Remember when I said Fred was injured...

[BringBackSV]

Playing some of the best tennis of his career? Really? Did you watch the match?

Not specifically at the USO but rather in general. Did you watch the previous match? Did you watch Cincy? This season has not been quite as steady as last but he's still shown some fairly high quality stuff. I think we should give Millman some credit here though. Fed showing once again that if one is off there game a lil bit even a guy outside the top 20 can pounce.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

He showed relatively sketchy form all through IW, Miami, and Halle, then again in Wimbledon, Cincy, and now at the US Open where he again surprisingly lost the plot in a match he was leading, without needing to fall this time. And once more he had cruised in the matches before he lost. So there's a red line through it all that extends beyond any hypothetical injury against Anderson. There's no reason to think that his current problems only began in that moment.

He simply hasn't displayed excellent form since Rotterdam and the AO. Not much reason to believe that he injured himself significantly against Anderson. But if someone wants to believe that a player's poor form is caused by injury, it's very hard to argue against, because they'll just interpret every sign in that direction.

He didn't show sketchy form in Wimbledon before middle of the second set of the Anderson match.

 

[MasturB]

You know what happens when you look at vs top 10 only? Fed isn't top 5 either.

Poly benefits servers more than returners.

But yeah, let's just ignore the stats and call them the silliest thing ever.

Not at all. There's a reason serve and volley isn't as more used as it was before. Poly and Surface changes.

Because no sane statistical data analyst would use the stats the way you're using. You're extrapolating data the way an amateur would without even accounting for variables that would skew the data.

So it doesn't really prove anything. Thus it's silly to even argue with you about it.

 

[sredna42]

How humble of Federer to keep his injury a secret by lying to the media and even going as far as telling his coach not to tell anyone about it.

"Following Federer’s shock defeat to Kevin Anderson, rumours circulated that he had been carrying an injury.

But Luthi dispelled those claims saying: 'There were no problems, there is nothing, all good.' " - Express

"After his exit, speculation mounted that the 36-year-old was carrying an injury, however, his coach Severin Luthi denied that was the case. ‘No no. There were no problems, there is nothing, all good,’ he told Tages Anzeiger." - Metro

You believe everything politicians say too?

 

[Kaptain Karl]

The OP could have a point. But Fed played so well against Nick K, I'm not sure.

I do know, from experience, it's rough to try to recover from injury WHILE you are still competing. I played most of my college career with a messed-up shoulder. Some days I could play through the pain. Some days I wasn't even aware of the shoulder. A few times I had to sit out of a match. (This was back when we played with feather stuffed leather balls. These bouncy balls are a big improvement!)

I cannot think of a night when Roger served so poorly.

That being said, give Millman credit. He played really well. (And he trained with Roger before Wimby, so he knew Fed's game fairly well.)

 

[ADuck]

You believe everything politicians say too?

Are you saying Federer is like a standard politician?

 

[MasturB]

He showed relatively sketchy form all through IW, Miami, and Halle, then again in Wimbledon, Cincy, and now at the US Open where he again surprisingly lost the plot in a match he was leading, without needing to fall this time. And once more he had cruised in the matches before he lost. So there's a red line through it all that extends beyond any hypothetical injury against Anderson. There's no reason to think that his current problems only began in that moment.

He simply hasn't displayed excellent form since Rotterdam and the AO. Not much reason to believe that he injured himself significantly against Anderson. But if someone wants to believe that a player's poor form is caused by injury, it's very hard to argue against, because they'll just interpret every sign in that direction.

His form at Indian Wells I'd say was about 85% of his Rotterdam form.

He did noticeably look bulkier (muscle wise) at Indian Wells than he had just weeks previous at Rotterdam. If you compare video of his form in the final at Indian Wells to Cinncy they are nowhere close. He was more than physically apt to beat Del Po that day. But Del Po is a better opponent than most of the tour so he couldn't just get away with servebotting. You can't servebot at Indian Wells on a bouncier slower hardcourt, than you can like Cinncy. His movement against Del Po in the Final is ages better than what we've seen the last few weeks.

I'm looking at his explosive movements. Those small explosive split steps and change of direction. He had no problem doing that at Indian Wells against Coric and Del Po despite laboring thorugh those matches. He's barely able to turn on a dime and re-direct the last few weeks.

 

[MasturB]

Are you saying Federer is like a standard politician?

I'm saying, Federer has probably done more post-match interviews/pre-match interviews than anyone in the history of the game. Considering the amount of matches he's played at the biggest tournaments that provide the most media access.

He's been doing it longer than anyone, so he knows how to play the game. And his agent left IMG, one of the richest sports marketing agencies in the world, to become Fed's private client and start their own agency. The same agency that has successfully created the Laver Cup to be a must-see event that's nothing more than an exo.

 

[Sysyphus]

He didn't show sketchy form in Wimbledon before middle of the second set of the Anderson match.

No, and as I say, he wasn't really threatened until the second set of the Millman match this time around either. It happens.

The patch of sketchy form goes back well before Wimbledon, but that doesn't mean that he's going to show sketchy form in every single match that he plays.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

i'm thoroughly confused. what does one thing have to do with another? I truly do not get the correlation between me saying I'm not fond of nadal winning the USO and adding to his gs tally/uso count and me saying that I think fed's performance was affected by the heat. also you and your obnoxious self righteous self can continue to question my interests, that is fine. the brilliance of this forum, you can continue to comment and obsess over as many of my post.

I think most people will acknowledge me as a fed fan first and foremost.

I think you just enjoying giving people grief.

It is very simple: in the other thread you literally said that you especially love how people react to comments about a loss, yet you do the same here (making comments about other people's opinions).

That is where both threads have something in common: you don't have a problem with the fact that people make comments about other people's opinions.

You have a problem with people making comments that undermine your assumed position, and that wouldn't have been weird, if your assumed position was not to constantly put questions around your "favourite" player's achievements in relation to other players.

In short: people that support views contrary to your knee-jerk reaction are weird, unreasonable etc, and are making a big deal of it, but people that support it have all the reasons to post their views and you accept them easily.

Sounds like a pretty interesting position to me.

 

[MasturB]

The OP could have a point. But Fed played so well against Nick K, I'm not sure.

I do know, from experience, it's rough to try to recover from injury WHILE you are still competing. I played most of my college career with a messed-up shoulder. Some days I could play through the pain. Some days I wasn't even aware of the shoulder. A few times I had to sit out of a match. (This was back when we played with feather stuffed leather balls. These bouncy balls are a big improvement!)

I cannot think of a night when Roger served so poorly.

That being said, give Millman credit. He played really well. (And he trained with Roger before Wimby, so he knew Fed's game fairly well.)

And the serve is one of the easier things you can use extra body parts to overcompensate when one is hurt and not be as affected. If you don't have the legs to get more power, you can use more shoulder in the kinetic chain to make up for some of the lost power from the legs. Or if your shoulder is hurting, you can use more trunk rotation like Taylor Dent used to do to still get big MPH's but you also will sacrifice rhythm and accuracy. Because the serve, you have more control over, you can generally not be as affected by the injury. But running down groundstrokes in real time and full speed is going to be something you simply cannot just disguise without the overcompensation really showing. And that's why he'd been buggy whipping so many forehands being unable to get down lower and scoop them up. A bad back means even something basic as crouching or lunging is going to be painful, which you need to hit low balls on the rise. Buggy whipping allows you to not have to bend all the way down, and allows you to use more arm to muscle the ball as opposed to using more trunk rotation.

Fed's MPH's aren't going down the last few weeks, but he's been double faulting way way way more than usual, and missing a lot more first serves. He's clearly overcompensating something on serve to help negate some of the effects of the back injury.

 

[West Coast Ace]

....created the Laver Cup to be a must-see event that's nothing more than an exo.

Wow! You’ve gone full gushing fangirl mode now. ‘Must see’ - LOL!

He missed returns - badly - on 90 mpg Djokovic 2nd serves in Cincy - no movement required.

You’re ‘his mph aren’t down but DFs are up = back injury’ - equally moronic.

Eyes and reflexes - and probably a little motivation. Get over it - he’s human.

 

[icedevil0289]

man never been so happy to have certain functions on this forum.

 

[sredna42]

Are you saying Federer is like a standard politician?

Come on mate. His team. They're just playing it all with a dead bat. I like fed but would not consider myself a true fan, but even I could see that something was up. It's like people on this forum go full rhetard and can only see through fanboi vision, and not with open eyes. I am staggered that people even argued with masturB on the original thread back when, he was spot on

 

[MasturB]

Wow! You’ve gone full gushing fangirl mode now. ‘Must see’ - LOL!

He missed returns - badly - on 90 mpg Djokovic 2nd serves in Cincy - no movement required.

You’re ‘his mph aren’t down but DFs are up = back injury’ - equally moronic.

Eyes and reflexes - and probably a little motivation. Get over it - he’s human.

1) Djokovic has a pretty heavy second serve relative to other players his stature. One does not need 100mph second serves to have an effective second serve. Roger hits 86mph kick serves that get more action than some guys who hit 100mph seconds. It's all relative. The fact you think "no movement required" on serves that come in your wheelhouse is a thing... is also just poorly uninformed.

2) Well, I'm glad you've dismissed it as equally moronic. Thanks for once again proving my point that you, like others here, bring absolutely nothing to the table in terms of substantive discussion. It's so much easier to be a keyboard warrior and type "it's just dumb, period". I'm sure that injuries causing biomechanics to be altered to achieve similar results, are just fantasy land. But again, I've coached collegiate tennis players, and currently coach an ATP player ranked Top 800 in the world. So my knowledge of tennis biomechanics isn't good enough to compete with the deep logical thinking of "it's just eyes and reflex, equally moronic". Let's also ignore that you have 40 year old doubles players who have better reflexes at the net than a lot of singles players do. Eyes and reflexes though. We have people here who think Mohamed Lahyani has figured out how to successfully coach Nick Kyrgios, so color me shocked there's people here who don't understand tennis biomechanics.

Eyes and reflex is what it is now, or age.



and btw, the Laver Cup sold out in Prague pretty quickly. It sold out in Chicago pretty quickly as well. The Laver Cup had a bigger gate than some big ATP tournaments. When you consider that they've never ran a tournament, let alone an academy, and were able to pull it off with no hiccups and brought in so many top 10 players it's a pretty big deal.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Bloody hell, Fed fans really do like to dissect his defeats to within an inch of their life. The guy's 37 for Christ's sake - just be grateful he's still out there competing!

 

[ADuck]

Come on mate. His team. They're just playing it all with a dead bat. I like fed but would not consider myself a true fan, but even I could see that something was up. It's like people on this forum go full rhetard and can only see through fanboi vision, and not with open eyes. I am staggered that people even argued with masturB on the original thread back when, he was spot on

So Federer's team is just a bunch of pollies then? Cmon dude, he plays tennis, tennis isn't politics and there's no need to lie about an injury. If he had one he would not be able to hide it for months anyway. How long has it been since the slip at Wimbledon now?

 

[MasturB]

So Federer's team is just a bunch of pollies then? Cmon dude, he plays tennis, tennis isn't politics and there's no need to lie about an injury. If he had one he would not be able to hide it for months anyway. How long has it been since the slip at Wimbledon now?

You really really really just need to stop.

You are either trolling at this point, or just aren't going to see what people are saying. If you can't understand context, stop asking the same questions over and over.

 

[icedevil0289]

Bloody hell, Fed fans really do like to dissect his defeats to within an inch of their life. The guy's 37 for Christ's sake - just be grateful he's still out there competing!

as if comments about injury, motivation etc don't follow other fanbases.

 

[ADuck]

You really really really just need to stop.

You are either trolling at this point, or just aren't going to see what people are saying. If you can't understand context, stop asking the same questions over and over.

So when will we know the truth then? At what date will Fed announce that he sustained an injury having slipped at Wimbledon and has been hiding it till now out of humility? And if that day never comes?

 

[r2473]

Federer was just sad last night because Gavin wasn’t in his box

 

[West Coast Ace]

You really really really just need to stop.

You are either trolling at this point, or just aren't going to see what people are saying. If you can't understand context, stop asking the same questions over and over.

You need to let it go. Bill Shakespeare ‘doth protest too much’ comes to mind.

People? It’s pretty much just you.

 

[MasturB]

Again. This is a silly discussion to have with you.

Because it doesn't really prove anything or contradict what I said. If you even wanna label it versus top 10 all time, Pablo Cuevas is #4 and Andrey Rublev is #9.

Let's just talk about that for a minute. Do you think 20 year old Andrey Rublev, has enough cumulative data for his career against Top 10 players on clay, to be only 4 spots behind Rafa Nadal? Do you think Pablo Cuevas, has played the same amount of Top 10 players on clay for his career, as Roger did in a few years span where he faced Rafa or Novak in clay court finals/semifinals? Roddick skipped so many clay tournaments during the prime years of his career. He's top 10 in service games held on clay. You don't think the fact he skipped so many clay tourneys in his prime wouldn't have brought his % down, considering it would mean he would have had to play Rafa,Novak,Roger,Murray on clay more and more? The guy was losing to mid level clay courters or playing in Houston where none of the best European players were at. It's a perfect example of how flawed the ATP website is cherry picking statistics.

Hey @Red Rick

I noticed you've been posting in other threads, but somehow went missing after I posted this.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me why, it makes perfect sense from a statistical analysis perspective, that the ATP website has 20 year old Andrey Rublev, whom only has a handful of ATP matches under his belt at the top level on clay and is ranked Top 10 all time on the website, should be placed 4 spots below the Greatest Clay Courter of All Time who has 15 years worth of data under his belt. Because you know, it's silly to argue with the stats on the ATP website, but it's not silly to ask why the website has a 20 year old with limited experience as listed as Top 10 all time.

And why Roddick is Top 10 all time in clay holds, but then you don't say anything when I ask about all the years Roddick skipped Clay Masters, or the times he played Houston instead of playing against the best returners in the world in the Europe swing. You don't seem to want to answer if Roddick would have sustained a top service hold % if he actually did play into clay tournaments to go deep enough to play the likes of rafa, nole, fed, murray in their primes on clay. Show me the head to heads of when that happened. I've been looking for it but it seems like those matches are missing on the ATP website.

 

[MasturB]

You need to let it go. Bill Shakespeare ‘doth protest too much’ comes to mind.

People? It’s pretty much just you.

Uh, read the context of what others have posted in here too.

I mean you've been a registered member here a year longer than I have, and have 2x more posts than I do. So I can understand you're too busy posting substantive discussion to have time to actually read posts when you're not trolling yourself.

 

[Northern]

When Nadal can't walk, wears bandages, is forced to withdraw, and misses the next slam claiming injury, he's just lying (he's not really injured.)

When Fed plays like crap, then he plays a great match, then the next match his level falls again, and just claims he's not injured but was affected by weather conditions, he's lying too (he's really injured.)

You really can't trust anyone these days...

 

[West Coast Ace]

Uh, read the context of what others have posted in here too.

I mean you've been a registered member here a year longer than I have, and have 2x more posts than I do. So I can understand you're too busy posting substantive discussion to have time to actually read posts when you're not trolling yourself.

Whatever.

Go cry some more. Get it all out.

PS - Fed doesn’t care that you’re here making excuses for him. Actually probably embarrassed.

 

[MasturB]

When Nadal can't walk, wears bandages, is forced to withdraw, and misses the next slam claiming injury, he's just lying (he's not really injured.)

When Fed plays like crap, then he plays a great match, then the next match his level falls again, and just claims he's not injured but was affected by weather conditions, he's lying too (he's really injured.)

You really can't trust anyone these days...

I'm not one of those people actually.

I know when Rafa is injured. I've never questioned Rafa's injuries actually. I do question the timing of his medical timeouts sometimes, but never questioned his injuries. He was clearly hurt in the AO2014 final against Stan.

And I'm also one of the few people who don't think Rog played all that great of a match against Kyrgios despite the scoreline. Because I spent time analyzing the match as a coach, not as a fan, hours after the match was over. The match was entertaining, but hardly what I'd say was a dominant Fed performance.

 

[BeatlesFan]

He is not injured. He is old.

Exactly. And yes, OP, we remember your “injury” hypothesis and anyone not blind can see he was never injured when you claimed he was.

He was serving 121 all night last night and had no movement issues except those brought on by heat. There is no one in the world’s press or even on social media who even floated the thought of any “injury.” Those of us who have watched Fed for 18 years can plainly see when he’s hampered and the only thing hampering him last night were the conditions and the fact he’s ancient.

 

[MasturB]

Whatever.

Go cry some more. Get it all out.

PS - Fed doesn’t care that you’re here making excuses for him. Actually probably embarrassed.

I'm not crying.

I get paid to live the dream my friend. I get to travel the world doing what I love (coaching tennis). I find it humorous you waste your time coming at me. I find it even more humorous you think I care if Fed knows I'm "making excuses for him" or not.

But I should use the Red Rick statistical analysis method. You have one of the highest post counts in the history of this website, thus the data proves you are a top quality poster. Because you can't argue with those stats!

 

[BeatlesFan]

More like: getting older

And how amazing that his “injury” wasn’t at all in existence when he easily beat Nick.

 

[MasturB]

Exactly. And yes, OP, we remember you “injury” hypothesis and anyone not blind can see he was never injured when you claimed he was.

He was serving 121 all night last night and had no movement issues except those brought on by heat. There is no one in the world’s press or even on social media who even floated the thought of any “injury.” Those of us who have watched Fed for 18 years can plainly see when he’s hampered and the only think hampering him last night were the conditions and the fact he’s ancient.

Thanks Coach Beatlesfan. I'm glad it's as simple as that.

@Kaptain Karl , you see what happens when people who've never played the game at a high level or worked in it, can so confidently narrow down and simplify "well his MPH's looked normal, thus there's nothing wrong with him". Posters like you and I who actually have experience in the field should just never say anything. It's more entertaining to watch armchair fans here go at it anyways.

 

[West Coast Ace]

I'm not crying.

I get paid to live the dream my friend. I get to travel the world doing what I love (coaching tennis). I find it humorous you waste your time coming at me. I find it even more humorous you think I care if Fed knows I'm "making excuses for him" or not.

But I should use the Red Rick statistical analysis method. You have one of the highest post counts in the history of this website, thus the data proves you are a top quality poster. Because you can't argue with those stats!

tl;dr

So anyone who disagrees with your ‘mystery injury rheory’ is trolling? Looks like you’ve got a bunch on your hand.

PS - I’m done with you - thought you were a knowledgeable tennis person; realize now you’re just a fangirl. You’re making suresh and nostrafedace look good.

 

[ADuck]

I'm not one of those people actually.

I know when Rafa is injured. I've never questioned Rafa's injuries actually. I do question the timing of his medical timeouts sometimes, but never questioned his injuries. He was clearly hurt in the AO2014 final against Stan.

And I'm also one of the few people who don't think Rog played all that great of a match against Kyrgios despite the scoreline. Because I spent time analyzing the match as a coach, not as a fan, hours after the match was over. The match was entertaining, but hardly what I'd say was a dominant Fed performance.

Respect. But you're still wrong about this IMO.

 

[NastyWinners]

He was moving like a cat in the first set and then the heat/humidity got to him. Not so certain there is an injury there unless being 37 and not having the stamina and energy to bounce-back as consistently is one.

 

[MasturB]

tl;dr

So anyone who disagrees with your ‘mystery injury rheory’ is trolling? Looks like you’ve got a bunch on your hand.

PS - I’m done with you - thought you were a knowledgeable tennis person; realize now you’re just a fangirl. You’re making suresh and nostrafedace look good.

I want substantive discussion.

You simply coming into a thread saying "it's just excuses, shut up you're a moron" is not discussion.

I've laid out actual substantive discussion by discussing real things like data, biomechanics, etc. You come into the thread and have contributed nothing.

So it has nothing to do with disagreeing. I disagree with fellow coaches and pro players all the time on tactics, player weaknesses, strategy. But the thing is, we have substantive disagreements. That's how you actually learn something.

Your dismissive behavior and posting style contributes no actual discussion of substance. Thus, I find it hilariosu you think i'm "crying" when you're wasting your time coming into this thread.

I know it's kind of sad that I come to a place of discussion to actually have a discussion, and not just see who can insult and type louder than others. But that's what this place has devolved into the last 10 years. The fact you have one of the highest post counts here, all the while this place has continued to devolve probably isn't a coincidence.

 

[ADuck]

@MasturB btw do you have srdena on ignore because I was replying to him, but then you kept quoting my reply to him?

 

[MasturB]

@MasturB btw do you have srdena on ignore because I was replying to him, but then you kept quoting my reply to him?

I don't believe in putting people on ignore.

There are posters here who contribute no actual discussion that I get entertainment value out of reading. I read everything and just don't really remember things I don't find interesting. There's zero reason to take anything personal on this place. I've never met anyone here in real life. And I know people behave differently online than they do in real life.

So I just come here 95% of the time to get entertained and read troll wars. The other 5% of time I do actually look to have real discussion.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

tl;dr

So anyone who disagrees with your ‘mystery injury rheory’ is trolling? Looks like you’ve got a bunch on your hand.

PS - I’m done with you - thought you were a knowledgeable tennis person; realize now you’re just a fangirl. You’re making suresh and nostrafedace look good.

Was your impression about him as a knowledgeable person based on facts or you were just sympathetic with his allegiance as a fan, and, if the first, how does a recognised knowledgeable person goes from being knowlegable to being a fangirl?

Shouldn't it be the other way around, and more thought be given to the ideas of a person, who proved to be knowledgeable, instead of directly dismissing his opinion as a "fangirl"-ish?

Just a thought.

 

[ADuck]

I don't believe in putting people on ignore.

There are posters here who contribute no actual discussion that I get entertainment value out of reading. I read everything and just don't really remember things I don't find interesting. There's zero reason to take anything personal on this place. I've never met anyone here in real life. And I know people behave differently online than they do in real life.

So I just come here 95% of the time to get entertained and read troll wars. The other 5% of time I do actually look to have real discussion.

Okay just checking

 

[Meles]

I said Roger looked like he injured himself when he slipped against Big Kev in the Wimby Quarters? It was obvious then as his play declined after that slip tremendously and only stayed alive in that match because servebotting and Anderson being a terrible returner.

He's still looked like he hasn't recovered from that injury. His level of play is almost the same after he slipped. The only thing that has changed since is he chases after more returns than he was when he initially got hurt but he isnt doing very much with them if he gets them in play.

Buggy whips on forehands unnecessarily, double faulting more and more because he's going for more on both serves since his body won't allow him to play defense, serve and volleying too much on second serves because he isnt trying to play any rallies since his movement is limited, barely getting racket on returns and returns he is getting hes not doing much with them, going for bizarre drop shots and not even attempting to cover the net after drop shots because he wasn't in a good position to hit a dropper to begin with, etc.

Just a reminder to some of you. Rog injured himself in Montreal last year, and didn't get back to his 2017 level until Shanghai once he physically looked like he recovered. We all saw how meh he was during the 2017 USO. Spraying UE everywhere and missing volleys.

He didn't skip Toronto this year because he was saving himself for Cinncy. We saw how awful his level at Cinncy was even with the extra rest. He skipped Toronto because he hadn't fully recovered from the injury from the Wimby QF. His level the entire week of Cinncy was awful. Servebotting is what saved him that whole week. Once his serves became ineffective, or someone like Nole made him play extra shots from the baseline it was all she wrote.

Tonight proved once again he's not just "choking" as some Fed diehards on here think.

His body is not 100%. I'm almost certain his lower back is the cause of this. It's not because he's old. Yes he's older so its expected he will lose a few steps. But his route efficiency and footwork as he's aged has not changed one iota. As he's aged he doesnt have the raw speed he did at 27. But his footwork and getting to the ball efficiently despite losing footspeed never changed.

What you are seeing is a sign he's not healthy.

You can watch the Indian Wells Del Po Final and he was moving better and still hitting the ball better than he has been the last month and a half. People think his level at the Australian was bad despite winning. Yes he wasnt hitting as many outright winners as he was on 2017 but physically he looked better at the AO 2018 than he did in 2017. People only say his level declined because he wasnt ripping backhand winners like he did against Nadal in the Final. But watch the tape and his footwork and defense were still just as immaculate in 2018 AO which is why he made it all the way to the Final without dropping a set.

He was grinding less than he was in 2017 AO and just playing efficient like the Fedberg years minus the surplus of serve and volley.

Thank you to the few of you (you know who you are) that believed me when I said Fed was injured. Those of you who are fans of other players that think I'm just making excuses and those of you so called Fed fans that think he sucks because hes just choking and it isnt a physical ailment, I don't care what you think.

The eyes don't lie. I made concrete arguments as to what was physically wrong with him then. I don't need to do it now because its more of the same.

Well Fed himself said it was the stifling humidity. Sounds like more fraudulent excuses for a player who has little chance of winning the US Open again.

 

[MasturB]

Was your impression about him as a knowledgeable person based on facts or you were just sympathetic with his allegiance as a fan, and, if the first, how does a recognised knowledgeable person goes from being knowlegable to being a fangirl?

Shouldn't it be the other way around, and more thought be given to the ideas of a person, who proved to be knowledgeable, instead of directly dismissing his opinion as a "fangirl"-ich?

Just a thought.

I'm somewhat flattered he even thought of me as a "knowledgeable person". Even funnier I've now been demoted to simply a fan girl.

The last few years or so, I've posted less and less. Probably 90% of my posts the last year or so are one word "Fedr" posts. The other 10% is just me picking and choosing which debates to have if there is even one to have.

I realized that this place has continued to devolve in quality. But I still hold out hope that there are people lurking that still want to have a genuine discussion.

 

[MasturB]

Well Fed himself said it was the stifling humidity. Sounds like more fraudulent excuses for a player who has little chance of winning the US Open again.

Fred played in equally worse humidity in Cincinnati last week. Made no mention of it after he lost to Novak, or when he won his matches in humidity against Stan/Goffin.

Not saying it wasn't a factor, but I do think the humidity/roof conditions is him overblowing it. Fred isn't the most humble loser sometimes, and I say that as a fan of his. He historically hasn't used injury excuses after losses immediately after a loss. He'll mention it weeks or months down the line that he was "battling through an injury but I'm healthy now". I've seen enough Fed press conferences to know that once you've seen a few you've seen them all.

 

[Meles]

its not that far fetched imo to believe he couldn't find his timing/rhythm due to the heat

Especially because that is what Fed said himself. This thread.

Relax handwringerers he'll do well enough once the courts speed up and they're all very fast from here on out through the Australian Open. Djoko has traditionally done well in Asia, but all the other surfaces have been made faster so Fed will do just fine.

 

[sredna42]

Uh, read the context of what others have posted in here too.

I mean you've been a registered member here a year longer than I have, and have 2x more posts than I do. So I can understand you're too busy posting substantive discussion to have time to actually read posts when you're not trolling yourself.

I've been a member on many different forums over the years, some absolutely huge ones, was administrator of one car forum, and of all of them, this tennis forum seems to attract the most petty, mouth breathing pallid autarded doritos eating slugs, and group thinking status whoring virtue signaling turds, that it has been my amusement to encounter. Just really scaly and unpleasant characters in droves.

It's like the anti-madagascar, an island populated not by beautiful colourful creatures, but an island filled only with bugs, slaters, spiders, slugs, scorpions, millipedes, earwigs, blowflies, worms, maggots, and every other vile crawling thing you'd find under a rock. If I could get a camera crew I'd do a documentary called "the wrong side of the bell curve"

edit: or maybe that was what "the island of dr moreau" was about, and marlon brando was acting as suresh

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Especially because that is what Fed said himself. This thread.

Relax handwringerers he'll do well enough once the courts speed up and they're all very fast from here on out through the Australian Open. Djoko has traditionally done well in Asia, but all the other surfaces have been made faster so Fed will do just fine.

Here is a thought: extreme conditions do make injuries worse.

I know, I know, "Federer said...."

BTW, do you believe in everything the players say?

 

[Meles]

Fred played in equally worse humidity in Cincinnati last week. Made no mention of it after he lost to Novak, or when he won his matches in humidity against Stan/Goffin.

Not saying it wasn't a factor, but I do think the humidity/roof conditions is him overblowing it. Fred isn't the most humble loser sometimes, and I say that as a fan of his. He historically hasn't used injury excuses after losses immediately after a loss. He'll mention it weeks or months down the line that he was "battling through an injury but I'm healthy now". I've seen enough Fed press conferences to know that once you've seen a few you've seen them all.

If Goffin had been healthy Fed would have gone down in the SF. And once again Fed said it was THE factor. Millman said Fed was clearly off. Borna Coric melted down serving late in the first set yesterday with drippings literally soaking the court and distracting him on serve. These have been weird, weird conditions the last few days. Its been something like ten years since Fed has won US Open; that ship has sailed.

 

[ADuck]

Here is a thought: extreme conditions do make injuries worse.

I know, I know, "Federer said...."

BTW, do you believe in everything the players say?

For some people it's a matter of picking and choosing what suits their agendas and beliefs. For example, Federer said the courts were playing like clay, and that was a perfectly acceptable time to believe him. But today he said he lost because of the humidity (not due to any injury) and that was not the time to believe him.

 

[Meles]

Here is a thought: extreme conditions do make injuries worse.

I know, I know, "Federer said...."

BTW, do you believe in everything the players say?

Not at all. I've long thought that Fed's back hints dropped late last year were pretty much BS. Reality is he's not great this part of the season and no US Open's in 10 years pretty much gives you the story from 30,000 feet.

This clearly was the humidity, so Fed fans can pretty much ignore this result and move along. Fed was never going to beat Novak on this surface. I DO look forward to his return in Asia because:
1. That surface is as fast as ever and unchanged over the last five years so we'll have New Fed vs Djoko on a favorite surface.
2. Paris, WTF, and Australia are all much faster for what should be the third year in 2018. New Fed should still have a nice advantage in these conditions.

In short handwringerers relax. And those eager for Fed's demise may want to curb their enthusiasm. Big 3 are all doing well now so its going to be very competitive especially with the field rapidly filling up with players 25 and under that will challenge them (speed kills).

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Not at all. I've long thought that Fed's back hints dropped late last year were pretty much BS. Reality is he's not great this part of the season and no US Open's in 10 years pretty much gives you the story from 30,000 feet.

This clearly was the humidity, so Fed fans can pretty much ignore this result and move along. Fed was never going to beat Novak on this surface. I DO look forward to his return in Asia because:
1. That surface is as fast as ever and unchanged over the last five years so we'll have New Fed vs Djoko on a favorite surface.
2. Paris, WTF, and Australia are all much faster for what should be the third year in 2018. New Fed should still have a nice advantage in these conditions.

In short handwringerers relax. And those eager for Fed's demise may want to curb their enthusiasm. Big 3 are all doing well now so its going to be very competitive especially with the field rapidly filling up with players 25 and under that will challenge them (speed kills).

Can't you be serious for just one poast?

 

[Northern]

I'm not one of those people actually.

I know when Rafa is injured. I've never questioned Rafa's injuries actually. I do question the timing of his medical timeouts sometimes, but never questioned his injuries. He was clearly hurt in the AO2014 final against Stan.

And I'm also one of the few people who don't think Rog played all that great of a match against Kyrgios despite the scoreline. Because I spent time analyzing the match as a coach, not as a fan, hours after the match was over. The match was entertaining, but hardly what I'd say was a dominant Fed performance.

Federer is very old. When you are old you tend to be more susceptible to physical problems mostly due to slower recovery, but I wouldn't necessarily call that an injury.

The silver lining here is that Fed won't have to play with Djokovic, which would have been a disaster.