It really depends on your racket, play style, typical tensions, how often do you usually restring. There’s no shortage of other strings (spiny polys) apart from Hyper G, Zero and Sync. I personally enjoy Hyper G/Hyper G round blend in 16 gauge pre-strung at 10% at 51lbs on my Yonex RDiS 100 Mid (16x20) the most at the moment.
yea i had some issues with slice flying long and also slice lob was tough to control as well with zero
which has more power do you think, Hyper G or restring zero ?
that's the thing about ultra snappy (aka next gen) polys... every time you don't swing fully and really fast there's a high chance of balls flying out. great for fast groundies but can be tricky for touch and feel game, slices, dropshots, soft volleying etc.
both are not powerful strings (with a muted feel to them) unless your racket provides extreme power and has no dampening at all. I found Hyper G (square mains and round crosses) to have better and more classic control but you have to pre-stretch these Solinco strings as tension maintenance is below average.
Yea, if you prestretch the hyper G though,, it will feel even more dead,, it already feels like dead string... to begin with...LOL. but i understand about the tension maintanance.. Restring Zero is much better in maintaining tension
I found zero to offer more of everything. But again….. can you handle it ? I can’t.
I haven’t tried round with regular hyper g hybrid yet because i don’t want to ruin its sweet feel.
What do you mean can you handle it ?? like arm pain ? i am going to try it some more and see if my arm pain is better or worse
That's true and there's a distinction between control thru muted/deadish and crispy feel (Hyper G) vs control thru extra snappy spin more lively but still deadish (Zero), could be called classic and modern. And I think @Blade_X refers to being able to control the ball efficiently enough with Zero. From that standpoint I couldn't handle Zero too.
agreed... control is so hard with zero though
Nope it’s very arm friendly no issues. I also found it to offer the most SnapBack among torolines and sync. You can say it has a muted feel but to me it played like no other string…. so different and unique feeling. I liked it. This string breathes quality and craftsmanship.
I used only 1.28 and unless it's you hybrid Zero with something else, it'll probably spray at times anyways... I found it was really difficult to play defense then you hit less that 110% full swing as fast as possible... high chance the string snaps back quicker than needed (even if pre-stretched) and pushes the ball long or wide.
For me Hyper G is more powerful, especially when hitting full. I found Zero has easy power when hitting slow but when swing out if doesn’t give me powerful ball, like it loops too much. Zero increases launch angle on every rackets and can be too launchy if you have flat swing path because the ball flies out, but if you play with enough topspin then every balls will loop in eventually even it launches high. Just need to make sure you don’t forget to put a bit of a topspin on every shots.
Some Torolines have a proper level of snapback for me definitely less than Zero.
Unfortunately, there are instances in tennis then you can't put some spin on the ball. Like from very defensive positions which happens rather more often on clay for me. That easy power from slow swings often pushes balls long and wide while with Hyper G they would stay in given same tensions.
It’s not arm friendly. That’s why the recommend tension is -2lbs than normal.
well i didn't know that. so i actually strung it 5 lbs above recommended tension. lol
Try some Torolines like Wasabi Pro, K-Pop or experimental blend of Toro Toro/Wasabi X, they are softer poly-poly options still with great snapback, spin and power.
yea i tried few of the lower priced polys and they are just not up to par with premium companies like Solinco, Luxilon and Babolat. and as for the Zero,,, i should have known better,,, what do you expect from Recycled material ? man it was playing with DEAD poly but now dead. LOL it pretty much almost made my wrist fall off
Zero strings are not recycled material made.
-2lbs than normal on zero and I would not be able to keep a single ball on court lol way too much power
Hybrid it with something for example Sync to tame that power
I wouldn't say so having dealt with strings for last 20-25 years. Obviously, Solinco, Lux and Babolat have great offerings. BTW, Head would be in the list of these "premium" companies if not on top of that list. I just love their Lynx polys: regular, Edge, Tour, Touch, Power. Head Hawk and its different versions are really good polys too.
The only "premium" option I could consider is natural gut w/ a poly cross. I've tried fullbed NG a while back and it wasn't for me as I missed the spin. But supposedly adding a poly cross really adds a bit of the spin back. Have you tried that? I wonder if it would last longer than Wasabi/X blend.
I tried natty gut as a cross and as a main couple times back when I lived in dry and cool California. I kind of couldn't really control the ball the way I do with full bed of poly then it was NG/poly hybrid. Poly/NG felt nice but not much different from Poly/Multi imo. Natty gut isn't really an option sadly for South Florida with its insane humidity and heat
I don't have a single customer or a teammate using NG down here.
what really surprised me with Zero was that it started hurting my wrist almost right away as i was hitting the ball,, but it didn't hurt all tthe time, just here and there.. and i had no idea it was the string that was causing the pain,,, so i kept on hitting and after 2 hour match, my pain was horrible...
not a fan of Zero here, it played okay as a cross with Sync. I used lower tension btw as someone was alarmed here this thing might be harsh. So I did 49lbs Sync mains and 51lbs Zero crosses. I also had the reversed blend which lost playability real quick, Zero in mains got all notched up and was kinda uncontrollable. So Sync/Zero played better but I still had some shots like "whoa how the hell this flying a mile long!", defensive shots were hard to execute as well. And even at 49/51lbs I could feel it's a stiffer blend not super comfy as beforementioned Wasabi Pro. I tried Sync and Zero in my Pro Staff 6.1s, I still have a couple sets to try in my current Yonex RDiS-es. Unsure if I'm going to, I have a few Torolines in the line ahead to test out.
assuming you're not trolling; why did you string 5# higher? Most of the reviews and advice here is to strings same or lower tension b/c it can be unforgiving on the joints. If you can't control the ball at that tension then it's not the string for you at least not in full bed.
That makes sense. Natural Gut is the only real premium string. I think all the other polys cost a dollar a set to produce; so what you're paying for "premium" is markup/marketting and possibly some Research/Development cost. But I agree w/ your sentiments that some strings do seem to have next gen technology.I tried natty gut as a cross and as a main couple times back when I lived in dry and cool California. I kind of couldn't really control the ball the way I do with full bed of poly then it was NG/poly hybrid. Poly/NG felt nice but not much different from Poly/Multi imo. Natty gut isn't really an option sadly for South Florida with its insane humidity and heat
That's why folks are calling Torolines and Restrings gen3 polys. The source materials, blending, bobbling and most importantly oil infusion are more advanced nowadays for sure.
i didn't know i was supposed to string it Low tensions. It was huring my wrist pretty bad Especially at 6 hour mark and beyond. That only means one thing, as this poly goes dead,, it is even Worse on my arm. so i will be throwing them out in the trash can
Obviously cut out the current stringjob. If you have more packs, I would just set them aside rather than trash it. Once your wrist is better, maybe try it with a lower tension. It's not for everyone but it's similar to 4G where it can be a great string or feel really stiff depending on how you string it. I'm okay w/ strings 39-44# now whereas I used to string Multis at 52 and Poly at 48-50#. What's your usual setup?
just my preference to be honest, i used to like the same tension for both, but recently - 8 months i just prefer the 4lbs difference@finalfantasy7 , why do you use 4lbs lower on your crosses? I tried Zero/Sync and Sync/Zero hybrids in my Pro Staffs 6.1. Zero in 1.28mm and Sync in 1.25mm at 51-53lbs. I liked Sync mains with Zero crosses much better. If you really like Sync, it kinda makes more sense to use it as a main string. Also try stringing Zero in crosses at same or 2-3lbs higher. Thank me later
I noticed that modern poly blends and even full bed of poly (strung in two pieces) are done with same tensions or tighter crosses. This theoretically makes sense since mains are becoming tighter with the weaving and tensioning on the crosses, kind of balance the two a little bit? Torolines even recommend cross strings of their poly blends to be 2-3lbs tighter.
i will try that
I wouldn't call Wasabi X stiff but there's Enso Pro from Toroline which is softer and somewhat more muted. Also Solinco should release Hyper G Round Soft soon.
What the tension you strung it at and on what racket?
Pure drive 54 lbs
Fabio Fognini, is this you!?
BX - what Toroline setup do you like? Asking because my stick is a Blade Pro v8 moded to 330 SW. With a good fullbed of Multi the volley feel is off the charts (65 yo mostly Dubs). But looking for more groundie "connectedness" to hang with the young lions in singles.I kinda agree in the current state of hype in new strings. That’s why i tested all of them. Torolines,restring,tour hex and Grapplesnake offerings. Restring zero was pretty meh. Tour hex low powered. Grapplesnakes are good but nothing wowed me. I really wanted to hate those torolines because of the YouTube non stop hype….. but turned out to be awesome (at least for me)
What multi are you using ?
Agree with @Blade_X that Torolines are more than just a hype, enjoying my Wasabi Pro and Super Toro/Was X blends a lot lately! And there's a bunch of polys and poly blends to choose from. However since you play with full bed of multi going directly to full poly might be a little harsh (even tho say Wasabi or Snapper are really comfy soft polys). Have you considered either multi-poly or poly-multi hybrid or strings like Technifibre Triax or Luxilon M2 (if you can find it) or Element, all 3 being multis but made of thousands of poly fibers?
