RF's Uniqlo kits

Mischko

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Yes, I get that, but you shouted wrong - in capital letters - at a phrase that seemed fairly reasonable to me, but since I had less experience I asked what was so wrong. Of Novak's stuff I have some Lacoste hoodies and polos, and those all seem exactly what Novak wears, high quality, and I like that the fit is very slim, it fits me well. However, ultra conspicuous Lacoste branding is going much more against my nervous system than I thought it would, so I'll probably never buy anything of theirs again..
 
you’re WRONG. Novak wore the exact Uniqlo retail version on his foundation website at the 2015 US Open. He did the same thing at the 2015 Wimbledon. How do I know this? I was there and had the exact same shirts.
You are confusing "retail" with "original personal stock" that might have been offered as part of his charity effort. Even without that you didn't get what I wrote: I didn't wrote that every athlete has worn stuff that is different from retail in every single instance, but that it has always been the usual practice to have the retail differentiate from the personal items of the athletes. Even if you find exceptions, that has been the case ever since the industry started having the ability to customise stuff without too many problems.

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If you had bothered to read the original post I made a specific reference to Nike RF short from 2012
I quoted your post in full, so no. Your "references" don't carry one another from post to post, and even if they did, your statement that you own "a lot of Nike shorts" crossed with the reference of the RF 2012 shorts would still not be true, since they all have to be the same shorts with the same materials to be true (and that is not true even for the RF shorts from different generations, let alone other Nike shorts). That is not what your words that I quoted mean: you allowed yourself to reference various Nike shorts. Oh, and, BTW, most people on here wouldn't have experience with the Nike RF shorts, contrary to your suggestion, just like most people won't have experience with 100 USD Nadal tank tops etc.

No, because not all Nike shorts I own are RF shorts.
Thank you for confirming my words above.

Why don't you enlighten us all then? Give us some of this factual substance you love so much.
Sure. Toray are one of the oldest producers of artificial fibres and plastics in the world, direct competition of DuPont, and the creator of ground breaking fabrics, materials and fibres, such as the Dermizax Entrant membrane, used in the absolute highest level of protective clothing in severe climates, the Alcantara "leather" and so on it is the largest producer of Carbon Fiber in the world (fat chance that Nike buys their CF for their products from them and Boeing certainly does for their Dreamliner), it is the largest Japanese producer of synthetic fibre and producer of highly technical fibres. They literally produce everything they are tasked with, including under license, Kevlar, Lycra, you name it they do it.

Oh so suddenly it's up to you to decide the definition of "lighter" is it? Hilarious...especially considering I have worn the shorts in play and have felt them. You seem to go against everything I have said about them without being able to prove otherwise and not having shown any evidence you own the shorts you speak about.
The definition of "lighter" past the obvious physical measurements of weight, has always referred to the "feeling" of them being such, rather than their actual weight, not least because of their ability to provide ventilation and keep sweat away. It is not "my" definition, it is more or less universally agreed upon definition.

To your reaction about what I have/know: funny, I never mentioned which shorts I own. However, from the ones I own from Uniqlo I can DEFINITELY say that you have been waxing poetic about your "knowledge". I own both shorts from the Federer Uniqlo outfits from RG 19 and Wimbledon 19, and know for a fact that they actually "do their job", contrary to your statements above, and confirmed multiple times over the years also by other people that wore them, including my own experience. Funnily enough, I also used to own the RF 12 shorts from his Australian Open campaign: the ones with the mesh inside the leg: those degraded in no time after wearing them for a couple of years, and their ventilation was no better than my Uniqlo RG shorts. They absolutely needed the mesh, otherwise felt like plastic bags, unlike the Uniqlo shorts where you can actually feel the air going through the material.

I told you that you shouldn't bother further.

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bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
You are confusing "retail" with "original personal stock" that might have been offered as part of his charity effort. Even without that you didn't get what I wrote: I didn't wrote that every athlete has worn stuff that is different from retail in every single instance, but that it has always been the usual practice to have the retail differentiate from the personal items of the athletes. Even if you find exceptions, that has been the case ever since the industry started having the ability to customise stuff without too many problems.

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This is what you wrote: "No one in his right mind expects that the stuff made for a single high profile athlete is the same as the stuff designed to fit millions and millions of people".

Well, they did that with Djokovic when he was under the Uniqlo sponsorship. The only difference between the one sold from Uniqlo website and Novak's foundation is the "Peugeot" on the sleeve. Other than that, everything is exactly the same, and Novak wore the same shirts that were sold in retail.
 
This is what you wrote: "No one in his right mind expects that the stuff made for a single high profile athlete is the same as the stuff designed to fit millions and millions of people".

Well, they did that with Djokovic when he was under the Uniqlo sponsorship. The only difference between the one sold from Uniqlo website and Novak's foundation is the "Peugeot" on the sleeve. Other than that, everything is exactly the same, and Novak wore the same shirts that were sold in retail.
No they didn't "do that" as what was offered through Novak's charity was never intended to reach massive numbers, and as I said, was basically slightly increased personal stock, probably part of his deal with Uniqlo designed to support that charity through limited number of special items. It certainly was not the same thing as what was sold in the Uniqlo shops, be it for patches, tailoring, or something else. You may claim that it is only this or that, but fact is that there were differences. So much so that you have posted multiple times items with claims about their authenticity here on this site.

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bobleenov1963

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No they didn't "do that" as what was offered through Novak's charity was never intended to reach massive numbers, and as I said, was basically slightly increased personal stock, probably part of his deal with Uniqlo designed to support that charity through limited number of special items. It certainly was not the same thing as what was sold in the Uniqlo shops, be it for patches, tailoring, or something else. You may claim that it is only this or that, but fact is that there were differences. So much so that you have posted multiple times items with claims about their authenticity here on this site.

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Yes, Uniqlo did and I can prove this, and I am a big Novak's fan on Uniqlo. This is the specific shirt I am referring to:





I purchased Uniqlo 2016 Olympic shirt (with the flag and logo) from Uniqlo website in August 2016. In December, I purchased the 2016 Olympic shirt on Novak foundation website and they are both IDENTICAL. You're just wrong on this.
 
Yes, Uniqlo did and I can prove this, and I am a big Novak's fan on Uniqlo. This is the specific shirt I am referring to:





I purchased Uniqlo 2016 Olympic shirt (with the flag and logo) from Uniqlo website in August 2016. In December, I purchased the 2016 Olympic shirt on Novak foundation website and they are both IDENTICAL. You're just wrong on this.
I have been reading about ND Uniqlo stuff from quite some time, including from some very knowledgeable posters, and they indicate that, while his personal items might have had similarities with the retail items, they also oftentimes differed from them. In fact, you said it yourself that, for example, the sponsors patches were missing from all items but the ones sold through his foundation. I don't see what is unclear here, since you confirm it yourself (and have been instrumental in confirming this with your various posts about the matter pertaining to the originality of the items you posted here).

Either you post those differences and understand that they make these items different, or you argue that it is the same stuff. Cannot have it both ways.

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bobleenov1963

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I have been reading about ND Uniqlo stuff from quite some time, including from some very knowledgeable posters, and they indicate that, while his personal items might have had similarities with the retail items, they also oftentimes differed from them. In fact, you said it yourself that, for example, the sponsors patches were missing from all items but the ones sold through his foundation. I don't see what is unclear here, since you confirm it yourself (and have been instrumental in confirming this with your various posts about the matter pertaining to the originality of the items you posted here).

Either you post those differences and understand that they make these items different, or you argue that it is the same stuff. Cannot have it both ways.

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I am NO expert on Uniqlo but I have BOTH Uniqlo items that I purchased from Uniqlo website and Novak's foundation website. I have been a Uniqlo customer since 2013, and I only go with what I am seeing so far.

Uniqlo website does NOT sell Novak shirt with "Peugeot" logo nor should they. It is like "free" promotion for Peugeot. Novak foundation sells the exact shirt as Uniqlo website but with the "Peugeot" logo. I have both shirts. I put them both side and by side and they look EXACTLY the same minus the "Peugeot" logo from Uniqlo website. Novak wears the retail version with the Peugeot logo because I saw it myself at the 2015 USO in person. I was like 2 feet away from Novak on his way to the court.

Do you have something like that to compare and constrast?
 
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I am NO expert on Uniqlo but I have BOTH Uniqlo items that I purchased from Uniqlo website and Novak's foundation website. I have been a Uniqlo customer since 2013, and I only go with what I am seeing so far.

Uniqlo website does NOT sell Novak shirt with "Peugeot" logo nor should they. It is like "free" promotion for Peugeot. Novak foundation sells the exact shirt as Uniqlo website but with the "Peugeot" logo. I have both shirts. I put them both side and by side and they look EXACTLY the same minus the "Peugeot" logo from Uniqlo website. Novak wears the retail version with the Peugeot logo because I saw it myself at the 2015 USO in person. I was like 2 feet away from Novak on his way to the court.

Do you have something like that to compare and constrast?
I don't understand what you want. You literally say that they are not the same thing be it even for the sponsors logos. I also have been reading for a lot of items from ND that haven't even been available to the public, like for example his green training shirt with the graphic crocodile, which was available in other colours in the retail version, but not in green. Same thing was with Uniqlo, where the user No1e posted such a training shirt that wasn't released to the public, along with many training jackets that were also unavailable or of very limited release. There are many examples like that. I personally bought a sample for his Lacoste collection that didn't make the final cut. It was this shirt, but in neon yellow:



and so on and so on. You may have examples of shirts being identical, that doesn't make them the same, nor precludes from Uniqlo producing special items for Djokovic himself (which was the main point here).

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bobleenov1963

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I don't understand what you want. You literally say that they are not the same thing be it even for the sponsors logos. I also have been reading for a lot of items from ND that haven't even been available to the public, like for example his green training shirt with the graphic crocodile, which was available in other colours in the retail version, but not in green. Same thing was with Uniqlo, where the user No1e posted such a training shirt that wasn't released to the public, along with many training jackets that were also unavailable or of very limited release. There are many examples like that. I personally bought a sample for his Lacoste collection that didn't make the final cut. It was this shirt, but in neon yellow:



and so on and so on. You may have examples of shirts being identical, that doesn't make them the same, nor precludes from Uniqlo producing special items for Djokovic himself (which was the main point here).

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We're talking Uniqlo not Lacoste. You claimed that Uniqlo have different version for retail and for the player. I just proved to you that is NOT the case with Novak Uniqlo. Your statement "You may have examples of shirts being identical, that doesn't make them the same" is ridiculous on its face. The two shirts look identical and the same and worn by Novak at 2015 USO and also 2016 Olympic. It is funny that you don't have the shirts like I have to compare them side by side to disprove my theory.

When you're wrong, just admit you're wrong and move on.
 
We're talking Uniqlo not Lacoste. You claimed that Uniqlo have different version for retail and for the player. I just proved to you that is NOT the case with Novak Uniqlo. Your statement "You may have examples of shirts being identical, that doesn't make them the same" is ridiculous on its face. The two shirts look identical and the same and worn by Novak at 2015 USO and also 2016 Olympic. It is funny that you don't have the shirts like I have to compare them side by side to disprove my theory.

When you're wrong, just admit you're wrong and move on.
I have included Lacoste to show what I was talking about: that it is an overarching trend, not something unique to Uniqlo. Everyone does it, and it is ubiquitous. Uniqlo is no exception, I already gave you examples which curiously you chose to ignore (I can see how ignoring them could allow you to say that you are right, but in reality ignoring them doesn't help your case). You claim that "identical" equals "the same". I beg to differ. It is not "ridiculous on its face", it goes to the core of the matter which is that the athletes have needs that are addressed by customisations that do not transfer to the general public, so much so that people :unsure: have posted about amending Uniqlo items to look like the original. I don't need to have two such shirts to make the comparison, if that is the last resort of your argumentation, for the lack of a better argument. BTW, just so that you know, unless one of your shirts comes from Djokovic's personal stock, you are also not qualified to simply say that what he wears is the same. Uniqlo could just as easily produce the same shirt as retail, add to it patches of his sponsors and provide it to his foundation to sell for charity. That doesn't make it his personal shirt as you seem to think.

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bobleenov1963

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I have included Lacoste to show what I was talking about: that it is an overarching trend, not something unique to Uniqlo. Everyone does it, and it is ubiquitous. Uniqlo is no exception, I already gave you examples which curiously you chose to ignore (I can see how ignoring them could allow you to say that you are right, but in reality ignoring them doesn't help your case). You claim that "identical" equals "the same". I beg to differ. It is not "ridiculous on its face", it goes to the core of the matter which is that the athletes have needs that are addressed by customisations that do not transfer to the general public, so much so that people :unsure: have posted about amending Uniqlo items to look like the original. I don't need to have two such shirts to make the comparison, if that is the last resort of your argumentation, for the lack of a better argument. BTW, just so that you know, unless one of your shirts comes from Djokovic's personal stock, you are also not qualified to simply say that what he wears is the same. Uniqlo could just as easily produce the same shirt as retail, add to it patches of his sponsors and provide it to his foundation to sell for charity. That doesn't make it his personal shirt as you seem to think.

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It is time to put up or shut up. You can see it here. The one with the Peugeot (novak foundation website) is EXACTLY the same as the one without the Peugeot logo (uniqlo website). Both shirts are exactly the same. The one with Peugeot was worn by Novak at GS tournaments.


 
It is time to put up or shut up. You can see it here. The one with the Peugeot (novak foundation website) is EXACTLY the same as the one without the Peugeot logo (uniqlo website). Both shirts are exactly the same. The one with Peugeot was worn by Novak at GS tournaments.


No, it wasn't. Or did they attach the label to it after he "wore it in GS tournaments"?

BTW, I see one obvious difference between the two, so I guess you still insist that "identical" and "the same" are interchangeable. Anyway, after making several times different points and you refusing to acknowledge them it is time to move on. At least for me.

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bobleenov1963

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No, it wasn't. Or did they attach the label to it after he "wore it in GS tournaments"?

BTW, I see one obvious difference between the two, so I guess you still insist that "identical" and "the same" are interchangeable. Anyway, after making several times different points and you refusing to acknowledge them it is time to move on. At least for me.

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would you mind point out the the obvious difference other than the "Peugeot"? The fabric and everything, is the same when both shirts are in front of me.
 
would you mind point out the the obvious difference other than the "Peugeot"? The fabric and everything, is the same when both shirts are in front of me.
Why would I exclude the difference I am talking about? Isn't that part of the customisation process?

BTW, I see that you ignored that:

BTW, just so that you know, unless one of your shirts comes from Djokovic's personal stock, you are also not qualified to simply say that what he wears is the same. Uniqlo could just as easily produce the same shirt as retail, add to it patches of his sponsors and provide it to his foundation to sell for charity. That doesn't make it his personal shirt as you seem to think.
just like you ignored basically every point that I made on the subject, so, I will move on as I suggested. I have no interest in having my posts ignored.

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bobleenov1963

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Why would I exclude the difference I am talking about? Isn't that part of the customisation process?

BTW, I see that you ignored that:



just like you ignored basically every point that I made on the subject, so, I will move on as I suggested. I have no interest in having my posts ignored.

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It is because you're making outrageous claims without having merchandises to back them up. As Forrest Gump once said "stupid is stupid does". Time to move on.
 
It is because you're making outrageous claims without having merchandises to back them up. As Forrest Gump once said "stupid is stupid does". Time to move on.
Do you know what is worse: to have the "merchandise", to not know what you have, to make faulty conclusions based on that lack of knowledge, and then to parade with the material ownership of something you don't know what it is. That is all there is to your "understanding": holding some rags. Looking forward to you continuing to do the same as that is the only thing you have been doing here regarding Uniqlo. For years.

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bobleenov1963

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Do you know what is worse: to have the "merchandise", to not know what you have, to make faulty conclusions based on that lack of knowledge, and then to parade with the material ownership of something you don't know what it is. That is all there is to your "understanding": holding some rags. Looking forward to you continuing to do the same as that is the only thing you have been doing here regarding Uniqlo. For years.

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At least I have the materials to compare side by side and make an accurate decision whereas you have nothing and just make sh_t up. Like I said: stupid does stupid is. Move on.
 

N01E

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You seem to be quite knowledgeable about the company. I remember your remarks about some hoodies that turned out to be fakes: that they wouldn't use some models to display their stuff due to the ethos of the company. Do you know why they choose not to produce the rest of Fed's stuff for the consumer? Especially jackets, but also other stuff like his on court bags. Also, whether they intend to use the RF logo at least for some things from his line. Until now it was understandable that they didn't as the logo rights were disputed, but now that that matter is settled, they probably can. Not that I want it on my things, but it is interesting to get a clarification why they did it with Djokovic, but seem to be reluctant to use it with Federer.

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They really don't care about tennis market, at least nowhere near as much as their casual and lifestyle lines. They did sell jackets with Novak and Kei (Nishikori even got one release for USO'18 after they already signed Roger) and bags with logos as well. Those were actually pretty inexpensive and stayed at like 50% off on site for weeks (around 20 EUR, but I'm not entirely sure). Some of RF bags are also being sold, but without the logo, just like the practice shirt. That's because they don't want to be tennis specific (or even sports) brand and want to get as many people as possible (tennis fans included) to become their regular customers for everyday clothing. Someone even made a tutorial on how to remove their logo from Nishikori shorts back in 2017. That's because most people aren't really into branding, but just want activewear they can run or train in. With Djokovic they were in a bit different phase, kind of testing the waters and pushing logos much further. The ND logo was practically created for his Uniqlo line. Uniqlo makes Federer use more and more logo-less stuff and wants him wear their clothing rather than make special clothing for him. They released the RF cap, as it's far more common (and "acceptable") for those to have a text or a logo. Doesn't mean that they won't release jackets or put RF logo on clothing in the future, possibly multiple items at the same time. Even adding logo and selling older items with it is not out of the question.
I don't understand what you want. You literally say that they are not the same thing be it even for the sponsors logos. I also have been reading for a lot of items from ND that haven't even been available to the public, like for example his green training shirt with the graphic crocodile, which was available in other colours in the retail version, but not in green. Same thing was with Uniqlo, where the user No1e posted such a training shirt that wasn't released to the public, along with many training jackets that were also unavailable or of very limited release. There are many examples like that. I personally bought a sample for his Lacoste collection that didn't make the final cut. It was this shirt, but in neon yellow:



and so on and so on. You may have examples of shirts being identical, that doesn't make them the same, nor precludes from Uniqlo producing special items for Djokovic himself (which was the main point here).

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It got released though. Green crocodile shirt as well, but only in Japan (and in far smaller quantity than any uniqlo tennis retail item for example).

Also the only difference between uniqlo dry-ex practice shirts that Roger and Kei wear (and Novak in the past) are the added red logos. You can even see small silver squares on the back. Basically retail product with logos slapped on them.
It is time to put up or shut up. You can see it here. The one with the Peugeot (novak foundation website) is EXACTLY the same as the one without the Peugeot logo (uniqlo website). Both shirts are exactly the same. The one with Peugeot was worn by Novak at GS tournaments.


All of the Djokovic Foundation items are just retail versions with the Peugot logo, it's as simple as that. That's also the only model Djokovic wore with and without it. You wouldn't call shirts different just because of one print. It's quite common in football to let consumers chose which sponsors logos they want and it's just considered a variation of the same product. That being said they aren't "an extension" of his PE gear and the logo is just a bonus for that distribution.
The biggest difference in the entire ND uniqlo line between Novak's personal and retail shirts were the extra ventilation holes in AO16 polo:

That's only one shirt type in 5 years, so I think it's acceptable. Even shorts were pretty much spot on. Here's a comparison between PE (left) and retail (right) AO17 versions. I'm not sure who the blue ones were specifically made for (no size tag, but they fit like M), but all of the fabric is exactly the same (including mesh). The only difference is the waistband and stiching on it. I had some photos of Nishikori personal shorts and they were also like that. Only Roger got different fabric, so it's all personal preferences.
 

bobleenov1963

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All of the Djokovic Foundation items are just retail versions with the Peugot logo, it's as simple as that. That's also the only model Djokovic wore with and without it. You wouldn't call shirts different just because of one print. It's quite common in football to let consumers chose which sponsors logos they want and it's just considered a variation of the same product. That being said they aren't "an extension" of his PE gear and the logo is just a bonus for that distribution.
@N01E: Thank you for confirming that for me that the only difference between the Djokovic between Uniqlo website and Novak foundation is the exact same shirt and Novak wore those shirts.
 
I am NO expert on Uniqlo but I have BOTH Uniqlo items that I purchased from Uniqlo website and Novak's foundation website. I have been a Uniqlo customer since 2013, and I only go with what I am seeing so far.

Uniqlo website does NOT sell Novak shirt with "Peugeot" logo nor should they. It is like "free" promotion for Peugeot. Novak foundation sells the exact shirt as Uniqlo website but with the "Peugeot" logo. I have both shirts. I put them both side and by side and they look EXACTLY the same minus the "Peugeot" logo from Uniqlo website. Novak wears the retail version with the Peugeot logo because I saw it myself at the 2015 USO in person. I was like 2 feet away from Novak on his way to the court.

Do you have something like that to compare and constrast?
They really don't care about tennis market, at least nowhere near as much as their casual and lifestyle lines. They did sell jackets with Novak and Kei (Nishikori even got one release for USO'18 after they already signed Roger) and bags with logos as well. Those were actually pretty inexpensive and stayed at like 50% off on site for weeks (around 20 EUR, but I'm not entirely sure). Some of RF bags are also being sold, but without the logo, just like the practice shirt. That's because they don't want to be tennis specific (or even sports) brand and want to get as many people as possible (tennis fans included) to become their regular customers for everyday clothing. Someone even made a tutorial on how to remove their logo from Nishikori shorts back in 2017. That's because most people aren't really into branding, but just want activewear they can run or train in. With Djokovic they were in a bit different phase, kind of testing the waters and pushing logos much further. The ND logo was practically created for his Uniqlo line. Uniqlo makes Federer use more and more logo-less stuff and wants him wear their clothing rather than make special clothing for him. They released the RF cap, as it's far more common (and "acceptable") for those to have a text or a logo. Doesn't mean that they won't release jackets or put RF logo on clothing in the future, possibly multiple items at the same time. Even adding logo and selling older items with it is not out of the question.

It got released though. Green crocodile shirt as well, but only in Japan (and in far smaller quantity than any uniqlo tennis retail item for example).

Also the only difference between uniqlo dry-ex practice shirts that Roger and Kei wear (and Novak in the past) are the added red logos. You can even see small silver squares on the back. Basically retail product with logos slapped on them.

All of the Djokovic Foundation items are just retail versions with the Peugot logo, it's as simple as that. That's also the only model Djokovic wore with and without it. You wouldn't call shirts different just because of one print. It's quite common in football to let consumers chose which sponsors logos they want and it's just considered a variation of the same product. That being said they aren't "an extension" of his PE gear and the logo is just a bonus for that distribution.
The biggest difference in the entire ND uniqlo line between Novak's personal and retail shirts were the extra ventilation holes in AO16 polo:

That's only one shirt type in 5 years, so I think it's acceptable. Even shorts were pretty much spot on. Here's a comparison between PE (left) and retail (right) AO17 versions. I'm not sure who the blue ones were specifically made for (no size tag, but they fit like M), but all of the fabric is exactly the same (including mesh). The only difference is the waistband and stiching on it. I had some photos of Nishikori personal shorts and they were also like that. Only Roger got different fabric, so it's all personal preferences.
This is correct.
 
They really don't care about tennis market, at least nowhere near as much as their casual and lifestyle lines. They did sell jackets with Novak and Kei (Nishikori even got one release for USO'18 after they already signed Roger) and bags with logos as well. Those were actually pretty inexpensive and stayed at like 50% off on site for weeks (around 20 EUR, but I'm not entirely sure). Some of RF bags are also being sold, but without the logo, just like the practice shirt. That's because they don't want to be tennis specific (or even sports) brand and want to get as many people as possible (tennis fans included) to become their regular customers for everyday clothing. Someone even made a tutorial on how to remove their logo from Nishikori shorts back in 2017. That's because most people aren't really into branding, but just want activewear they can run or train in. With Djokovic they were in a bit different phase, kind of testing the waters and pushing logos much further. The ND logo was practically created for his Uniqlo line. Uniqlo makes Federer use more and more logo-less stuff and wants him wear their clothing rather than make special clothing for him. They released the RF cap, as it's far more common (and "acceptable") for those to have a text or a logo. Doesn't mean that they won't release jackets or put RF logo on clothing in the future, possibly multiple items at the same time. Even adding logo and selling older items with it is not out of the question.
Yes, I understand their motives to stay focused on their core business model and not be perceived as a sports company (which they aren't anyway), which is why they don't even bother with releasing Fed's outfits for anything other than the Majors. My question was more about why they don't do it presently with them with items that are complimentary to the outfits they do release, after all, they still bother with releasing the rest, even if in limited quantities. Maybe they will slowly adopt the ever growing Federer line as part of their strategy to market the brand to the consumer (as you suggest). The release of the jackets seems like a reasonable step in that direction, with or without additional logos. Jackets are functional piece of clothing, just like tennis outfits are: many people wear them while doing sports, including tennis, so it is not like they are just a decorative piece to add to "the collection".

It got released though. Green crocodile shirt as well, but only in Japan (and in far smaller quantity than any uniqlo tennis retail item for example).
If it got released I never saw it being sold, and I am a regular customer. I bought it off of a Lacoste warehouse, where they keep various samples and other stuff. The green croc shirt was never sold where I am. If you say that it was released in Japan then it was again limited access item (might as well not have existed for the rest of the world).


Also the only difference between uniqlo dry-ex practice shirts that Roger and Kei wear (and Novak in the past) are the added red logos. You can even see small silver squares on the back. Basically retail product with logos slapped on them..
I am aware of that. The "fading" practice shirts are quite popular.

All of the Djokovic Foundation items are just retail versions with the Peugot logo, it's as simple as that. That's also the only model Djokovic wore with and without it. You wouldn't call shirts different just because of one print. It's quite common in football to let consumers chose which sponsors logos they want and it's just considered a variation of the same product. That being said they aren't "an extension" of his PE gear and the logo is just a bonus for that distribution.
Bolded: I said exactly the same thing:

No they didn't "do that" as what was offered through Novak's charity was never intended to reach massive numbers, and as I said, was basically slightly increased personal stock, probably part of his deal with Uniqlo designed to support that charity through limited number of special items. It certainly was not the same thing as what was sold in the Uniqlo shops, be it for patches, tailoring, or something else. You may claim that it is only this or that, but fact is that there were differences.
So, basically there are three "levels" of gear that we are talking about:

1) Djokovic personal items: what he used to wear: might be exclusive items like the training shirt you posted some time ago, might be shirts with additional ventilation like you posted above, might be shorts with different hem and stitching, like you posted above, might be different tailoring (I don't think that Djokovic's Uniqlo clothes had the same tailoring, at least not how they were sitting on him) and so on

2) Djokovic personal stock: items that Uniqlo provided for him with different purposes: for his foundation - with additional patches, based on the retail versions, with Uniqlo branding, again, based on the retail offerings for members of his team that might need them, promotional activities and so on

3) retail: unaltered items that are sold in the chain of retail stores

There is a great deal of confusion from some here about which is which, and they keep insisting that it is this or that: basically they compare items from the 2 and 3 points, but claim that they are form the first one, and even refuse to make the distinction between 2 and 3, calling the items basically "the same". Customisations are just that: alterations that may go on any level and detail. If a player likes the base material it speaks highly of its quality, it doesn't mean that customisations weren't done to the item at all.

On top of that the broader point was completely lost in the bickering about the above: the broader point was that it is usual for the brands to outfit their top stars with things that are specific to them. Djokovic is no exception, regardless whether they did for him more or less than for any other star.

:cool:
 

aenri86

Semi-Pro
I received mine a couple days ago, got the red shirt with the dark blue shorts and socks (not pictured).

The only other RF Uniqlo outfit I own was the very first AO Uniqlo outfit from 2019 and I must say they have come a long way.

There's a lot more details in the cooling and breathability of the shirt. It's much lighter and airier feeling. I find the fit of RG21 a little looser and the length of the shirt just a tad longer though I have always found the shirt of AO19 to be unusually short, for reference I'm 180cm (5'11) and 75kg (165lbs).

The materials they used felt much nicer on the new shirt and have so many more holes for breathability on them compared to the older one which I felt relied only on the material itself to cool the player down which it didn't do a good job at.

The shorts are really nice and have a subtle pinstripe to them and as soon as I held and touched it, was very reminiscent of the Nike RF 2012 shorts.

If this is what Uniqlo is going to produce going forward then I'm all for it, especially if they put on a heart transfer RF logo on the shirt and shorts somewhere.











So back to the original topic...how’s the quality? Both shirt and shorts seem like an improvement... how’s the size and length of the shorts?
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
So, basically there are three "levels" of gear that we are talking about:

1) Djokovic personal items: what he used to wear: might be exclusive items like the training shirt you posted some time ago, might be shirts with additional ventilation like you posted above, might be shorts with different hem and stitching, like you posted above, might be different tailoring (I don't think that Djokovic's Uniqlo clothes had the same tailoring, at least not how they were sitting on him) and so on
This shirt was also available on Novak's foundation website because I have it and it also has the ventilation:



2) Djokovic personal stock: items that Uniqlo provided for him with different purposes: for his foundation - with additional patches, based on the retail versions, with Uniqlo branding, again, based on the retail offerings for members of his team that might need them, promotional activities and so on

3) retail: unaltered items that are sold in the chain of retail stores

There is a great deal of confusion from some here about which is which, and they keep insisting that it is this or that: basically they compare items from the 2 and 3 points, but claim that they are form the first one, and even refuse to make the distinction between 2 and 3, calling the items basically "the same". Customisations are just that: alterations that may go on any level and detail. If a player likes the base material it speaks highly of its quality, it doesn't mean that customisations weren't done to the item at all.

On top of that the broader point was completely lost in the bickering about the above: the broader point was that it is usual for the brands to outfit their top stars with things that are specific to them. Djokovic is no exception, regardless whether they did for him more or less than for any other star.

:cool:
As I've said before, I am NO Uniqlo expert but I know what saw what Novak wore at the 2015 USOpen when I was two feet away from him on three different times on three different days. The shirt he wore on those days looked exactly the same as the shirt I bought on Uniqlo website a few months later without the Peugeot logo. I still have this brand new shirt:



What I am saying is a lot of what so called Uniqlo (PE) items for Novak were also available to the general public, maybe not all of them but quite a lot and that Novak wore them.
 

N01E

Hall of Fame
This shirt was also available on Novak's foundation website because I have it and it also has the ventilation:





As I've said before, I am NO Uniqlo expert but I know what saw what Novak wore at the 2015 USOpen when I was two feet away from him on three different times on three different days. The shirt he wore on those days looked exactly the same as the shirt I bought on Uniqlo website a few months later without the Peugeot logo. I still have this brand new shirt:



What I am saying is a lot of what so called Uniqlo (PE) items for Novak were also available to the general public, maybe not all of them but quite a lot and that Novak wore them.
No, they don't have those ventilation holes:


You can clearly see that they are missing on the NDF version. It's especially easy to notice with white and yellow shirts.

As I said before, the ONLY difference between NDF and Uniqlo retail shirts was the Peugot logo.
 

kimguroo

Legend
So back to the original topic...how’s the quality? Both shirt and shorts seem like an improvement... how’s the size and length of the shorts?
Finally, Uniqlo changed shorts material.
This shorts is very similar to 2013 Nike AO.
Maybe slightly thinner but almost identical feeling without comparing both shorts side by side.
Probably Nike and some of Adidas users might like this shorts ( I prefer this shorts material than before).
This shorts will be good for spring/summer because of thinner material ( BTW. Thinner does not mean cheap and bad material). length is above knee length.

Polo is same material but textile has more breathing holes in back panel and some accents in side.
I prefer mixed 5-15% spandex material and bit more softer fabric but it might be harder for uniqlo because of big heat transfer logos. Size is just typical size. Slightly looser feeling to it.
 

aenri86

Semi-Pro
Finally, Uniqlo changed shorts material.
This shorts is very similar to 2013 Nike AO.
Maybe slightly thinner but almost identical feeling without comparing both shorts side by side.
Probably Nike and some of Adidas users might like this shorts ( I prefer this shorts material than before).
This shorts will be good for spring/summer because of thinner material ( BTW. Thinner does not mean cheap and bad material). length is above knee length.

Polo is same material but textile has more breathing holes in back panel and some accents in side.
I prefer mixed 5-15% spandex material and bit more softer fabric but it might be harder for uniqlo because of big heat transfer logos. Size is just typical size. Slightly looser feeling to it.
Cool! I’m still waiting on my order. Glad they changed the materials on the shorts specifically. I liked the previous releases but it wasn’t my favorite.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I don't understand what you want. You literally say that they are not the same thing be it even for the sponsors logos. I also have been reading for a lot of items from ND that haven't even been available to the public, like for example his green training shirt with the graphic crocodile, which was available in other colours in the retail version, but not in green. Same thing was with Uniqlo, where the user No1e posted such a training shirt that wasn't released to the public, along with many training jackets that were also unavailable or of very limited release. There are many examples like that. I personally bought a sample for his Lacoste collection that didn't make the final cut. It was this shirt, but in neon yellow:



and so on and so on. You may have examples of shirts being identical, that doesn't make them the same, nor precludes from Uniqlo producing special items for Djokovic himself (which was the main point here).

:cool:
Looks great but look very expensive and for Rich people only Tshirt
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
No, they don't have those ventilation holes:


You can clearly see that they are missing on the NDF version. It's especially easy to notice with white and yellow shirts.

As I said before, the ONLY difference between NDF and Uniqlo retail shirts was the Peugot logo.
@N01E: just checked the same Novak uniqlo shirt and color I purchased from NDF. I bought the white color in May 2016 and that does NOT have the ventilation holes. However, the white shirt, I purchased in January 2017, it is still in the bag, that one DOES have the ventilation holes. Both of these items were sent to me from Italy where NDF did its business from. The NDF stopped selling clothes after that.
 

sixone90

Professional
Finally, Uniqlo changed shorts material.
This shorts is very similar to 2013 Nike AO.
Thank you for confirming what I have been saying even though some of us here have a hard time believing that to be the case.

This shorts will be good for spring/summer because of thinner material ( BTW. Thinner does not mean cheap and bad material). length is above knee length.
I would also like to add that it feels less slim fit compared to my AO19 shorts and even though both are above knee in length, the RG21 shorts sit slightly lower.

Polo is same material but textile has more breathing holes in back panel and some accents in side.
I prefer mixed 5-15% spandex material and bit more softer fabric but it might be harder for uniqlo because of big heat transfer logos. Size is just typical size. Slightly looser feeling to it.
I also agree that it is a slightly looser feeling. I put the RG21 on top of the AO19 polo and the RG21 polo is approximately 2cm longer in length. Another thing I'd like to point out is that the collar sits much firmer and maintains it's shape much better on the RG21 polo than the AO19 polo

At least I have the materials to compare side by side and make an accurate decision whereas you have nothing and just make sh_t up. Like I said: stupid does stupid is. Move on.
Couldn't agree more with this statement
 
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kimguroo

Legend
I also agree that it is a slightly looser feeling. I put the RG21 on top of the AO19 polo and the RG21 polo is approximately 2cm longer in length. Another thing I'd like to point out is that the collar sits much firmer and maintains it's shape much better on the RG21 polo than the AO19 polo
I am too lazy to measure but the polo looks longer.
Anyway, the design of the polo (pattern/breathing holes) are same as AO21 henley.
 

gmorgan82

New User
the french open shorts resemble those aussie open ones. They def were different that year but i'd bet the current ones are close to what he really wears. Shorts are a big step up from previous versions.
 

Pistol Pete

Semi-Pro
the french open shorts resemble those aussie open ones. They def were different that year but i'd bet the current ones are close to what he really wears. Shorts are a big step up from previous versions.
The RF Uniqlo shorts changed for RF at Wimbledon 2019. Fed asked them to make them similar to his Nike gear. The shirts also changed due to his match with John Milman 2018. The shirt wouldn’t breathe and part of the reason he suffered. Everything is a Nike replica now (for the most part).
 

BDAZ

Professional
Received my RF Uniqlo stuff today... red shirt, blue shirt, white shorts, all in XL, and the blue RF hat. I had bought the Nishikori Oz Open shirts and another pair of regular Uniqlo athletic shorts, and returned them. Size-wise, the XL shirts were fine (perhaps a little big). I returned those because I just didn't love them as much in person as I did in pics. The shorts I got in my normal Large, and they were way too small, and were returned, also. Based on this, I got the Fed gear in XL. One thing I didn't take into account is that I've dropped about 10-15 lbs. since. The shirts now, I think, are too big. Funny enough, the red one is bigger and baggier than the blue. The blue isn't too bad. It's a shame, because I really like the red. I might see if I can find a red in Large somewhere. The shorts are passable in XL, although I think I could've gone with Large. I generally where XL in Nike shirts and Large in shorts, and those are usually perfect. I think the red shirt and the hat are going back. Maybe I'll change up the sizes for the Wimbledon gear.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If you click on the size guide they will tell you the exact size of the garment you're buying, so you can tell in a glance if that's a big L, a correct L or a small L.

You have to get a feel for the measurements and have some experience of wearing their garments, but there is absoutely no reason why you can't order the right size first time.

Received my RF Uniqlo stuff today... red shirt, blue shirt, white shorts, all in XL, and the blue RF hat. I had bought the Nishikori Oz Open shirts and another pair of regular Uniqlo athletic shorts, and returned them. Size-wise, the XL shirts were fine (perhaps a little big). I returned those because I just didn't love them as much in person as I did in pics. The shorts I got in my normal Large, and they were way too small, and were returned, also. Based on this, I got the Fed gear in XL. One thing I didn't take into account is that I've dropped about 10-15 lbs. since. The shirts now, I think, are too big. Funny enough, the red one is bigger and baggier than the blue. The blue isn't too bad. It's a shame, because I really like the red. I might see if I can find a red in Large somewhere. The shorts are passable in XL, although I think I could've gone with Large. I generally where XL in Nike shirts and Large in shorts, and those are usually perfect. I think the red shirt and the hat are going back. Maybe I'll change up the sizes for the Wimbledon gear.
 

BDAZ

Professional
You know, I've never really paid much attention to size charts. Always figured they were generic across the company rather than accurate to each piece of clothing, but I took a look at the Fed shorts and another pair, and they are different. I'll definitely take a look next time. Thanks! But still... maybe just manufacturing variances, the red shirt is noticeably bigger than the blue.
 

Frisbeepop

New User
Just back from a trip to the Oxford street Uniqlo flagship. An entire section devoted to Rover with plentiful stock of everything. Every cap, sweatbands (were sold out online), and dozens of pairs of socks. Almost bought a load to flip on the ’Bay (joking).

There is a push on his kit but depends on territory. I visited three stores but only the flagship had everything, the others had some stock but not the depth of range.
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
I got both blue pieces in L. I think they fit at the shoulder and hip like a Nike L. The shorts are SLIGHTLY more baggy than usual... and the shirt is a little short. I am 6'0" and reaching up for a serve goes above the waistband a teeny bit. Overall nice colors. It is such a classic navy blue. $40 per is a very fair price in my opinion. I just hate Uniqlo shipping and really hate returns so I'm glad they fit

The shirt is so breathable which is nice. Look at the last pic for an idea.

The shorts (L) are 20" in length from top of the waistband to the leg and have an 8.5" inseam. I would prefer 19" but these still hit above my knee so thats fine. Probably cut perfect for you 6'3"ers



 
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bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
Their hoodies are the most durable hoodies I've ever owned. Aside from the colours fading, they've kept their shape with no holes or tears at the seams...some close to 10 years old
I own many Djokovic's Uniqlo jackets and they are very durable. Have these for the past six years without any wear and tear yet:

 

rommil

Legend
D@mn shame Uniqlo does not sell the tennis jackets. They have really good material, fit, colors don’t fade and it looks different from anything out there and relatively inexpensive . I have couple of old Uniqlo sweater and they have held up so well over the years like mentioned above
 
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