Remember his name - Holger Rune Thread

[Kralingen]

It’s truly sad to see what an absolute catastrophe this kid’s season is turning into. Post Wimbledon is a cavalcade of horrendous play, poor decision-making, awful scheduling, and heinously concerning quotes and behavior from his domineering mother Aneke.

After the bright spots this time last year and a very strong clay season/Wimbledon, I am shocked things have turned out this badly for him.

The only way I see things improving for him is if he shuts it down immediately and takes the back injury as seriously as possible. He has to stop playing tennis right this very moment, not negotiable. He must get healthy, that has to be the ONLY priority.

I fear that if he does not and continues to play through this, we will see more of the same next year.

 

[Eureka]

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[Rovesciarete]

The only way I see things improving for him is if he shuts it down immediately and takes the back injury as seriously as possible. He has to stop playing tennis right this very moment, not negotiable. He must get healthy, that has to be the ONLY priority.

Absolutely! I have three big questions:

1) How did he get injured?

2) Why wasn't it spotted earlier?

3) How on earth didn't he stop playing?

We are talking about a twenty year old with great talent and lots of room of improvement, with a potential career of a decade and a half. Even lots of points mean nothing if he inflicts much harm on his body.

 

[BeatlesFan]

It’s truly sad to see what an absolute catastrophe this kid’s season is turning into. Post Wimbledon is a cavalcade of horrendous play, poor decision-making, awful scheduling, and heinously concerning quotes and behavior from his domineering mother Aneke.

After the bright spots this time last year and a very strong clay season/Wimbledon, I am shocked things have turned out this badly for him.

The only way I see things improving for him is if he shuts it down immediately and takes the back injury as seriously as possible. He has to stop playing tennis right this very moment, not negotiable. He must get healthy, that has to be the ONLY priority.

I fear that if he does not and continues to play through this, we will see more of the same next year.

I disagree that Aneke is that bad, but everything else is eloquently true.

 

[BeatlesFan]

John McEnroe spoke about Rune's coaching issues yesterday and basically said he needs to dump Lars and Aneke. Mac said:

"Rune's mother and his childhood coach may be brilliant, but this is all new ground to them too. There's a reason why players like Alcaraz, Djokovic and Nadal rely on former world no.1 players or former Slam winners as part of their coaching teams."

"Because the bottom line is, those guys understand what to it takes to win a Slam and they also understand what it takes to transition from being a really good top 10 player to being not only the best in the world, but also staying there."

"I have no idea who Rune's next coach will be, but despite his remarkable talent, at the age of 20, he is at a place where personally I think he needs someone who's been there and done that in his corner to turn him into a permanent threat to Alcaraz. He'll probably get there anyway, but the wrong coach now, I think that it may delay things by a good year or two."

"Rune's not asking for my advice, but I'll give it anyway - he needs an elite former pro as a coach. The guy who coached him as a kid in Copenhagen doesn't have the experiences of someone like Pat Cash or even someone like Youzhny or Philippoussis. Elite players need elite advice."

 

[albertobra]

Not a word from Mac about the babe?

 

[Olli Jokinen]

John McEnroe spoke about Rune's coaching issues yesterday and basically said he needs to dump Lars and Aneke. Mac said:

"Rune's mother and his childhood coach may be brilliant, but this is all new ground to them too. There's a reason why players like Alcaraz, Djokovic and Nadal rely on former world no.1 players or former Slam winners as part of their coaching teams."

"Because the bottom line is, those guys understand what to it takes to win a Slam and they also understand what it takes to transition from being a really good top 10 player to being not only the best in the world, but also staying there."

"I have no idea who Rune's next coach will be, but despite his remarkable talent, at the age of 20, he is at a place where personally I think he needs someone who's been there and done that in his corner to turn him into a permanent threat to Alcaraz. He'll probably get there anyway, but the wrong coach now, I think that it may delay things by a good year or two."

"Rune's not asking for my advice, but I'll give it anyway - he needs an elite former pro as a coach. The guy who coached him as a kid in Copenhagen doesn't have the experiences of someone like Pat Cash or even someone like Youzhny or Philippoussis. Elite players need elite advice."

Do you have a link for this? Thanks.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Do you have a link for this? Thanks.

I don't, I listened to the podcast as it aired. Another Holger fan transcribed it, I did not.

 

[BeatlesFan]

BORIS TO COACH HOLGER!!! I posted a separate thread in the Holger News thread.

 

[Eureka]

Wishing Holger & Boris well. BB had an excellent playing career, and the experience of coaching Djokovic. Looking forward to how this change in HR's team will impact upon his career.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Should be a big upgrade from the current situation, good luck to both.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Boris talks about Holger today:

“I can confirm that I am Holger Rune’s coach,” Becker told Eurosport Germany’s podcast. “It makes me a little proud that he asked me. The contact has existed for a long time. Now it was a very good fit. My calendar allows it and I have always been interested in Holger because he is on the tennis court with so much commitment and temperament.”

Becker will join Rune for next week’s tournament in Basel, with their major goal ensuring he qualifies for the ATP Finals in Turin next month.

“Holger is a rough diamond that needs polishing,” said Becker. “I like his emotional outbursts. I have coached a player before, Novak Djokovic, who was sometimes not quite himself on the court, but that is allowed.”

As to whether their partnership continues into next season, Becker – who is currently barred from entering the UK – said: “There’s no point in signing a two-year contract now when you’ve only been cooperating for a week. If you are successful, you usually stay together, no matter what the contract says. If not, everyone goes their own way again.”

 

[Topspin_80]

Boris officially 6'3"

Holger 6'2"

Shrinkage is mind boggling!!

 

[robyrolfo]

SUCH a smart move to add Jerry Seinfeld (far right) to his coaching team! Nothing quite like the perfect joke to lighten the mood in a tense situation.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Boris officially 6'3"

Holger 6'2"

Shrinkage is mind boggling!!

Yes, I thought the same thing! The slammer must have really done a number on him... And speaking of SHRINKAGE, that provides the perfect segue...

SUCH a smart move to add Jerry Seinfeld (far right) to his coaching team! Nothing quite like the perfect joke to lighten the mood in a tense situation.

YES, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!



"Hello, Rune"

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

SUCH a smart move to add Jerry Seinfeld (far right) to his coaching team! Nothing quite like the perfect joke to lighten the mood in a tense situation.

Wait, isn't Rune himself "the perfect joke"?

OK, OK, I'll stop now...

 

[BeatlesFan]

Holger makes the cut in the #8 position for Turin.The Dane and fellow 20-year-old Alcaraz are the youngest pair of qualifiers since 2000. Boris confirmed today he will be in Holger's box for the YEC, but will not be at the Moselle Open in Metz next week.

 

[Rovesciarete]

No surprise that Novak was more pushy than Holger but I didn't expect quite that gap in weight of shot. Rune went as expected more hit and miss while Djokovic tried to keep rallies often neutral. Not just in my opinion Novak was, as he sometimes can be, too passive and a fitter Holger could have taken even more of an advantage. It is very rare to see him losing out in the rallies over four shots, still Holger's firepower did enough damage here.

Once again we see the targeting of the forehand return and the backhand during rallies by Djokovic and I expect something similar against Sinner. Rune could have won this with more stamina and better decision making as Novak was nervous due to his YE1 target. The Dane has many tools and a lot of things going his way years to come.

N. DJOKOVIC		H. RUNE
POINTS WON
79	0-4 SHOTS	71
14	5-8 SHOTS	21
11	9+ SHOTS	16

N. DJOKOVIC		H. RUNE
AVERAGE FOREHAND AND BACKHAND SPEED
117.3 KPH	FOREHAND	124.6 KPH
111.9 KPH	BACKHAND	115.1 KPH

N. DJOKOVIC		H. RUNE
RALLIES
28	RALLY WINNERS	28
13	RALLY UNFORCED ERRORS	16
201.4 KPH	FASTEST SHOT	163.2 KPH

AVERAGE FOREHAND AND BACKHAND RPM
2644 RPM	FOREHAND	2922 RPM
1758 RPM	BACKHAND	2010 RPM

N. Djokovic serves 46% to the T-section of the Deuce court on his 1st serve TODAY and 47.8% in 2023.

 

[BeatlesFan]

No surprise that Novak was more pushy than Holger but I didn't expect quite that gap in weight of shot. Rune went as expected more hit and miss while Djokovic tried to keep rallies often neutral.

Holger's game still has a lot of holes and unsurprisingly, Novak exposed them. His slice is horrible and just sits up waiting to be pummeled. His BH block ROS is still very weak. The easiest issue to fix are his baffling decisions on court: hitting every passing shot directly to his opponent and becoming passive on every single single BP. It never fails.

He can be devastating with pace when the point isn't crucial, but retreats into his shell when the point is crucial. That's no way to achieve his goals.

Most of all, his stamina is ridiculously weak. He has only played a handful of matches since Wimbledon, but starts cramping on an indoor, climate-controlled court after 2.5 hours? his physio, Lapo, trained pro bicyclists. Maybe Holger needs a physio specializing in tennis players.

Lots to sort out prior to the AO, hopefully Boris can remedy all this, but it'll take time.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Among the three youngsters Rune is age-wise is the one most reliant on his serve. He follows it up attacking often. Sinner has really grown as a serve+1 player compared to his old self.

Updated weekly(ish). Last update: 2023-11-13

Player​ Matches​ Unret%​ <=3 W%​ RiP W%​ SvImpact​ 1st: Unret%​ <=3 W%​ RiP W%​ SvImpact​ D Wide%​ A Wide%​ BP Wide%​ 2nd: Unret%​ <=3 W%​ RiP W%​ Hubert Hurkacz​ 57​ 38.8%​ 50.7%​ 51.6%​ 45.3%​ 50.8%​ 64.8%​ 58.3%​ 60.9%​ 48.1%​ 49.5%​ 48.8%​ 18.6%​ 27.3%​ 44.1%​ Stefanos Tsitsipas​ 31​ 33.9%​ 48.2%​ 55.5%​ 42.1%​ 41.9%​ 58.9%​ 60.5%​ 54.6%​ 48.9%​ 47.1%​ 55.4%​ 21.2%​ 31.6%​ 48.3%​ Taylor Fritz​ 21​ 31.6%​ 42.9%​ 55.5%​ 38.1%​ 42.1%​ 56.6%​ 61.1%​ 52.8%​ 53.5%​ 46.4%​ 41.7%​ 16.9%​ 23.7%​ 49.3%​ Andrey Rublev​ 30​ 30.9%​ 42.1%​ 50.9%​ 37.1%​ 41.1%​ 55.0%​ 56.8%​ 50.8%​ 51.4%​ 45.7%​ 39.0%​ 13.9%​ 20.7%​ 43.2%​ Jannik Sinner​ 49​ 28.9%​ 39.4%​ 56.2%​ 35.0%​ 38.3%​ 52.3%​ 60.7%​ 48.6%​ 46.5%​ 54.4%​ 54.0%​ 16.3%​ 22.4%​ 51.0%​ Daniil Medvedev​ 70​ 29.4%​ 40.3%​ 55.9%​ 36.2%​ 37.6%​ 51.6%​ 60.0%​ 48.1%​ 55.6%​ 45.1%​ 47.5%​ 16.9%​ 22.9%​ 49.2%​ Novak Djokovic​ 41​ 29.3%​ 41.4%​ 59.1%​ 36.9%​ 35.9%​ 51.4%​ 62.7%​ 47.7%​ 52.0%​ 49.0%​ 43.2%​ 19.3%​ 25.9%​ 53.1%​ Casper Ruud​ 26​ 29.3%​ 40.5%​ 55.1%​ 35.9%​ 36.8%​ 49.9%​ 57.7%​ 47.2%​ 52.5%​ 48.4%​ 51.4%​ 17.9%​ 26.6%​ 51.2%​ Alexander Zverev​ 22​ 27.8%​ 38.4%​ 52.1%​ 35.1%​ 35.5%​ 49.1%​ 56.5%​ 46.1%​ 49.8%​ 40.8%​ 35.1%​ 12.2%​ 17.2%​ 43.4%​ Holger Rune​ 25​ 26.0%​ 39.8%​ 53.8%​ 33.6%​ 32.0%​ 48.1%​ 55.3%​ 44.6%​ 60.6%​ 50.7%​ 44.6%​ 19.4%​ 31.6%​ 51.6%​ Carlos Alcaraz​ 48​ 26.3%​ 39.6%​ 56.9%​ 34.3%​ 31.6%​ 47.2%​ 59.5%​ 43.9%​ 49.5%​ 47.9%​ 47.0%​ 18.0%​ 28.2%​ 52.2%​

 

[Rovesciarete]

Last 52, sorted by RIP %. Surprised by Hurkacz and a bit by Ruud, but both are clearly below the rest in return points won. Sinner returned the least on sand and arguably the most on the fastest surfaces bar maybe Hurkacz. Once again Sinner are Djokovic are quite similar. Interesting to note the low slice % of Alcaraz and Ruud. Rune has excellent depth but I fear that returning will be his biggest long term weakness versus compared to Alcaraz and Sinner.

Player​ Matches​ RiP%​ RiP W%​ RetWnr%​ Wnr FH%​ RDI​ Slice%​ 1st: RiP%​ RiP W%​ RetWnr%​ RDI​ Slice%​ 2nd: RiP%​ RiP W%​ RetWnr%​ RDI​ Slice%​ Daniil Medvedev​ 70​ 75.4%​ 49.6%​ 4.3%​ 60.0%​ 2.25​ 20.1%​ 71.3%​ 45.7%​ 3.4%​ 2.17​ 29.2%​ 89.5%​ 55.5%​ 6.3%​ 2.36​ 5.6%​ Carlos Alcaraz​ 48​ 69.6%​ 52.7%​ 4.2%​ 51.5%​ 2.22​ 8.6%​ 68.3%​ 49.4%​ 3.7%​ 2.18​ 12.0%​ 81.3%​ 57.9%​ 5.6%​ 2.28​ 2.6%​ Jannik Sinner​ 49​ 70.7%​ 52.1%​ 2.7%​ 66.7%​ 2.23​ 14.3%​ 67.7%​ 47.4%​ 2.3%​ 2.23​ 24.2%​ 84.9%​ 59.1%​ 3.7%​ 2.24​ 3.4%​ Casper Ruud​ 26​ 71.3%​ 46.1%​ 3.9%​ 55.6%​ 2.27​ 7.2%​ 67.5%​ 41.9%​ 3.5%​ 2.29​ 11.2%​ 86.6%​ 52.6%​ 5.1%​ 2.23​ 1.1%​ Novak Djokovic​ 41​ 71.4%​ 53.1%​ 2.3%​ 52.8%​ 2.14​ 14.5%​ 66.0%​ 49.6%​ 1.5%​ 2.08​ 21.9%​ 87.6%​ 58.1%​ 4.1%​ 2.23​ 2.4%​ Hubert Hurkacz​ 57​ 68.8%​ 45.2%​ 3.4%​ 48.6%​ 2.26​ 19.1%​ 65.1%​ 41.7%​ 2.7%​ 2.20​ 29.4%​ 82.1%​ 50.4%​ 4.9%​ 2.33​ 7.9%​ Holger Rune​ 25​ 64.6%​ 47.8%​ 3.4%​ 52.6%​ 2.26​ 12.3%​ 62.4%​ 45.3%​ 3.0%​ 2.25​ 18.2%​ 78.4%​ 51.4%​ 4.5%​ 2.28​ 3.3%​

 

[Znak]

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[robyrolfo]

Who's next, Pep Guardiola?

 

[Znak]

 

[morten]

Great player

 

[albertobra]

Cazaux sailing through 3rd round. Does this make Rune's loss a little less harsh?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Cazaux sailing through 3rd round. Does this make Rune's loss a little less harsh?

Holger was 1-6 in the juniors against him, his only victory was beating Cazaux in the 2019 FO juniors final. He played at an extremely high level and was mentally a rock against Holger. His main problem is a history of injuries and he's only 21. Impressive player, better than Fils.

 

[socallefty]

Holger was 1-6 in the juniors against him, his only victory was beating Cazaux in the 2019 FO juniors final. He played at an extremely high level and was mentally a rock against Holger. His main problem is a history of injuries and he's only 21. Impressive player, better than Fils.

He beat Casaux in the R16 at the 2019 FO. He beat American Toby Kodat in the final and then made the famous quote about beating Rafa’s record at the FO.

 

[Znak]

Welp, that didn't last long lol

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[JJGUY]

according to his momager, Luthi was not able to commit full time on tour, Kenneth Carlsen now is promoted to the role of head coach and Becker will stay to help on training.

 

[JJGUY]

Rune's team

Manager: Aneke Rune
Coach: Kenneth Carlsen, Boris Becker
Physical trainer: Lapo Becherini
Physiotherapist: Louis Fresneau
Analyst: Mike James

 

[BeatlesFan]

according to his momager, Luthi was not able to commit full time on tour, Kenneth Carlsen now is promoted to the role of head coach and Becker will stay to help on training.

Laughable. When Sev was hired, it was announced by Aneke he was only going to be part-time, now they use the fact he's part-time as the cause for the split. Rune's team continues to be a clown show. Also, Carlsen has not been promoted to head coach, Boris is still the regular coach.

This elaborates:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...ns-react-dane-severs-ties-coach-severin-luthi

 

[TheSlicer]

Laughable. When Sev was hired, it was announced by Aneke he was only going to be part-time, now they use the fact he's part-time as the cause for the split. Rune's team continues to be a clown show. Also, Carlsen has not been promoted to head coach, Boris is still the regular coach.

This elaborates:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...ns-react-dane-severs-ties-coach-severin-luthi

He should fire his manager

 

[dxc]

Laughable. When Sev was hired, it was announced by Aneke he was only going to be part-time, now they use the fact he's part-time as the cause for the split. Rune's team continues to be a clown show. Also, Carlsen has not been promoted to head coach, Boris is still the regular coach.

This elaborates:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...ns-react-dane-severs-ties-coach-severin-luthi

It is a farce.
It is so weird to read his mother comments regarding every move they make or every progress. She is always super optimistic and always has some kind of explanation whenever it goes wrong and Rune loses. She is really overprotecting him.
Whenever they hire someone, it is the best thing that ever could happen to him..., until they part ways few months later

 

[JJGUY]

Laughable. When Sev was hired, it was announced by Aneke he was only going to be part-time, now they use the fact he's part-time as the cause for the split. Rune's team continues to be a clown show. Also, Carlsen has not been promoted to head coach, Boris is still the regular coach.

This elaborates:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...ns-react-dane-severs-ties-coach-severin-luthi

that's like a tabloid, anyway, here is the link to a legit news site with direct quote and interview.

Rune dropper toptræner efter kort tid

Kenneth Carlsen bliver til gengæld en større del af teamet.

sport.tv2.dk

Holger Rune will no longer have top coach Severin Lüthi attached to his staff.

This is stated by Rune's mother and manager Aneke Rune to TV 2 Sport. In return, Kenneth Carlsen's role is expanded. The Dane has sat on the coaching bench behind Rune several times and will now become a permanent coach. Boris Becker will continue to be part of the staff.

- The timing with Severin was not quite right. Holger needs a coach who is with him all the time and a super coach (Boris Becker ed.).
- Severin will be able to cover too few weeks for the continuity that Holger needs, writes Aneke Rune.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Welp, that didn't last long lol

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I guess you could say Rune is severin ties with his coach.

 

[Znak]

I guess you could say Rune is severin ties with his coach.

Badum ching!!

 

[robyrolfo]

Well, Luthi seems like a serious guy, so this can hardly be surprising. Why would he want to work with Rune after experiencing him up close?

Laughable. When Sev was hired, it was announced by Aneke he was only going to be part-time, now they use the fact he's part-time as the cause for the split. Rune's team continues to be a clown show. Also, Carlsen has not been promoted to head coach, Boris is still the regular coach.

It's painfully clear that he need to go the Coco Gauff route: he needs to accept that he is now an adult, and he needs to keep his mom at arm's length. He needs to get out on the tour and travel the world by himself, without Mommy there to coddle him and make excuses for him.

The scenes with his mom on "Break Point" were painful to watch.

 

[Znak]

Brother needs stability.

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[JJGUY]

lol, told you so last week, Kenneth Carlsen was promoted to the head coach, and some of you guys still think Becker would be the main coach, it's clear now he was demoted and he just left.

 

[robyrolfo]

Holger looking like that super attractive girl (or guy) that you meet, and initially initially you are very surprised that they are still single. But then you get to know them, and find out they are a head case...

 

[sortof]

Could well be that Becker left because of his difficulties in getting entry permits or visa for certain countries including the US.

 

[robyrolfo]

Could well be that Becker left because of his difficulties in getting entry permits or visa for certain countries including the US.

Perhaps, but I would think he would have been very motivated to stay on. I'm not sure what % of Rune's winnings he was getting, but you would think that just being there for a few big events would provide him with some much needed income.

 

[Znak]

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[Znak]

Kind of hilarious

 

[Vincent-C]

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weird ****.

 

[robyrolfo]

weird ****.

I almost thought it was a joke at first. How could they possibly expect it to go any better this time?

 

[Znak]

I almost thought it was a joke at first. How could they possibly expect it to go any better this time?

Brother needs stability — hoping he finds something soon because if not he'll be the next FAA

 

[BeatlesFan]

I almost thought it was a joke at first. How could they possibly expect it to go any better this time?

It's especially crazy since Holger trashed Mouratoglou several times in the Netflix episode on him. "I don't pay people to just sit around and do nothing...this guy doesn't even know what he's doing!"

Then he hires him back? All ridiculous. It's like some scripted reality show except that it's real.

 

[Shaolin]

Wish I could forget his name.