canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
Why so defensive? Who hurt you?
Remember his name - Holger Rune Thread
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Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Please stop trolling.
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
Oh for goodness sake. I don't know why you jumped into this convo. I actually wanted to know what people saw in Rune as he wasn't doing much. I'm not a stats guy, more eye test. Tell me what you are seeing in him and I might confess to having had an Edberg 88/89 shirt just like your avatar.
kunos
Rookie
I find him extremely entertaining.
He's really unpredictable.. one second you get a long rally with loopy forehand, next point it's a return missile, next it's a second serve ace, next is a dropshot, next it's serve & volley. He won some incredible matches this year that were a rollercoaster of saved match points.. the way he deals with pressure is exilarathing... I can't imagine how anybody would classify Rune's game as "passive" but you do you.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Look, I actually explained it and even gave you a tip on a match you should check out. What more do you want?
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Patrick and Rune end collaboration (Danish article, use Google to translate) https://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/anden_sport/tennis/chok-stjernetraener-stopper/9931408
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Good news for Holger. Patrick is just using Rune as propaganda boy for his academy and social média .
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
Rune is showing some of common signs we've seen from other talented prospects of not orienting themselves well in terms of coaching and general outlook (often with their families adding to the problem).
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Expecting any player of today to be anything like Stefan is a ridiculous stretch. I would give anything if Edberg was 20 and coming up now, I would dump Holger in one second. But there will never be another player like Edberg. He was one of a kind and also an incredibly nice guy in person, and so was Annette, his beautiful wife.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
They both have some of the best second serve kickers ever. But I do miss Stefan.Expecting any player of today to be anything like Stefan is a ridiculous stretch. I would give anything if Edberg was 20 and coming up now, I would dump Holger in one second. But there will never be another player like Edberg. He was one of a kind and also an incredibly nice guy in person, and so was Annette, his beautiful wife.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Finally Holger and Patrick have parted ways!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/te...56138281376c58b&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&ei=9
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/te...56138281376c58b&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&ei=9
JJGUY
Hall of Fame
not bad, he only needs one coach, but I hope it's not Mama Rune decided that for him
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
He needs a coach who can call a spade a spade, and not someone like Mouratoglou, who is nothing but a butt kisser.
Ass-kissing without bringing solutions to the problems, it won't get anyone too far, sooner or later that relationship
will collapse, cause is just based on flattery, and the ongoing issues will remain.
Ivan Lendl, who has a no-nonsense approach would be great for Rune, he'd take some flak, but he'd move forward
and upward.
There is no easy way to greatness, you have to put an awful lot of work, Ivan did it, he can show Holger the way.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Agree. Holger needs a tough, systematic guy who can tame all that talent.
The amount of work on the training court and in the gym is not the problem with Holger...He needs a coach who can work on his technique and tactics..
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
At the US open, Rune's problem was related to a back issue that probably prevented him from moving optimally. Rune does a lot of fitness work. That he sometimes looks gassed out early is a mystery...Does he look out of form to you? Look at how lean and muscular he is without(without being a bodybuilder type). His stamina could be better, but it is not a result of him not doing the physical work. He is a training maniac..His physical trainer is practically with him every week at every tournament. Even had a tournament without coaches and only the physical trainer.
But maybe he should find another physical trainer...
Regarding technical training, Rune is still young and can improve on several technical aspects of his game...Like Djokovic improved his serve late in his career.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
What are Rune’s weaknesses? I just see his intensity level and effort vary up and down a lot during matches as he seems incapable of controlling his emotions. Otherwise, he doesn’t seem to have big holes in his game, although he is not one of the biggest hitters in the game and can be outpowered by some elite players.
Rune har fået styr på fysikken
Danskeren har haft det svært på tennisbanen siden Wimbledon.
sport-tv2-dk.translate.goog
Google translate, but you get the main points
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Holger not able to close the match against Brazil's Thiago Monteiro at Davis Cup. He is far from being the same player than just a couple of months ago. Loads of unforced errors, way too defensive. Pretty bad combo. Won the first set, though. 4-4 in the second despite breaking his opponent twice. Got broken back both times.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
It's official: Holger Rune sucks! I don't see him coming back in this match. 1-1 in sets against Monteiro after breaking him twice in the second set and leading 4-1 in the tiebreak. Holger will probably get a MTO at some point in the third when trailing and still play like garbage after that. Holger is out of top 20 in the foreseeable future unless he gets a top coach.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
... aaand Holger loses to the world number 116, clay court specialist, Thiago Monteiro, at home in Denmark in the Davis Cup. Indoors. Should probably forget about the rest of the season. He is an embarrassment right now.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
He'll be back on track soon.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Consider Monteiro has a career losing record on HC. This level from Holger today was pathetic. No fight at all either. Right now I am disgusted at his lack of effort and lack of professionalism while on court. And calling the trainer every single time he goes down a break is really getting tiresome. You'd think he'd be embarrassed doing this all the time.
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Holger said to Danish media on Wednesday, "I am looking at the preseason for 2024 to possibly get a coach with pro experience. Lars will still be with me, but we might get an ex-professional in December on the team, not sure yet." There were rumors that Verdasco (of all people) might take over the coaching, but Holger said that will not be happening. It would be a dream if he could get Becker, Edberg or Lendl, but that seems to be extremely unlikely. Holger's not good enough for them right now to bother. And the fake MTO's would tick off any coach of their stature.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
I'd like to see what Wilander could do with him. Holger's succes came from mixing up his game, and Wilander was the king of just that when he had to.
Becker for Rune would be amazing! Lars Christensen will be his main coach next season. They talk about bringing in a ex-pro to team could be a possibility. He also wants to bring in a full-time physio.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Similar weakness to Sinner. Only the backhand is world class.
Rattie
Legend
Surely he should have stopped playing matches before now and focussed on getting the problem resolved completely.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
A bulging disc generally requires surgery and even if that's minimally invasive, it means 4-6 months off the tour for recovery. Let's see if Holger shows up for Laver Cup and then to China the week after that. Remember too that he made the QF's of both RG and Wimbledon and Aneke is saying his back issues started in Rome. It would be difficult to make the second week of a slam with disc issues.
Rattie
Legend
Surgery is not usual for a herniated disc where I am but other treatments and a layoff for several weeks can be.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
One tournament win, two masters finals and two GS quarters is still pretty good.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Just announced: Holger will not be able to make it to Vancouver for Laver Cup and will be replaced by Davidovich Fokina. A herniated disc may require surgery, his physio, Lapo, told Danish media today that Holger may need surgery. Sure hope not!
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
It is really tough for Rune right now. Let us hope he has not overstressed his young body. He has arguably over performed with his serve for his age and size but I don't think that it is necessarily linked with his injury.
Overall I'm always a bit uncomfortable which guys not called Federer which don't have a stellar return game. Rune does a great deal very well but that seems to be a very important relative weakness compared to Alcaraz or Sinner. Rune is similar in a very different way to FAA and Tsitsipas.
Overall I'm always a bit uncomfortable which guys not called Federer which don't have a stellar return game. Rune does a great deal very well but that seems to be a very important relative weakness compared to Alcaraz or Sinner. Rune is similar in a very different way to FAA and Tsitsipas.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Rune's game is a disgrace right now. He should take the rest of the year of and work on it. Or maybe just not think about tennis at all for a while. Rune and FAA are the worst players on the tour right now.
Paulreedsmith
Semi-Pro
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
It's pretty lame for the Rune team to try and suggest that Holger's terrible play was due to "ego clashes" with Mouratoglou. Then they claim a serious disc injury and an injection, but then Rune doesn't take any recovery time except to conveniently skip Laver Cup. Nobody is healed in 6 days if they truly have a herniated disc, it takes months.
None of what they say publicly makes any sense and his level of play is worse than when he was 16. Lars might not be capable of taking him to the next level, he needs someone like Magnus Norman. And if the high maintenance girlfriend is a distraction, get rid of her too.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Well, he can't fire his mom, who is his manager.
Sorry to read that Holger is injured, and I hope he'll soon be back playing his game to his tune. It is tough enough to go through the 'normal' rigours of training / competing and all that goes with it, without the added burden of health and injury issues.
Hopefully, the kid will have a speedy recovery, and soon be entertaining us with his skills and talent on court.
Meanwhile, I thought I'd share this clip, highlighting his abilities:
www.atptour.com
Hopefully, the kid will have a speedy recovery, and soon be entertaining us with his skills and talent on court.
Meanwhile, I thought I'd share this clip, highlighting his abilities:
Video | ATP Tour | Tennis
Video from men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour. Featuring hot shots, highlights, exclusive interviews, player profiles, behind-the-scenes clips.
www.atptour.com
Correct. Wish the mother knows what tragedy is unfolding right in front of us.
Paulreedsmith
Semi-Pro
Bot reported.Sorry to read that Holger is injured, and I hope he'll soon be back playing his game to his tune. It is tough enough to go through the 'normal' rigours of training / competing and all that goes with it, without the added burden of health and injury issues.
Hopefully, the kid will have a speedy recovery, and soon be entertaining us with his skills and talent on court.
Meanwhile, I thought I'd share this clip, highlighting his abilities:
Video | ATP Tour | Tennis
Video from men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour. Featuring hot shots, highlights, exclusive interviews, player profiles, behind-the-scenes clips.
Paulreedsmith
Semi-Pro
You think Norman would take on this kid? He realy should move on from Stan, but don´t think Norman and Rune would be a good match.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Just now another example of unnecessary drama in the Rune team. Right after Holger lost today, his model sister Alma threatens police action against anyone who criticizes her family on social media. It's so silly it's ridiculous.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...rn-warning-dane-s-shanghai-masters-shock-loss
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...rn-warning-dane-s-shanghai-masters-shock-loss
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Well, Holger is #4 at age 20 (soon to be falling from that lofty perch). He's defeated Djokovic twice in the last year which no other player has done. He's in grotesque form right now but he's too good to not bounce back. Norman is a great coach, he and Cahill are superior to Lendl, Becker or Edberg, "celebrity coaches." Norman has to move on from Stan, he's 38.
And Holger probably wouldn't be a good match for most coaches. He's a difficult perfectionist who is spoiled, blames otbers and whines . Lars is likely the only one out there who can tolerate it since he's used to it the last 14 years.
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