restoring "my faith in the human spirit"

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
let me just say that i thought the tennis played during the agassi/baghdatis match was inspired. i wish i could say the same for everything else. and while i don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill (a big fuss over nothing) i did want to share a thought or two.

when asked about the crowd during the post-match interview immediately following the match, agassi said something to the effect that the crowd restored his "faith in the human spirit." i found this comment somewhat odd. i mean, the crowd gave him incredible support, cheering him from start to finish. no surprise there. but what exactly is so inspiring about receiving the unwavering support of a crowd who adores you? a crowd who, while cheering for their man agassi, boo'd his opponent, jeered him when he started cramping in the latter stages of the match, and almost gave a standing ovation for the two double faults that baghdatis hit when serving to take the match to a fifth-set tiebreak. "faith in the human spirit"?? why, in my eyes their behavior was slightly embarrassing, to say the least.

can i tell mr agassi what restored MY faith in the "human spirit." it was the heart and the grace shown by mr baghdatis, who was down two sets to love, who battled his sloppy play to get back into the match, who fought the hostile crowd and a very worthy opponent, who didn't quit when his body began to give out on him, who fought til the last point was played. a young man who, in defeat, gave agassi a warm congratulation at the net, and again in front of the umpire's chair. who, in his interview, acknowledged the play of his opponent, the on-court battle, the grandness of the moment, and the many tennis accomplishments of agassi, a man he admires. now THAT restored my faith in the human spirit.

and while mr agassi was basking in the deserved glow of winning a titanic struggle against a worthy foe, he neglected to mention mr baghdatis, or his effort, or how inspiring he was during the match, and how gracious he was in defeat. perhaps andre was too tired, or thinking about the aches and pains in his body? perhaps he was too distracted by the cheers to take note of the other individual that made that moment such a wonderful moment for him (and his fans). i would say that as an 'elder statesman' of our beautiful game, he fell far short of the dignity and class shown by a man much younger and less experienced than he, who showed a grace far beyond his years.

mr baghdatis has given me much faith in the human spirit. mr agassi, the fans at the stadium friday night, and the rest of us should be grateful for his example.
 

BiGGieStuFF

Hall of Fame
maybe as harsh as the crowd was to bags, they still cheered him at the end as a player and a person. Of course it does help to cheer bags on when he's saying nothing but good things about Andre. ;)

Should have just come out and said that match was his and b.becker will stomp andre.
 

BaseLineBash

Hall of Fame
skip1969 said:
let me just say that i thought the tennis played during the agassi/baghdatis match was inspired. i wish i could say the same for everything else. and while i don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill (a big fuss over nothing) i did want to share a thought or two.

when asked about the crowd during the post-match interview immediately following the match, agassi said something to the effect that the crowd restored his "faith in the human spirit." i found this comment somewhat odd. i mean, the crowd gave him incredible support, cheering him from start to finish. no surprise there. but what exactly is so inspiring about receiving the unwavering support of a crowd who adores you? a crowd who, while cheering for their man agassi, boo'd his opponent, jeered him when he started cramping in the latter stages of the match, and almost gave a standing ovation for the two double faults that baghdatis hit when serving to take the match to a fifth-set tiebreak. "faith in the human spirit"?? why, in my eyes their behavior was slightly embarrassing, to say the least.

can i tell mr agassi what restored MY faith in the "human spirit." it was the heart and the grace shown by mr baghdatis, who was down two sets to love, who battled his sloppy play to get back into the match, who fought the hostile crowd and a very worthy opponent, who didn't quit when his body began to give out on him, who fought til the last point was played. a young man who, in defeat, gave agassi a warm congratulation at the net, and again in front of the umpire's chair. who, in his interview, acknowledged the play of his opponent, the on-court battle, the grandness of the moment, and the many tennis accomplishments of agassi, a man he admires. now THAT restored my faith in the human spirit.

and while mr agassi was basking in the deserved glow of winning a titanic struggle against a worthy foe, he neglected to mention mr baghdatis, or his effort, or how inspiring he was during the match, and how gracious he was in defeat. perhaps andre was too tired, or thinking about the aches and pains in his body? perhaps he was too distracted by the cheers to take note of the other individual that made that moment such a wonderful moment for him (and his fans). i would say that as an 'elder statesman' of our beautiful game, he fell far short of the dignity and class shown by a man much younger and less experienced than he, who showed a grace far beyond his years.

mr baghdatis has given me much faith in the human spirit. mr agassi, the fans at the stadium friday night, and the rest of us should be grateful for his example.
You're really reading into this too much, there was a lot to absorb tonight, it's like walking through a museum...not till later do you sit down, read and look up things you saw.
 

superman1

Legend
And Mr. Agassi has far more serious health problems than cramps. Don't forget that.

I don't think Agassi needs to kiss Baghdatis' ass in the interview either, particularly because

a. McEnroe didn't ask him about Baghdatis
b. Agassi already showed his appreciation for Baghdatis with lots of smiles and a hug
c. McEnroe already said everything that needed to be said about Baghdatis.
d. Baghdatis didn't say anything about the crowd (can't blame him), so Agassi needed to make sure to thank the crowd more than anything.
e. He just finished a grueling match. At one point, McEnroe asked him a question and Agassi asked him to repeat it because he didn't hear him. That's how out of it he was.

Let's not make something out of nothing.

Oh, and let's also not forget that Baghdatis had already left the stadium. So you could criticize him for not staying to listen to what Agassi had to say, or you could just sit back and enjoy it.
 

Sadyv

Rookie
AS much I like Agassi, the disgusting New York crowd makes wish for him to be utterly annihilated and taken out in straight sets in his final match, whoever it is against.

I want the result of that match to never be in doubt, so that entire match is one long funeral march for the idiots of New York.
 

shinta

Rookie
Even though I'd like give Agassi the benefit of the doubt, given the fact that he was probably simply caught up in the moment and at a loss for better words, I still have to agree more or less with the OP, as I was also thinking these same thoughts after hearing Agassi's speech.
 

vicnan

Professional
Good points, Skip, about the crowd and Baghdatis. But I think Agassi may have just wanted to say something memorable to appreciate the crowd's support for a man in his last tournament. He had to come up with something great real fast and his comment came out as self-appreciating which may be was not the intent.
 

joeman957

Rookie
I completely agree with superman1. This match has made me a big Baghdatis fan, he's got a lot of heart. Maybe Agassi will go a lot further than everyone had expected.
 
Sadyv said:
AS much I like Agassi, the disgusting New York crowd makes wish for him to be utterly annihilated and taken out in straight sets in his final match, whoever it is against.

I want the result of that match to never be in doubt, so that entire match is one long funeral march for the idiots of New York.
careful, homeland security may be reading this.
 

Regulator

Rookie
Maybe Agassi meant it more so that his own spirits were restored and the crowd helped him. I mean New Yorkers are rough fans on the "enemy" but Agassi is on his last lap and has his share of health issues and probably is feeling down. Tennis has been his life for a good part of 20 or so years and he's realizing it is winding down.
 

bdawg

Semi-Pro
Regulator said:
Maybe Agassi meant it more so that his own spirits were restored and the crowd helped him. I mean New Yorkers are rough fans on the "enemy" but Agassi is on his last lap and has his share of health issues and probably is feeling down. Tennis has been his life for a good part of 20 or so years and he's realizing it is winding down.

has anyone ever thought that comment was just pure ******** (BS)?
 

Ten_is

Rookie
Agassi is a legend. Having many many people support you will certainly bring your spirits to a level that you may not feel every match you play. I think it's great. Crappy for the opponent though.

It's like Hockey, most teams play better at home during the whole year. Why? the support of their home town cheering for them.

Agassi is at a stage where he is about to finish off his career. It's amazing what the spirit is. Truly. If you believe, anything is possible.
 

Keifers

Legend
AJK1 said:
Shouldn' this thread have been put in Match Results Spoiler? I didn't know the result.
Yes, any chance this can be put back in the Match Results forum, moderators? Some people may not have watched their recording of the match yet.
 

shawn1122

Professional
I would have to agree that this comment was pure bs and that Agassi was just looking for something nice to say about the crowd.
 

FitzRoy

Professional
I think Andre was talking about the moment at the beginning of the fifth set, when he'd just been broken. He looked completely out of it, and, like the commentator said, all of a sudden appeared to be a 36-year old with a bad back. The crowd gave a huge outpouring of encouragement when he sat down during Baghdatis' injury timeout, and Agassi looked like he was about to cry. That moment gave him something; it really renewed his energy, his belief, and you could see it in his face and body language. His body wasn't giving him much, and after Baghdatis had started reeling off games in the 4th set, his mind wasn't giving him much either. The crowd gave him something intangible, and, at least in the heat of the moment, Agassi felt it was the human spirit. I'd say that was what he was talking about with the comment.
 

Keifers

Legend
FitzRoy said:
I think Andre was talking about the moment at the beginning of the fifth set, when he'd just been broken. He looked completely out of it, and, like the commentator said, all of a sudden appeared to be a 36-year old with a bad back. The crowd gave a huge outpouring of encouragement when he sat down during Baghdatis' injury timeout, and Agassi looked like he was about to cry. That moment gave him something; it really renewed his energy, his belief, and you could see it in his face and body language. His body wasn't giving him much, and after Baghdatis had started reeling off games in the 4th set, his mind wasn't giving him much either. The crowd gave him something intangible, and, at least in the heat of the moment, Agassi felt it was the human spirit. I'd say that was what he was talking about with the comment.
Excellent insight. And very well put. Thanks.
 

Rhino

Legend
Normally skip1969, I tend to agree with a lot of your posts. In this instance I think that perhaps Baghdatis has learned his lesson from the Australian Open final. In his speech after losing that match, Baggy neglected to mention Federer or acknowledge his opponent in any way (he didn't even thank his girlfriend), while Federer praised Baghadatis (and even his fans)highly.
Agassi always says things 'in the moment' in his speeches that he sometimes even regrets. He always gives it the 'all American hollywood' type on-court interview on Arther Ashe stadium; he loves to give the crowd what they want to hear, and they love him even more. I don't take it seriously, it's just part of 'the Agassi show' that everybody seems to be so caught up in.
I have a lot of respect for Baghdatis and Agassi.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
well, like i said at the very start, it's no big deal, really. those were my immediate impressions once i turned off the tv (and climbed into bed). i guess my only point was to try to give the bagman his due, since i felt he was hard done by during the match. he showed a lot last night. and i thought it a bit much that agassi praised the crowd (and never mentioned bags) when there were many times during the match that the crowd behaved in a less than sporting way. even mcenroe made a comment during the tail end of the match implying that maybe bags had been faking those cramps.

but i see your point, rhino (and agree with a lot of what other posters have said). agassi was playing up to the crowd and giving the network some good soundbites, nothing wrong with that. i ain't mad at 'im. the match was great and both agassi and bags won. well, tennis won really (even though the fans were a bit rotten). i went to sleep happy last night. who says tennis is for sissies, eh?
 

dysonlu

Professional
Personally, I found the on-court interview with Agassi quite lame. It didn't spark any emotion in me -- I was just indifferent. It seemed to me that Agassi's comments were simply too cliche (for lack of a better word), not genuine. His responses were uninspired and the "human spirit" comment was odd I found (like other posts mentioned, my first impression was also "this is BS to please the crowd"). Perhaps that he was simply speechless after this emotionally and physically demanding match. I give him the benefit of the doubt. I was also waiting for him to mention Bag but that never came. Disappointing.

Kudos for Bag for showing heart during the match and tremendous grace and generosity in defeat. He talked about Agassi during almost the entire interview. He's a genuine good guy.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
During his post match speech, with a few tears still in his eyes & having said great things about Agassi, Marcos summed up his heroic effort..nerves (set 1 & 2) cramping, the horrible serving which caused him to lose the match, iin two words..."oh, sh*t" .



His enthusiam, talent and genuineness give a lot to ATP tennis.
 

omigod

Rookie
BiGGieStuFF said:
maybe as harsh as the crowd was to bags, they still cheered him at the end as a player and a person. Of course it does help to cheer bags on when he's saying nothing but good things about Andre. ;)

Should have just come out and said that match was his and b.becker will stomp andre.
They cheers bags because he has lost to an American hero :D
New York crowd is tough, no question about it.
 

Rhino

Legend
omigod said:
They cheers bags because he has lost to an American hero :D
New York crowd is tough, no question about it.
true dat.
Tell you what though, I actually think that the French crowd at RG is even slightly worse, they can be really awful. The English crowd at Wimbledon is probably too polite. I think my favourite crowd are the Aussies who seem to have gotten it just right. They are a good mix of loud enthusiasm and fun, while at the same time they are generally respectful and not nasty to their players opponents during matches.
 

Keifers

Legend
Rhino said:
true dat.
Tell you what though, I actually think that the French crowd at RG is even slightly worse, they can be really awful. The English crowd at Wimbledon is probably too polite. I think my favourite crowd are the Aussies who seem to have gotten it just right. They are a good mix of loud enthusiasm and fun, while at the same time they are generally respectful and not nasty to their players opponents during matches.
I second that. The Aussies combine tremendous enthusiasm with a real respect for the game and for good sportsmanship. It takes a lot to get them booing players and they almost never cheer double faults or jeer or heckle opponents. They are more knowledgeable spectators than yahoo fans.
 

xfactor82

New User
Sadyv said:
AS much I like Agassi, the disgusting New York crowd makes wish for him to be utterly annihilated and taken out in straight sets in his final match, whoever it is against.

I want the result of that match to never be in doubt, so that entire match is one long funeral march for the idiots of New York.
**** off and die
 

prostaff1

Rookie
Baggy clearly showed what a quality opponent and person he truly is. Good for him.

My thread got erased last night about Agassi not mentioning Baggy in the post-match interview.

Several mindless wonders on this forum then blamed John Mcenroe for not asking him...what was there to ask? Baggy who actually suffered cramps AND a defeat did nothing but praise Andre and it seemed genuine without any prompting from anyone. Then along comes Andre with some irrelevant soundbyte praising only himself as always. And who can forget the juvenile swing-and-miss in order to embarass his opponent? Agassi never had any class and never will- there's no room left because of his ego.

And to all of you who will disagree- I still truly don't care.
 

flymeng

Semi-Pro
prostaff1 said:
Baggy clearly showed what a quality opponent and person he truly is. Good for him.

My thread got erased last night about Agassi not mentioning Baggy in the post-match interview.

Several mindless wonders on this forum then blamed John Mcenroe for not asking him...what was there to ask? Baggy who actually suffered cramps AND a defeat did nothing but praise Andre and it seemed genuine without any prompting from anyone. Then along comes Andre with some irrelevant soundbyte praising only himself as always. And who can forget the juvenile swing-and-miss in order to embarass his opponent? Agassi never had any class and never will- there's no room left because of his ego.

And to all of you who will disagree- I still truly don't care.
The swing-and-miss was in bad taste. Can't believe an old pro playing his last tournament would display such a juvenile act. This shows you cannot take the punk out of Agassi. You would never see Edberg, Rafter or Blake doing that.
 

dysonlu

Professional
flymeng said:
The swing-and-miss was in bad taste. Can't believe an old pro playing his last tournament would display such a juvenile act. This shows you cannot take the punk out of Agassi. You would never see Edberg, Rafter or Blake doing that.
Swing-and-miss? Damn! I didn't notice that one. What exactly happened???
 

Trinity TC

Semi-Pro
Sadyv said:
AS much I like Agassi, the disgusting New York crowd makes wish for him to be utterly annihilated and taken out in straight sets in his final match, whoever it is against.

I want the result of that match to never be in doubt, so that entire match is one long funeral march for the idiots of New York.
Still not as bad as the Philadelphia Eagles" fans booing Santa...I kid you not. BTW, that "faith in human spirit" is a variation of an old quote that Howard Cosell used when Muhammed Ali regained the heavyweight title way back when. It's reentering the sports lexicon and is pure hyperbole but I gotta cut Agassi a break because he had just about used up everything in the match.:cool:
 

flymeng

Semi-Pro
dysonlu said:
Swing-and-miss? Damn! I didn't notice that one. What exactly happened???
I think it may be during the 2nd set. Agassi was leading. He saw the ball coming and knew it was going out. He took a swing pretending he was going to hit the ball but never touched it, just to give Baghdatis a hard time. As if Baghdatis was not getting boos and jeers from the NY crowd. That was lame.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
yeah, you're right. insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you is not nearly as lame.

oh, wait . . .
 

superman1

Legend
This isn't an issue where people agree and disagree. This is an issue where most people are positive and there are a handful of negative whiners insulting a guy based on 1 or 2 harmless actions during a marathon match. He couldn't even stand up after the match and you are bashing him. And for what? I still don't know what he did wrong in your eyes.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
super, read what i said. i never said i hated agassi. i never said he did anything wrong or that i disapproved of. here, i'm gonna quote what i said earlier:

"well, like i said at the very start, it's no big deal, really. those were my immediate impressions once i turned off the tv (and climbed into bed). i guess my only point was to try to give the bagman his due, since i felt he was hard done by during the match. he showed a lot last night. and i thought it a bit much that agassi praised the crowd (and never mentioned bags) when there were many times during the match that the crowd behaved in a less than sporting way. even mcenroe made a comment during the tail end of the match implying that maybe bags had been faking those cramps.

but i see your point, rhino (and agree with a lot of what other posters have said). agassi was playing up to the crowd and giving the network some good soundbites, nothing wrong with that. i ain't mad at 'im. the match was great and both agassi and bags won. well, tennis won really (even though the fans were a bit rotten). i went to sleep happy last night. who says tennis is for sissies, eh?"
 

superman1

Legend
Nah, wasn't talking to you directly. Just the handful of people that are making a big deal out of nothing. I watched the match and as a result I admire Agassi even more, but some people say that hate Agassi now. I just can't figure it out, and quite frankly I don't care anymore. I've learned by now that people are very stubborn with their opinions, even if their opinions are based on stupidity.
 
skip1969 said:
let me just say that i thought the tennis played during the agassi/baghdatis match was inspired. i wish i could say the same for everything else. and while i don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill (a big fuss over nothing) i did want to share a thought or two.

when asked about the crowd during the post-match interview immediately following the match, agassi said something to the effect that the crowd restored his "faith in the human spirit." i found this comment somewhat odd. i mean, the crowd gave him incredible support, cheering him from start to finish. no surprise there. but what exactly is so inspiring about receiving the unwavering support of a crowd who adores you? a crowd who, while cheering for their man agassi, boo'd his opponent, jeered him when he started cramping in the latter stages of the match, and almost gave a standing ovation for the two double faults that baghdatis hit when serving to take the match to a fifth-set tiebreak. "faith in the human spirit"?? why, in my eyes their behavior was slightly embarrassing, to say the least.

can i tell mr agassi what restored MY faith in the "human spirit." it was the heart and the grace shown by mr baghdatis, who was down two sets to love, who battled his sloppy play to get back into the match, who fought the hostile crowd and a very worthy opponent, who didn't quit when his body began to give out on him, who fought til the last point was played. a young man who, in defeat, gave agassi a warm congratulation at the net, and again in front of the umpire's chair. who, in his interview, acknowledged the play of his opponent, the on-court battle, the grandness of the moment, and the many tennis accomplishments of agassi, a man he admires. now THAT restored my faith in the human spirit.

and while mr agassi was basking in the deserved glow of winning a titanic struggle against a worthy foe, he neglected to mention mr baghdatis, or his effort, or how inspiring he was during the match, and how gracious he was in defeat. perhaps andre was too tired, or thinking about the aches and pains in his body? perhaps he was too distracted by the cheers to take note of the other individual that made that moment such a wonderful moment for him (and his fans). i would say that as an 'elder statesman' of our beautiful game, he fell far short of the dignity and class shown by a man much younger and less experienced than he, who showed a grace far beyond his years.

mr baghdatis has given me much faith in the human spirit. mr agassi, the fans at the stadium friday night, and the rest of us should be grateful for his example.
very good observation!
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
superman1 said:
Nah, wasn't talking to you directly. Just the handful of people that are making a big deal out of nothing. I watched the match and as a result I admire Agassi even more, but some people say that hate Agassi now. I just can't figure it out, and quite frankly I don't care anymore. I've learned by now that people are very stubborn with their opinions, even if their opinions are based on stupidity.
cool, i ain't mad atcha. and i know that a lot of fans are really caught up in the moment of agassi's retirement and want to see him make one last run. fans get emotional. but i never take this board too seriously. and i certainly don't go around saying i hate people i don't even know personally. i got bigger fish to fry. hehe
 
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