Repco Bathurst 1000 - Mount Panorama - 8th Oct

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Well I thought I would start a small thread about this car race in Australia. While this is a US based forum some of the points that I wish to raise will apply to the rest of the world,
Firstly the Bathurst 1000 is a car race that has been held 64 times commencing in 1960 and is Australia’s number one car racing event. As the name suggests the race is 1000km long which is 161 laps,
The whole event is held over 3 days with the Sunday being the main race. The race has mainly been for cars that that are either Group E, Group
A touring cars and then V8 Super cars. During the 60’s right through to the 90’s there were homologation rules where to enter a car it had to be available for sale to the public with at least 500 sales. This idea really caught the imagination of the Australian car enthusiast community and the winning car on Sunday would initiate huge sales of the car on the Monday following the race,
Over the years there has been entries from Holden, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Mazda, Toyota, Volvo, Chevrolet, Rover, Renault, BMW and Mitsubishi.
The event is held in a New South Wales country town called Bathurst which is about 3hours inland west of Sydney. It’s a treacherous and narrow road track that runs up Mount Panorama with sharp corners then hits a spot called Skyline, aptly named because when you get to the top that’s all you see. It then snakes down the hill to a long straight called Conrod Straight where cars will hit around 280km before they have to get on the brakes and navigate a dogleg and avoid the sand trap before they turn into the start:finish pitt lane.
As many of you know Australia no long makes cars and currently there are only two cars involved, the Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaro. A few years ago there were a few V8 Nissan Altimas ( they were probably 450gt’s RWD cars ). Where this all gets a bit interesting is that in the US the Camaro looks to be finishing up and Ford US is mainly selling Mustangs and Rangers. With many manufacturers moving to EV’s people are a bit uncertain as to how this will play out for Motorsport and their many fans. Porsche has been working on synthetic fuel options and I believe the classic car community is also watching to see what will happen next,
Today there are currently 200 k people at the event and many Australians are watching on channel 7. Interested to hearing what will happen in the US and other countries moving forward with touring car racing and what makes and models may be used.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Just as a supplementary comment some of the cars which have achieved legendary status at Bathurst include:
1. Holden Torana Gtr Xu1
2. Holden Torana A9X
3. Various iterations of the Holden Commodore
4. Ford Falcon GT snd Falcons of multiple iterations
5. Chrysler Valiant Charger E38
6. Nissan GTR R32 and Nissan Bluebird
7. Ford Sierra Cosworth
8. Mazda RX7 Series 1.2.3
9. Toyota Corolla SX
10 Volvo 242 GT
11.BMW 635
12. Camaro, Mustang, Altima
Famous racing car drivers of Bathurst include Peter Brock, Alan Moffat, Dick Johnson, Jim Richards, Mark Scaiff, Colin Bond, Larry Perkins, Craig Lowndes, Jamie Windcup and many others.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Right now they are conducting a race with a Toyota 86 class and as race cars they are very pretty cars and handle really well. Many of the young racers learn their craft in this class. These cars are much lighter than the super cars, take up less track, lots of character.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Just as a supplementary comment some of the cars which have achieved legendary status at Bathurst include:
1. Holden Torana Gtr Xu1
2. Holden Torana A9X
3. Various iterations of the Holden Commodore
4. Ford Falcon GT snd Falcons of multiple iterations
5. Chrysler Valiant Charger E38
6. Nissan GTR R32 and Nissan Bluebird
7. Ford Sierra Cosworth
8. Mazda RX7 Series 1.2.3
9. Toyota Corolla SX
10 Volvo 242 GT
11.BMW 635
12. Camaro, Mustang, Altima
Famous racing car drivers of Bathurst include Peter Brock, Alan Moffat, Dick Johnson, Jim Richards, Mark Scaiff, Colin Bond, Larry Perkins, Craig Lowndes, Jamie Windcup and many others.

You do realise that the Australian auto industry, which produced a lot of these cars and showcased them at Bathurst, is as dead as the dodo? Bathurst is now museum culture.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
You do realise that the Australian auto industry, which produced a lot of these cars and showcased them at Bathurst, is as dead as the dodo? Bathurst is now museum culture.
Well I think the motor racing community world wide will be looking into the future of motor sport and Porsche currently is working on synthetic fuels. Definitely here with the Camaro being phased out there will be meetings,
We may well see the Group A class return with more cars from Europe, Japan and Korean makes introduced.
This video talks about E fuels
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
And there is this. A lot of climate people won’t want this because having this technology allows you to have personal transport and they don’t want you to have that sought of freedom,
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
After just over 6 hours Shane can Gisbergen and Richie Stanaway have won the 60th Bathurst 1000 in there 5.7 litre V8 Chevrolet Camaro.
Apparently you guys in the states will see the New Zealander compete in NASCAR racing in 2024. He has won the race back to back and it has been a good day for Chevrolet which picked up
Second spot with Ford Mustang third, and dominated the top 10.
Such a great weekend and perfect Spring weather for such an iconic Australian event:
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
The US does have their own iconic motor sports events and NASCAR, I think where the commonalities will come into discussion ( apart from Sean van Gisbergen moving to NASCAR) is to do with the cars and the sport in general.
With GM, Ford and Chrysler changing the type of cars they are making will have an impact on motor racing and car enthusiasts.
And much of the discussion here in Australia on the weekend in radio was about what to make of the prospect of engineering synthetic carbon neutral fuels as an option for old car enthusiasts and those in the sport. Toyota, Honda and Porsche are working on this technology as an addition to their EV cars,
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Using an EV car as a racing car with all the heat they generate and the level of lubricants they need plus the prospect of hitting the wall and catching alight and exploding is a problem.
Imagine also with a 1000km race and batteries running out of charge, well that wouldn’t work and changing batteries would take too long,
The feel and handling of an EV is quite different to the feel coming from an ICE and the weight these cars would carry around would be quite significant so one could understand that the motor racing industry CAMS would be looking for future clarification and solutions.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
They already have a Formula E competition with no problems other than the length of the race due to battery limitations, so you got all that mostly wrong.
 

DariaGT

Professional
After just over 6 hours Shane can Gisbergen and Richie Stanaway have won the 60th Bathurst 1000 in there 5.7 litre V8 Chevrolet Camaro.
Apparently you guys in the states will see the New Zealander compete in NASCAR racing in 2024. He has won the race back to back and it has been a good day for Chevrolet which picked up
Second spot with Ford Mustang third, and dominated the top 10.
Such a great weekend and perfect Spring weather for such an iconic Australian event:

Croc gonna have to disagree with any Glory for Bathurst or its survival, its like all those dinosaur bones in Museums just fake propaganda.

There like the rest of the world Mazda was never allowed PP 13Bs so a new design had to be made the BP but was inferior for endurance.

Bathurst has always been a duopoly of Holden and Ford (revamped US cars with usually lower quality made local engines)

The Mob rule there did everything possible to stop the GTR win in the late 80s when they stopped the race as the GTRs were leading and Dick J crashed.
The Rs500 got the lead for not pitting for tyres like everyone else did and crashing as it started raining.

The GTRs were way ahead and in their element should have been awarded the win 1 and 2 positions 3-4 laps afterwards when Officials then wound back the clock.

The only decent racing there is in endurance racing with factory available cars not that Monaro 427 with that US sourced race engine that needed to be heated
before startup and many other steps not possible for a street car.

Time they turned that cheating propaganda zest pit into an electric golf gated community.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Croc gonna have to disagree with any Glory for Bathurst or its survival, its like all hose dinosaur bones in Museums just fake propaganda.

There like the rest of the world Mazda was never allowed PP 13Bs so a new design had to be made the BP but was inferior for endurance.

Bathurst has always been a duopoly of Holden and Ford (revamped US cars with usually lower quality made local engines)

The Mob rule there did everything possible to stop the GTR win in the late 80s when they stopped the race as the GTRs were leading and Dick J crashed.
The Rs500 got the lead for not pitting for tyres like everyone else did and crashing as it started raining.

The GTRs were way ahead and in their element should have been awarded the win 1 and 2 positions 3-4 laps afterwards when Officials then wound back the clock.

The only decent racing there is in endurance racing with factory available cars not that Monaro 427 with an engine that US sourced race engine that needed to be heated
before startup and many other steps not possible for a street car.

Time they turned that cheating propaganda zest pit into an electric golf gated community.
Thanks for taking the time to post
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
They already have a Formula E competition with no problems other than the length of the race due to battery limitations, so you got all that mostly wrong.
Do you watch it. Who won this years series?
I spoke to some car club people and they are talking synthetic fuels. I would not want to hit the wall with an EV racing car.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I haven't seen any particular problem with EVs and walls.
Even hitting debris can cause a major fire. If you want to buy an EV and race it around the track, go for it, but stick with other electric car owners so at least then you can all accept the risks together as a collective.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Even hitting debris can cause a major fire. If you want to buy an EV and race it around the track, go for it, but stick with other electric car owners so at least then you can all accept the risks together as a collective.

Debris did Concorde in as well. But I'd like to see the statistics.
 

DariaGT

Professional
Driver ran off leaving his passengers inside. He knew the consequences 2 fold
Speed and crash in a Tesla better run from getting arrested and save your life
by avoid the consequences of a personal burning man event.

There is no wise tech by corporations just smart tech atm "big difference"
sell it with propaganda and cover up issues with lies has always been the way
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I would just like to put in that the stupid "Green" anti-ICE engine lobby is screwing up the motorcycle industry. My rego for my two bikes is $AU940 each and given I have a diesel-guzzling 4WD that is about the same it's ridiculous, $AU3000 a year in rego, and would like another bike as they tend to be very purpose-orientated. I use a 500cc dirt bike 3x a week as transport because it's fun and easy, and it drinks stuff all. But I need to flash the ECU because the Euro 5/6 compliance makes it run so rich at low RPM it's dangerous, hot, and flameouts. Luckily my Ducati is old and pre-stuff ICE era so is better at low RPM. But my point is the world is trying to band motorcycles, look at Britain and zoning rules and the Euro emissions compliance and they are nowhere near a hindrance to the environment. I can understand constraining large-capacity bikes if they are truly environmentally unfriendly which they aren't compared to a car, any car. Through policing, fast bikes are becoming no-goes which I understand is required having the duke, 0-200km/hr 9.2s. But why am I subsidising Tesla's and other electric vehicles when my bikes are far more environmentally friendly? ICE engines are scheduled for the end of life in 2035, why get rid of bikes like the Honda Monkey and replace them with poor electric scooters when a monkey drinks so little and can ht 100km/h which most electric scooters can't and is therefore dangerous. Not saying I want a Monkey but. Bikes should be exempt from the crud rules, they are around 200kg (My dirt 112kg and Road 160kg dry), and at legal speeds don't drink much, and cause as much wear and tear on roads. Electric bikes will never replace ICE because of the mass required for batteries. Plus bikes about feel as much as utility use. Our networks will have to change but people riding an electric scooter on the road and footpaths which is dangerous (I saw it tonight, a bike that can't go above 50km/hr on the road). Bikes can be dangerous, and I could see a speed limiter is required like in the late 90s when Honda and Yamaha limited their bikes to 300km/hr but maybe limited to 160 km/hr instead. They will still get there very fast, but stop that silly 200 Km/hr speed where things get beyond human response. My point stop imposing car based "Green" environment policy on bikes.

Sorry nothing to say about Bathurst. It's never been the same since it became "race" cars rather than something you could buy on Monday. "Win Sunday buy Monay" Not saying they are exactly the same but the pre-GMvFord era was better. Chrysler Charges, Mini's, Volvo, Nissan, JAG, etc are better. Throw in BMW 318 as Div 2 makes it interesting. I suppose as log as Touring Car fans like it, all good. But it's truely professional racing, these things are no where near real cars.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
The big race ( 2024 Repco 1000) is on again today at Bathurst New South Wales Australia - part of the Australian culture. They are competing for the Peter Brock Trophy - 26 cars, 52 driver - 6 hour race consisting of 161 laps. ( 1000km)
The cars are V8 Super cars and currently in 2024 they are using the Ford Mustang and GM Camaro as body shells and next year they will add the Toyota Supra. The race has been held 64 times.
Bathurst is a pretty regional country town 3 hours west of Sydney and the track is based st a mountain called Mount Panorama, quite an extraordinary racing track with a steep climb to the top of the mountain where all you see is the skyline out of your car and then conrod straight where the cars hit 300kph.
It’s a very popular Australian event attracting a big crowd with many different lead up races including Porsches and Toyota 86.’s(
 
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