Remember: 4 sets in 6 tries, +15 years

Tenez101

Hall of Fame
Being serious for a minute, I would probably disagree there. You could take away the ace at 4-2, 40-0 in the 5th set and he still likely wins it.
OK, not any ace but key aces on bps early in the fifth. I think Rafa would’ve held on with an early break.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
@Tenez101 At the end of the day what matters is who wins, not how close the match was.Many matches were rather close between Fed and Rafa on clay and it's still 13-2 for Rafa, that is all that matters.You can see that frequently in matches between the BIG 3 only few points decide the outcome.
 

Tenez101

Hall of Fame
@Tenez101 At the end of the day what matters is who wins, not how close the match was.Many matches were rather close between Fed and Rafa on clay and it's still 13-2 for Rafa, that is all that matters.You can see that frequently in matches between the BIG 3 only few points decide the outcome.
What you say is something that 99% of Fed fans just can’t seem to understand. They live and breathe double standards and contradictions, and desperately seek to control the narrative.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
That's the number of sets Fed managed to win vs Nadal at RG in 6 meetings.

And 4 of these meetings were when Fed was in his absolute prime while Nadal was just beginning to enter his.

Lol at the claims of Goathood.
That is the strength of competition Nadal has had winning 12 FO.

Seriously this is the very definition of 'Weak Era Slam'
 

MeatTornado

Legend
She has claimed this before though, I remember her saying "Fed is not great on any surface" on my first day here as a member.
It's crap like this that drags the whole board down.

If you believe Nadal is the greatest ever, there's a case for it. Not one I (or most) would agree with, but there's an argument there. But to go full end of the spectrum and laugh at the idea that anyone would even question it just drags us down into madness.

Acknowledging no flaws in your own player while exclusively highlighting the shortcomings of another is the behavior of an 8 year old on the playground.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
My understanding is that Federer has been at his absolute peak since 2004, an incredible 16-year period of top condition. Nadal's grass peak was from 2008-2011, hard court peak from 2009-2014 and maybe 2017-19. Clay peak has lasted since 2005.
In those respective time frames he is 1-0 against Federer on grass, 7-3 on hard and 14-2 on clay (22-5). Incredible dominance peak for peak, whilst Federer leads 11-1 in matches not played at peak

Quite remarkable how a player as technically mediocre as Fred managed to get anointed GOAT - testament to has scrappy play and ability to eke out the odd match here and there.
I've heard he is a Santoro with a better serve. :-D:-D
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Couldn't agree with you more. That's what Fedfans do all the time.
And yet with fewer slams, time at #1 and no WTF, you're behaving like Nadal is a no-doubt slam dunk GOAT.

If someone read your recent posts with no context they'd think Rafa has 21+ slams, 400 weeks at #1, the Calendar Slam, the double career slam, and the all-time record at all 4 majors.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
'Roger Federer cannot say he is the greatest of all time' - John Isner Wimbledon claim

JOHN ISNER thinks Roger Federer cannot claim to be the greatest player of all time because of the strength of his rivals.
By MIKAEL MCKENZIE
PUBLISHED: 11:32, Thu, Jul 4, 2019 | UPDATED: 20:27, Thu, Jul 4, 2019

Federer has won 102 ATP titles and is just seven behind Jimmy Connors' all-time record.
The Swiss star also has 20 major tournament wins to his name, which is two more than Rafael Nadal and five greater than Novak Djokovic.
However, Federer is older than all of his rivals and they are expected to surpass his tally over the coming years.
That has led Isner to believe the standards are constantly being improved because of the competitiveness of the leading trio.

"It's amazing to look at the Grand Slam stats," Isner said.

"I mean, what has Roger won, 20? And he's, like, s**t, like, he can't even say he's the greatest player of all time at 20 Grand Slams.

"It's incredible. These guys are pushing each other.

"Rafa has 18 and then Djokovic is 15, not slowing down. It's remarkable. These guys are pushing each other.

I think when all's said and done, it's going to be arguing who's better, Michael [Jordan] or LeBron [James]? It will impossible to tell."

Isner has beaten both Federer and Djokovic twice but had never beaten Nadal in an official ATP match.

The big-serving American did get the better of the world No 2 at the inaugural Laver Cup two years ago, which was then an exhibition event.

However, the competition, set up by Federer in the name of Rod Laver, will become an official ATP event from next year.

That means Isner's solo victory over Nadal now counts on his official record.

"I'll take it (smiling). I'll take it," he said.

"You know what? People have asked me how I have done against the big three, and I have said I have never beaten Rafa before, is always my answer. But do you think I can claim it now?

"You have retroactively given me a win against Rafa. I'll take it, certainly. I don't think Rafa is thinking too much about it."

 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
'Roger Federer cannot say he is the greatest of all time' - John Isner Wimbledon claim

JOHN ISNER thinks Roger Federer cannot claim to be the greatest player of all time because of the strength of his rivals.
By MIKAEL MCKENZIE
PUBLISHED: 11:32, Thu, Jul 4, 2019 | UPDATED: 20:27, Thu, Jul 4, 2019

Federer has won 102 ATP titles and is just seven behind Jimmy Connors' all-time record.
The Swiss star also has 20 major tournament wins to his name, which is two more than Rafael Nadal and five greater than Novak Djokovic.
However, Federer is older than all of his rivals and they are expected to surpass his tally over the coming years.
That has led Isner to believe the standards are constantly being improved because of the competitiveness of the leading trio.

"It's amazing to look at the Grand Slam stats," Isner said.

"I mean, what has Roger won, 20? And he's, like, s**t, like, he can't even say he's the greatest player of all time at 20 Grand Slams.

"It's incredible. These guys are pushing each other.

"Rafa has 18 and then Djokovic is 15, not slowing down. It's remarkable. These guys are pushing each other.

I think when all's said and done, it's going to be arguing who's better, Michael [Jordan] or LeBron [James]? It will impossible to tell."

Isner has beaten both Federer and Djokovic twice but had never beaten Nadal in an official ATP match.

The big-serving American did get the better of the world No 2 at the inaugural Laver Cup two years ago, which was then an exhibition event.

However, the competition, set up by Federer in the name of Rod Laver, will become an official ATP event from next year.

That means Isner's solo victory over Nadal now counts on his official record.

"I'll take it (smiling). I'll take it," he said.

"You know what? People have asked me how I have done against the big three, and I have said I have never beaten Rafa before, is always my answer. But do you think I can claim it now?

"You have retroactively given me a win against Rafa. I'll take it, certainly. I don't think Rafa is thinking too much about it."

 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
And yet with fewer slams, time at #1 and no WTF, you're behaving like Nadal is a no-doubt slam dunk GOAT.

If someone read your recent posts with no context they'd think Rafa has 21+ slams, 400 weeks at #1, the Calendar Slam, the double career slam, and the all-time record at all 4 majors.
I have never said Nadal is the GOAT, I just don't think Federer is and as a matter of fact, I have said many times that I don't believe in anyone being the GOAT. Rafa IS the undisputed King of Clay, though. There is no doubt about that.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
'Roger Federer cannot say he is the greatest of all time' - John Isner Wimbledon claim

JOHN ISNER thinks Roger Federer cannot claim to be the greatest player of all time because of the strength of his rivals.
By MIKAEL MCKENZIE
PUBLISHED: 11:32, Thu, Jul 4, 2019 | UPDATED: 20:27, Thu, Jul 4, 2019

Federer has won 102 ATP titles and is just seven behind Jimmy Connors' all-time record.
The Swiss star also has 20 major tournament wins to his name, which is two more than Rafael Nadal and five greater than Novak Djokovic.
However, Federer is older than all of his rivals and they are expected to surpass his tally over the coming years.
That has led Isner to believe the standards are constantly being improved because of the competitiveness of the leading trio.

"It's amazing to look at the Grand Slam stats," Isner said.

"I mean, what has Roger won, 20? And he's, like, s**t, like, he can't even say he's the greatest player of all time at 20 Grand Slams.

"It's incredible. These guys are pushing each other.

"Rafa has 18 and then Djokovic is 15, not slowing down. It's remarkable. These guys are pushing each other.

I think when all's said and done, it's going to be arguing who's better, Michael [Jordan] or LeBron [James]? It will impossible to tell."

Isner has beaten both Federer and Djokovic twice but had never beaten Nadal in an official ATP match.

The big-serving American did get the better of the world No 2 at the inaugural Laver Cup two years ago, which was then an exhibition event.

However, the competition, set up by Federer in the name of Rod Laver, will become an official ATP event from next year.

That means Isner's solo victory over Nadal now counts on his official record.

"I'll take it (smiling). I'll take it," he said.

"You know what? People have asked me how I have done against the big three, and I have said I have never beaten Rafa before, is always my answer. But do you think I can claim it now?

"You have retroactively given me a win against Rafa. I'll take it, certainly. I don't think Rafa is thinking too much about it."

He's saying it's close between the three and it can't be definitively be determined which everyone knows.
 
If anyone wants to say Rafa is the GOAT, based on the criteria that's always been applied to Federer that's their wish. I'm sure some will be queueing up to dispute it.
Nope. If we are going to do this "tiger" thing, then if Rafa gets 20, they are equals in the "tiger" debate. If Rafa gets 21, he is the "tiger."
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
At least the Novak/Rafa fanbases have kept their criticisms of Federer mainly above the belt. Fed fans immediately take it to a personal place and attack Djokodal's character, which we never do vice versa.
They also invent the most heinous crimes that Rafa is supposed to have commited.
 
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