agreed. Been saying this for so long - Sinner’s AO win was far lesser than Alcaraz’s wins at any of WB23, RG24, or WB24.

As an aside, I have no idea how Alcaraz is somehow ranked #3 in the world.
 
-NN- said:
About what he can do to Alcaraz on HC and grass? I think he's perfectly capable of taking numerous important wins off Alcaraz in the SFs and Finals of Slams and go pretty much 50/50 but that's with the projection and the assumption that he can continue to shore up his weaknesses. Taking things as they stand right now, as the players actually are, I'd favour Alcaraz more often than not (Sinner even now would get his fair share of wins... we've seen them play often enough to know it's a well-balanced rivalry). Even though Sinner sometimes overwhelms Alcaraz, Raz seems to be a better problem solver, and the dominating 5th set record is an important x-factor for now. About Sinner being able to beat Raz at his worst Slam, I think both players are so well-balanced and universal that they can beat each other in any conditions. I don't see a dynamic here like what Nadal and Djokovic had for clay vs hardcourt, for example.
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Before FO and clay season everyone said Sinner can't play on clay but I said his prime will see his game yielding good results even on clay and he should have won MC and then Madrid injury derailed his form ,yet he took 2-1 lead against Carlos on freaking RG clay. I seriously believe ttw underestimate Sinner ( majority)
 
NeutralFan said:
Sinner also dominated 2024 Novak so what's the point? Imo Sinner would have beaten Novak today as well. Let's wait for the Sinneraz blockbuster to decide . They met on clay but that was Sinner's worst surface yet he had Carlos on ropes ,no? Was 2-1 and could have beaten him .
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He had to come back from 2 sets down to beat Med in that AO final. Med had played back to back 5 setters vs Hurcacz and Zverev. If Med wasn’t running on fumes Sinner would have lost in 3 sets.
 
Quaichang said:
He had to come back from 2 sets down to beat Med in that AO final. Med had played back to back 5 setters vs Hurcacz and Zverev. If Med wasn’t running on fumes Sinner would have lost in 3 sets.
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Med was even lucky to even make the final ffs and how he destroyed med in their next meeting? How he gave Nole a beatdown that you ignore conveniently, wow!! Shall I say how Carlos should have lost to tiafoe of all people ?
 
He might be able to fix his injury, but I'm not sure how easily he will be able to fix his fitness and physical stature issue. He is going to need to eat some of Errani's secret pasta.
 
TheSlicer said:
To me his must win was wimbledon, now he is already out of the conversation until he prooves otherwise again
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Wimbledon would've been huge, but it was never a must-win to me because players so rarely win their 2nd major that soon after their 1st. Even winning 2 within 12 months of each other is quite rare.

The USO is only a must from a fan perspective if this is going to be an even rivalry. Obviously that's not what Sinner himself should be focused on though.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
He was doing great but Carlos channel double has put that in the shade. Sinner has to comeback stronger to reignite any debate.

The gap is to big at this point.
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I think Sinner wins USO and defends AO. Don’t know what he’ll do at the next Wimbledon but I think the Apple isn’t far from the tree. I think he’s going to have a 3 slam season before Carlos
 
MeatTornado said:
Wimbledon would've been huge, but it was never a must-win to me because players so rarely win their 2nd major that soon after their 1st. Even winning 2 within 12 months of each other is quite rare.

The USO is only a must from a fan perspective if this is going to be an even rivalry. Obviously that's not what Sinner himself should be focused on though.
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Wimbledon was a must for sinner Trolls to still have any substance in their trolling, now they can hype sinner all they want but It just feels empty, like an old joke that isnt Funny anymore or something like that
 
dking68 said:
I think Sinner wins USO and defends AO. Don’t know what he’ll do at the next Wimbledon but I think the Apple isn’t far from the tree. I think he’s going to have a 3 slam season before Carlos
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I think he needs to play with more focus against Medvedev and work on his fitness. Meddy seems to suck the energy out of him. I am 100% certain Sinner in this form would have beaten Carlos and Novak.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
He was doing great but Carlos channel double has put that in the shade. Sinner has to comeback stronger to reignite any debate.

The gap is too big at this point.
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You do realize Sinner won more total points than Carlos in his RG loss and more points than Medvedev in his WB loss. I think this guy isn’t far from a big breakthrough. I think he wins the USO
 
dking68 said:
I think Sinner wins USO and defends AO. Don’t know what he’ll do at the next Wimbledon but I think the Apple isn’t far from the tree. I think he’s going to have a 3 slam season before Carlos
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Personally, i dont think hes ever gonna have a 3 slam season, specially with Carlos around
 
NeutralFan said:
Med was even lucky to even make the final ffs and how he destroyed med in their next meeting? How he gave Nole a beatdown that you ignore conveniently, wow!! Shall I say how Carlos should have lost to tiafoe of all people ?
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Do you actually watch matches or just read the results. Med worked hi ass off to get to the AO final. That wasn’t luck.
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
People go overboard after someone wins a slam. (Carlos beats washed up peg leg djokovic, he’s greater than big 3. Blah blah)?Yes this race has just started. I think the slam count will be tied up by end of next season.
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They get even more overboard when someone wins two in a row, lol, and even more when someone wins 4 at 21
 
TheSlicer said:
Something Carlos did earlier than anyone in history, is good that sinner gets to experiment It for a bit, It Will help him win many 500s
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Sinner was best by very wide margin from last December to Rome , Carlos could never achive this kind of dominance. Channel slam without consistency can't mask this fact.
 
NeutralFan said:
Son ,Anyone who thinks both are alike knows absolutely nothing about Tennis. Berdman was a flat hitter while Sinner hits with more rpm and has better movement, plays more percentage tennis than him.
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Sinner hitting with more spin than Berdych is why Sinner is more consistent, but Berdych probably has a better peak level of play.
 
NeutralFan said:
Sinner was best by very wide margin from last December to Rome , Carlos could never achive this kind of dominance. Channel slam without consistency can't mask this fact.
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He was injured basically since río, won Roland garros with no forehand, and now that he got some rythm look what he did at wimbledon.
 
Mustard said:
Sinner hitting with more spin than Berdych is why Sinner is more consistent, but Berdych probably has a better peak level of play.
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Keep peak prime away ,I just stated they're nothing alike and people calling him Berdych needs to learn a thing or two about tennis.
 
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NeutralFan said:
Thank God we have you to put some sense in overzealous Carlos fanboys.
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TTW right now...
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