Discussion in 'Racquets' started by vsbabolat, Jan 17, 2012.
I see...but will dropping the tension give me any extra spin?
the best specs for me...
should be really different weight distribution between retail Prestige and PT57A.. I hope that PT630 is closer to PT57A in this matter
lower tension - what string gauge you use?
no, tension has noting to do with spin , it might give u a sense of more spin cause u have to force more spin by your hand otherwise the balls will fall long
It may give him what he means when he says "spin"
Played with the Mid for an hour today. Poly/syngut @ 50/52. Didn't make me want to ditch the MP right away like I thought it was going to. The Mid is muted...man, is it muted. I might even play without a dampener tomorrow. Didn't like it as much on serves as the MP. Groundstrokes didn't have as much pop, but I got into a couple bh slice exchanges, and I felt like I could carve my initials into the ball. Might add a little lead like dr325i suggested. Like the pj on the hoop, but those white CAPs have to go.
After hitting some more, took a bit of lead off and moved it lower for quicker setup, so now 4 grams a bit above 3 and 9, with 2 grams remaining on the throat.
Been working on driving the ball deeper on my forehand with a more eastern grip (a la Fed) and after a few days with MP my forehands are getting to be pretty devastating. Anything I have time to full prep on just gets crushed. Not very loopy, but deep and hard, with very few misses so long as I keep the arm relaxed.
All other aspects of my game are solid with MP as well - bh, serve, defense, volleys. I liked the Mid's more swift feel, but MP is giving me more margin and versatility, I'm switching.
Quick question: can cap grommets fit any Head racket? I was thinking of buying the IG Speed, but wanted the look and weight of a cap grommet. Could I buy just the grommets and attach them?
Certain grommets go with certain models. Obviously the string pattern is a big deal here. If they have different string patterns, then the answer is no. Otherwise, you'd need to compare (using pictures) and find someone that has tried it or has it working.
No. They're different hoop sizes for a start - Speed 100sq" / Prestige MP 98sq"
After playing with the IGs for over a month, my feeling is that they are far more stable and easier on the arm. I added a lot of lead at 3/9 on the YTs to get that stability but I don't need it there on the IGs. The only problem on the IGs now is the high SW. I play fine with it except on the serve. I can't get enough RHS with that SW compared to the YT. I can't get as much spin on groundstrokes either but the plowthrough makes up for that.
Ideally, I could remove enough lead to get the IGs down to the YTs. This would also drop the static weight down below that of the YTs which might be beneficial too. I'd need to bring it to a good shop to do all of the work.
I'm thinking of going back to the YTs for now until I can schedule some time to travel to a place in MA that has an RDC machine that can do the work.
Does anyone know if there is a non cap grommet that will fit the IG Prestige Pro? I want to remove the caps and use a regular grommet set and add weight back at 12 o'clock with lead instead of the caps adding weight/swingweight around the entire hoop of the frame.
This probably has to answered by VSbabolat.
But there was one guy who 'decapped' cut the caps on both sides only leaving the top bumper and grommets, looks really really bad on a prestige, someone might find the pic and post it up.
Caps is what makes the prestige, a prestige. (i mean black caps, not white)
Ok - I take back my initial thoughts about groundstrokes not having as much pop as the MP. I've played with it more over the past few days, and I'm getting some serious heat off both sides. I think I'm switching to the Mid. Slice and volleys are just too sick compared to the MP.
The feel is soooo much better on the IG Prestige Mid. It feels like what a real HEAD racquet should feel like. The MP is not there.
Well since TW EU no longer carries Youtek pallets (WTF?) I went to **** yesterday and got their Wilson style pallets installed. I got regular 3 size ( 4 3/8 ) but they had half sizes as well, so you can get 2.5 or 3.5, which is awesome.
I like the buttcap more flared so I double wrapped the leather grip at the bottom to make it more prominent.
Hit with it today and love the result, home sweet home.
Yep...maybe they'll be able to extrapolate the secret sauce on to the MP for the next iteration.
But MP is still a sweet ride in it's own.
We say this with every release, I think. Like Brooklyn Decker, it's the impossible dream.
Went back to the YT today for a match. I play a lot better with the YT but it twangs my arm a little.
I don't think it is. HEAD finally made something close to the Prestige Classic in the IG Prestige Mid. They could have just as easily made the MP close to the Pro tour 630.:cry: If they had I would have switched to the MP.
Guess you're right, I just don't want to get my hopes up. VsBab, you still rockin' and rollin' with the Mid? Your main stick? I ended up getting an MP but it's taken a backseat in the bag of late.
Thanks, I'll have to look for it, just looking to make weight reductions to get the static weight down but to increase the swingweight to 350+ without clearing 13 ounces total. Very tough to do with the Prestige Pro as it stands now.
Has anyone tried BHB7 in the MP yet? Strung it at 55lbs and played today, just did not feel good at all...
Can someone compare youtek, and youtek ig with flexpoint version of prestige ?
I have flexpoint prestige mp and look to finally replace them.
I search thru this thread but could find any comparison.
I like flexpoint version but don't like it's feel but got used to it and even has
acquired taste of it but I know I didn't like it, ha ha ha.
But I do feel like I'm more connected to the shot....
Just got the IG Prestige MP. Put black CAPs on it. The looks are nice. I like the touch of orange but dont like the silver letters and milky grommets... meh.
Pretty much what everyone is saying. Serves better than the YTPMP and is a bit more buttery on the arm. Solider groundies and volleys too. Different flex is taking a bit of getting used to on slice BH and touch shots which are floating up right now.
Pretty much better than the YTPMP in every way except with less feedback for crazy touch shots at the net. Ive played with it for 45 minutes... that stuff will come, already figured out how to make slices stay low again but old habits take time to adjust. I can see how this IG will be better for those of us who like full poly.
I added a Becker leather grip and much lead to the handle with a little at 3,9. more at 10 and 2 and a tiny amount at 12. The IG works for dampening so Ill skip silicone this time I think. The serving is a major upgrade... less feedback also = less shock which translates to a more punishing service motion for me.
Gave the igprmp a try recently n it was really fun however, I was thinking of adding some lead to it.
On a lot of e pics of e pro's sticks I found that most of not all have lead all along e top of e head but none ard e 3 & 9.
What is e best way to kead up a prest mp 12 or 3&9?
All of the Prestige Pro Stocks that I have (9 of them) except for two (because I haven't checked) definitely have two to three layers of lead tape from 10:00 to 2:00. They came that way. On the YT Prestiges that I currently use, I added 10 inches at 3/9 and I'm very happy with that setup. I find that I need the additional lead tape for more power, stability and to increase the sweetspot.
On the IG Prestiges, I find that I don't need any lead at 3/9. The sweetspot is bigger without it and the racquet is stable without it. Basically the IG Prestige is perfect for a polarized setup which means that you can get the biggest swingweight bang for the lowest static weight.
You can certainly add lead tape at 3/9 but I think that adding it at 12 is far more efficient.
Excellent I'll do just that 12 it is.
In stock form what's e tension your would advice for say Msv or tour bite 16L as I'll like to play it stock b4 modding up. Currently playing ard 52-50 but find it boardy.
Many thx movdqa!
I only had one strung with Head RIP Control 17 - I'd guess that it was strung around 58 and it was moderately lively.
I agree with movdqa, lead tape @12 works very well on the IGPMPs. I have initially added 4g @ 3&9 and 2g @12, but decided to bump the weight up a little bit more @ 12, so now it has 3g there.
I added some @ 3&9 too just to keep the original feel and not make it too polarized or depolarized.
I know that some people don't like the polarized feel but it is nice for efficiency and it adds to dynamic flex which may be good for those that have had arm pain in the past.
Well I'm all for flex and comfort lol!
Think I'll go for 3 grams first an see how that works out.
Thanks again guys.
vsbabolat, Just wanted to say thanks for the great thread, I learned a lot.
I just barley switched to the IG Prestige Pro 2 weeks ago, best decision I've ever made, can't get enough of this frame.
I tried a extreme polarized setup in a 4D300Tour, but it was more than 2 years ago. I think I'll try it again with the IGPMP, adding 5g @ 12 and none @3&9. But I'll wait until I get my next Prestiges, since all of my lead is placed under the CAP grommets and I just changed them, so I'm not in the mood of taking them off again.
That's great that you found it helpful. Enjoy your new sticks!
I too am finding that the IGPMP needs lead at 12 to get full effect (lots of lead at the end of the handle too). Now Im getting more sting on second serves. I gotta say this thing is a beast for flat first serves, Mine must be averaging an extra 5 MPH. Ive added 5 stringsavers near the top too, seems to improve my second serves with more ridiculous spin.
It is still taking a bit of getting used to the flexier and more dampened feel but I gotta say my arm loves it! Id say my IG with a full poly stringjob is nearly as arm friendly as the YTPMP with a poly/gut hybrid. That is impressive!
Head gets a lot of guff for introducing ridiculous tech for marketing purposes but I do feel the 3d0 abd Innegra seem to work in the IGPMP. It is subtle but I think their R&D for the prestige line is pretty good. So far the only things the previous MP was better at were twist second serves and super touch net trick shots.
IG is better at:
1st serves (flat and topspin)
returns... they simply feel more solid... both BH and FH
forehands feel solider
Backhands are mostly better but I chock that up to still being in the minor customization phase and the different flex takes getting used to.
Volleys are remarkably punchy. Not quite Max 200G level of volley punch but good for a midplus with a full poly string job.
Definitely buttery-er and id say more arm friendly overall.
Taking it out for doubles tomorrow.
add me 2 ig prestige mp,
50lbs kirschbaum pro line evo 17
56lbs babo excel 16
the MP felt so good in my hands when i picked it up, its very maneuverable, the weight and feel was one of the reasons i choose it over the Prestige pro, im a 3.0, i bought the prestige so it would force me to hit the ball with proper technique and when i did the power was there
hit with the poly felt a little like plastic, i did get tons of pop and spin
gonna hit with the exel today !
OK, am I crazy or do the new IG grommets feel different from the old YouTek/Microgel black grommets?!? I had to replace the CAPs on one of my IG Prestige Mids when a framed return caused the grommet to shear off. At the time, the IG CAPs were sold out, so I just replaced it with a YouTek/Microgel version. I'm feeling like the IG CAPs are softer, while the black YT/MG ones are crisper feeling. I also feel like the YT/MG might be a tad lighter.
Anyone else experienced this?
Im using the Black MG CAP grommets (beacuse I like their look better) so I wouldn't know but the IG is so much more muted than the YoutekPMP that it might seem like they are softer. The IG is just a much softer racket than the previous version so that any change in the grommets is probably not very noticeable.
The clear caps on the new RP seem softer and gummier than the old yt prestige, which seem more plastic.
I can't see that this would change the racquet's feel compared to the addition of the ig.
I agree that the IG frames feel much softer—that's exactly why I love them (feels very much like my Trek font Prestiges.) I didn't think the grommets could alter the feel that much, but I have one IG Prestige Mid with the factory white grommet, while I have the MG grommet on my other IGPM. They feel totally different. No idea why this would be so.
Next time I change grommets on my TGK's I'm going to test out the clear caps to see the difference for myself. Thanks for the heads up everyone!
I'm curious of the weight is the same on the grommets. I will order both the next time I need them and put them on my kitchen scale. My feeling is that they are a little different - this from trying to peek under them by lifting one side.
On appearance: I prefer the black ones.
I have had both the Clear and the Black CAP Grommets in the Mid and MP. The racquets have the same feel for me. I would think as far as weight the Clear would be lighter they seem thinner.
just saw your sig! You changed racquets again? no more babolats? sorry for deviating away from the thread but it looks like you play with head now (me too)
or is it the bio 200 (I'm thinking of going back to the 200 and try out the 200 plus)
I thought the Clear would be lighter as well. They certainly seem less durable—mine sheared away when I framed a ball on a return of a serve. Granted, it was a huge serve, but I've never ever cracked any Prestige grommets this way, going all the way back to the TXP. That said, my IG Prestige Mid with the Clear CAP definitely has slightly head-heavier balance than the one I repaced with Black CAPs. Perhaps it's a QC issue? I've also noticed that while both sticks are 4 3/8, one grip is very slightly larger than the other.
my grips seem larger as well, thinking of changing the grips to, **** synthetic leather grip , seems to be the thinnest out there !
QC on Prestige of last 5 years or so went down pretty badly.
For me, it's the irregular grip sizes. I have 2 Prestiges, both 3/8, but their
grip sizes very different.
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