RG Draw - Which half do you want Federer to be in?

Which half?

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Mustard said:
Sorry, but I'd prefer Nadal to face Murray and Djokovic/Federer, than have to potentially go through Federer and Djokovic in consecutive matches. I couldn't give a damn about the rest of the top 4 losing points. I just want Nadal to have the best chances to win the title.
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I know what you are thinking. Murray is not making the semi and Nadal would play some clown in the semi.
 
TenTan said:
Nadals.

Im a Federer fan. If it ends up being a Nadal-Federer final, Nadal will get closer to Federer's slam record. But if its a Djokovic-Nadal final, Djokovic will have a better chance of denying it.
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Hmmm interesting point. Although Fed has a better chance of winning the semifinal and defending his points if he's in Djokovic's half.
 
jackson vile said:
Nadal needs a good warm-up before he faces Novak. If Nadal can't defeat Novak at the FO, then he is no clay GOAT.
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I have to say that I'm surprised that this is coming from you. Nonetheless, I disagree. Novak hasn't done anything remarkable at RG while Nadal is, to a lot of people, the clay GOAT. Nadal doesn't have much, if any, proving left to do on clay. I don't think he needs to beat Novak at all to be clay GOAT. In fact, I think it's quite the opposite.
 
Doesn't matter since Roger is winning RG this year.

It would be extra sweet if he beats Rafa and Noel in the process.
 
NadalAgassi said:
Are you disputing Djokovic was the 2nd best clay courter of last season.
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Yes. What matters in the long run? Grand slam titles. He came closer to winning one on clay than Djokovic - and by some margin in his FO form.

Overall points are irrelevant when you look back at the record books. Federer achieved a higher level of play, beat him when it mattered most and accomplished more at the one tournament that overrides all others on clay than Djokovic. Fact.

As I said above, peaking at the right time for the big tournaments is the key aims in high level tennis. Djokovic fell short at the French Open despite playing the best in the lead up events. Ergo, why would looking at this year's results somehow be any better indication of for going into the French Open for most players?

In fact, aside than Nadal, not one single Italian Open finalist has then gone on to contest in the French Open final in the last six years. You could make the argument based on the last half decades that expending yourself in Rome if your name isn't Nadal is wasted effort.
 
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I would have been happiest to see Rafa at 3 and see him ending up in Novak's half of the draw. A semi-final of a grand-slam would not bring with it the the huge pressure of all those lost finals.

In the current situation I don't care.
 
Since its clear now Nadal is winning the title, I would want Fed to play Djokovic and give us a good tennis match this time, like last year, and unlike that Rome SF.
 
nadal_slam_king said:
I agree, I hope Federer lands in Nadal's half. However, I have a different reason. I want Federer to lose in the semi so he loses ranking points.
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He may lose a few points but he'll have tied/broken a few more all-time records that Nadal (or anyone else) will never get near to equaling...
 
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Mustard said:
Sorry, but I'd prefer Nadal to face Murray and Djokovic/Federer, than have to potentially go through Federer and Djokovic in consecutive matches. I couldn't give a damn about the rest of the top 4 losing points. I just want Nadal to have the best chances to win the title.
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Do you think Murray will make the SF? :):shock:

I can't see that happening based on his recent results
 
I'd like Roger to be in Nole's half for no other reason that it would make an interesting SF. Roger vs Rafa just doesn't have the same sort of appeal because it tends to be too predictable on (red) clay.
 
Sentinel said:
Doesn't matter since Roger is winning RG this year.

It would be extra sweet if he beats Rafa and Noel in the process.
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I never understand people exhibiting such arrogance. Does it arise from uncertainty? Not to mention it's a major jinx now:).
 
Going by Djoker's clay form this year, it will help Fed if he is in Djoker's half and he has very good chances of beating him. I am not even sure of Djoker being in the SF in the first place, it depends on his draw and an upset is very likely.

But after doing the dirty job for Nadal last year by taking out the unbeatable Djoker, Fed is likely to get stuck in Nadal's half this year. Book it :)
 
I want Roger to be in Rafa's half. I want Roger to win, so one day he has to face Rafa. So it's better to be in SF than in Finals. Also in SF, he can play with less expectations compared to an event in which he beats the world number one and then play for the title.

If Roger is in Novak's half, and if he makes into the final, he still has the "king of clay" waiting for him? It would be really hard to play your best against Novak and win and enter the final with lesser hopes of winning since Rafa is a more tougher opponent. If he beats Rafa, his confidence would be sky high and also he is gonna play a player whom he has beaten in last year, and this would be a better position.

Let the agony end as fast as possible..I also feel that Roger is better off playing Rafa in a SF than in a Final
 
Feather said:
I want Roger to be in Rafa's half. I want Roger to win, so one day he has to face Rafa. So it's better to be in SF than in Finals. Also in SF, he can play with less expectations compared to an event in which he beats the world number one and then play for the title.

If Roger is in Novak's half, and if he makes into the final, he still has the "king of clay" waiting for him? It would be really hard to play your best against Novak and win and enter the final with lesser hopes of winning since Rafa is a more tougher opponent. If he beats Rafa, his confidence would be sky high and also he is gonna play a player whom he has beaten in last year, and this would be a better position.

Let the agony end as fast as possible..I also feel that Roger is better off playing Rafa in a SF than in a Final
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Your post makes perfect sense and I'd agree except that if Fed drew Ralph and lost in the semis(which he most probably will), he'll drop ranking points which would be a blow to his ambition of regaining #1.

He messed up in Miami against his turkey Roddick, if he had done well there he'd be sitting pretty at #2 right now, he better not mess up again.
 
Haven't you heard!?

The trivalry has been reversed.

Federer is now Nadal's kryptonite, Nadal is Djokovic's kryptonite, and Djokovic is Federer's kryptonite.

Nadal better pray Federer is not in his half.
 
Feather said:
I want Roger to be in Rafa's half. I want Roger to win, so one day he has to face Rafa. So it's better to be in SF than in Finals. Also in SF, he can play with less expectations compared to an event in which he beats the world number one and then play for the title.
Let the agony end as fast as possible..I also feel that Roger is better off playing Rafa in a SF than in a Final
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None of this made any difference in the AO 2012 SF when Fed was arguably playing great after winning Basel, Paris and WTF , did it ? And that wasn't even on clay.
 
tank_job said:
Haven't you heard!?

The trivalry has been reversed.

Federer is now Nadal's kryptonite, Nadal is Djokovic's kryptonite, and Djokovic is Federer's kryptonite.

Nadal better pray Federer is not in his half.
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Yep, this is 2012 :)
And Federer had better pray Roddick isn't in his path , Nadal that Verdasco isn't in his.
 
monfed said:
Your post makes perfect sense and I'd agree except that if Fed drew Ralph and lost in the semis(which he most probably will), he'll drop ranking points which would be a blow to his ambition of regaining #1.

He messed up in Miami against his turkey Roddick, if he had done well there he'd be sitting pretty at #2 right now, he better not mess up again.
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I kind of intuitively felt you will reply for this monfed :) I kind of intuitively feel that Roger will win this RG. Seriously, I am not joking :) May be am incorrigible, lol

He would lose 480 points, true. But I think he will only gain after FO. Wimbledon, he is defending just 360, 90, 180 and 0 at Wimbledon, Montreal, Cincinnati and Shanghai. So am sure he will compensate for that. I am sure that he will have a good run in Wimbledon. I don't think he has declined on grass, that's absurd. He cannot decline just on one surface. He was unfortunate to face a hot Tsonga who on that day could have beaten anyone..

Last year it wasn't a one sided match. He was 5-2 at one point and that infamous drop shot. Then he lost seven games continuously and still he took the second set to tie break. He was not outplayed totally. I expected him to lose against Rafa at IW but he didn't. So you really never know even if it's really tough. Again it's tough but NOT impossible
 
In Nadal's half. I want to see him battle it out for the place in the final. And since he have probably have to face Nadal anyway, if he wants to win the whole thing, it is better, if that happens on a SF stage.
 
sbengte said:
None of this made any difference in the AO 2012 SF when Fed was arguably playing great after winning Basel, Paris and WTF , did it ? And that wasn't even on clay.
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That surface also suits Rafa more, slow, bouncing..

Anyway, I feel this is better.

Let Rafa, the clay court king, go through both Roger and Novak and collect his title.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
In Nadal's half. I want to see him battle it out for the place in the final. And since he have probably have to face Nadal anyway, if he wants to win the whole thing, it is better, if that happens on a SF stage.
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That's also I meant. Let the tougher match come first. There is no FO title without playing Rafa. So why prolong the agony?
 
timnz said:
Why rate Djokovic over Federer for chances at Roland Garros? It's clear that Federer's head wasn't into the Rome semi-final (from his post match interview) and that he was very tired coming off the Madrid win and then playing night session after night session.

The other reason I think you can't draw too much conclusion from the Novak/Roger semi in Rome is that Federer served 39% in the first set. No wonder he lost it 2-6 ! When his serve was over 50% he was on level pegging with Djokovic in the second set. Now Roger has been serving really well of late, so I have to think this was an aberation, perhaps related to fatigue. No one in the history of tenis is going to beat the current number 1 serving 39% of his first serve in - in the first set.
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Because he achieved something Fed never could, beating Nadal twice in the same CC season (and in straight sets no less), sure that was last year (and he lost to him two times this year) but the last time Fed beat Nadal on clay was 3 years ago.

It's like this, to win FO you have to beat Nadal, most people feel Novak has a better chance of doing so than Fed.
 
Feather said:
That's also I meant. Let the tougher match come first. There is no FO title without playing Rafa. So why prolong the agony?
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Your assumption is that Djoker is a lock for the SF (or final unless he faces Federer). There is a possibility that Djoker may not make it to the final or even fall before the SF. If Djoker falls early and Fed is in Rafa's half , I am sure you'll wish he had drawn Djoker, don't you think ? :)
 
sbengte said:
Your assumption is that Djoker is a lock for the SF (or final unless he faces Federer). There is a possibility that Djoker may not make it to the final or even fall before the SF. If Djoker falls early and Fed is in Rafa's half , I am sure you'll wish he had drawn Djoker, don't you think ? :)
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LOL sb I think you're overreacting here. Djokovic is gonna come back strong in RG. He's saving his 2.0 version for the final against Ralph. :twisted:
 
aprilfool said:
He may lose a few points but he'll have tied/broken a few more all-time records that Nadal (or anyone else) will never get near to equaling...
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And Federer will never do THE IMPOSSIBLE - winning slams on clay, grass, hardcourt in a Calendar Year (Nadal 2010). Federer will never win 81 straight matches on one surface. Oh, and Nadal is only 26 (soon). His records have only just begun.
 
Nadal's semi. Since Djokovic - Nadal has already played at the last 3 slam finals, it is only fitting that they play here as well. Djokovic is trying to win his 4th slam in a row against Nadal on his home turf. I also wouldn't mind if Federer beat Nadal to set up another epic clash between Federer - Djokovic.
 
sbengte said:
Your assumption is that Djoker is a lock for the SF (or final unless he faces Federer). There is a possibility that Djoker may not make it to the final or even fall before the SF. If Djoker falls early and Fed is in Rafa's half , I am sure you'll wish he had drawn Djoker, don't you think ? :)
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Yeah, it was entirely based on that assumption that Novak will be in SF.

If Roger gets drawn in Rafa's half and Novak exits before SF, I am sure I would wish he had drawn Novak. Exactly like you said.. I don't think that will happen.

But you never know !
 
nadal_slam_king said:
And Federer will never do THE IMPOSSIBLE - winning slams on clay, grass, hardcourt in a Calendar Year (Nadal 2010). Federer will never win 81 straight matches on one surface. Oh, and Nadal is only 26 (soon). His records have only just begun.
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LOL cannot wait till his knees breakdown completely should be happening pretty soon :) And then after he retires TENNIS can be played again
 
I want Fed in Nadal's half. Would be very interesting to see that. And if Fed has any chances to win, they are certainly higher in SF's. Pressure will be completely off for him.

Although most likely he'll end up in Djoko's half.
 
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This is my preference.

I want Fed to be in Nadal's half. That way Nadal faces 2nd best & 3rd best clay courters in his way to title (if he manages to win).

Second it is easier for Fed to handle Semis than Finals (the pressure is lot lesser).

Plus I want Joker to be in Finals and have a shot @ RG and dethrone Nadal rather than knowing a foregone result of a Fed-Nadal on a Final!

Makes sense, no?!
 
eh, it doesnt matter, he wont win the french. I just hope he reaches the semi and has an entertaining( competitive) match.

and then get ready for Wimby and make his real move.
 
CocaCola said:
I want Fed in Nadal's half. Would be very interesting to see that. And if Fed has any chances to win, they are certainly higher in SF's. Pressure will be completely off for him.

Although most likely he'll end up in Djoko's half.
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thats what we said in Australia, the result was the foregone conclusion.
 
nadal_slam_king said:
And Federer will never do THE IMPOSSIBLE - winning slams on clay, grass, hardcourt in a Calendar Year (Nadal 2010). Federer will never win 81 straight matches on one surface. Oh, and Nadal is only 26 (soon). His records have only just begun.
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man, you know as well as me that:

a) clay is rafa's best surface and grass was federer's during his prime. do you really want to compare the amount of tournaments there are of one and the other? federer has a huge streak at grass its a 4 or 5 years streak) and if there were more tournaments, he would probably had a better record. just dont be silly

b) that is not THE IMPOSSIBLE, lol. federer was one set away of doing it when he was already 28 or something like this. just dont blow nadal records out of proportion, you get the opposite effect. nadal is already good enough without such lame supporters
 
absurdo said:
man, you know as well as me that:

a) clay is rafa's best surface and grass was federer's during his prime. do you really want to compare the amount of tournaments there are of one and the other? federer has a huge streak at grass its a 4 or 5 years streak) and if there were more tournaments, he would probably had a better record. just dont be silly

b) that is not THE IMPOSSIBLE, lol. federer was one set away of doing it when he was already 28 or something like this. just dont blow nadal records out of proportion, you get the opposite effect. nadal is already good enough without such lame supporters
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*******s will never acknowledge that one.
 
I said Nadal's half, b/c I think there would be less pressure there.

It really doesn't matter though. Rafa will win the French again, and then probably win Wimbledon. He just looks better to me than he did last year, and Djokovic looks worse. Fed looks stronger but can't solve the Rafa puzzle at a slam.

It's too bad. I like Rafa fine, but I just don't love seeing that brand of tennis. It's getting old seeing Novak and Rafa contest all these grind fest finals. They're dramatic, and at times breathtaking, but the lack of diversity is wearing me down.
 
Federer in 2!


But if I could choose, I'd put him in Nadal's half. Then he could actually win the final if he were to play a brilliant semi.


But mostly I'm tired of Djokovic-Federer semis, either they play eachother in the final or not at all! :)
 
We all know its rigged and Fed will be in Djokers half. Has it not been that way the last 5000000000000 tournaments?
 
Does it matter? He doesn't have much of a chance at winning the tournament one way or the other although it'd be amazing if by some miracle, it happened.
Right now, the Federer in 2 option seems ideal :mrgreen:
 
It amazes me how people think RG is a slam where Federer stands zero chance of winning while he stands a better chance at Wimby and USO ! Why do people overlook the fact that RG was the only place where he made the final out of the last 8 slams played and was two sets away from the title. Compare that to Wimby where he hasn't even gone beyond the QF for two consecutive years or AO and USO where he hasn't gone beyond the SF.

Federer winning another slam is unlikely according to me but not totally out of the realm of possibility. And as ridiculous as it may sound, I think RG is his best chance of winning another slam. I just don't see him winning any of the other three slams.

Not Wimby, he is just not as good on grass anymore and there are lots of players who can hit him off the court like in the last two years. As for USO, the super saturday rule is a serious disadvantage and I don't see a 31 year old playing and winning two best of 5 matches back to back and winning in the final weekend. He blew his chance to win his last USO way back in 2009 against Delpotro. As for AO, possible if the draw opens up but slow HC has never been his favorite surface , so maybe I'd put this as the second most likely place where he might win (wouldn't bet on it though).
 
sbengte said:
It amazes me how people think RG is a slam where Federer stands zero chance of winning while he stands a better chance at Wimby and USO ! Why do people overlook the fact that RG was the only place where he made the final out of the last 8 slams played and was two sets away from the title. Compare that to Wimby where he hasn't even gone beyond the QF for two consecutive years or AO and USO where he hasn't gone beyond the SF.

Federer winning another slam is unlikely according to me but not totally out of the realm of possibility. And as ridiculous as it may sound, I think RG is his best chance of winning another slam. I just don't see him winning any of the other three slams.

Not Wimby, he is just not as good on grass anymore and there are lots of players who can hit him off the court like in the last two years. As for USO, the super saturday rule is a serious disadvantage and I don't see a 31 year old playing and winning two best of 5 matches back to back and winning in the final weekend. He blew his chance to win his last USO way back in 2009 against Delpotro. As for AO, possible if the draw opens up but slow HC has never been his favorite surface , so maybe I'd put this as the second most likely place where he might win (wouldn't bet on it though).
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What's the use of past results? This year is new. Tsonga played a match of his life and Roger lost. In 2010 he played badly in both FO and Wimbledon. I don't think his chances have reduced in grass. Irrespective of last year's results, I find it very tough for him to do grinding matches on the clay back to back and win RG. I really doubt whether he would have the mind for it. Though for some strange reasons I feel he will win RG this time. May be my heart is stronger than head.

I feel he has more chances on grass. The lot of players who can hit him off the court can do the same thing to Rafa and Novak also. So anyone can lose to those big hitters. Clay is more physically demanding than grass and Roger is certainly not that young!
 
Feather said:
What's the use of past results? This year is new.
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I agree past results are not always an indicator of what is to come. But with an almost 31 year old , I believe the Wimby results from the last two years actually point to something having declined in his grass game and I doubt things will get better, all other conditions remaining the same.

I feel he has more chances on grass. The lot of players who can hit him off the court can do the same thing to Rafa and Novak also. So anyone can lose to those big hitters. Clay is more physically demanding than grass and Roger is certainly not that young!
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If the recent draw patterns are anything to go by, it is more likely that Tsonga , Raonic or anyone else who is in great form is most likely to be in Fed's draw than Nadal's. Don't ask me why :)
 
sbengte said:
If the recent draw patterns are anything to go by, it is more likely that Tsonga , Raonic or anyone else who is in great form is most likely to be in Fed's draw than Nadal's. Don't ask me why :)
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I don't think they can cause problems to Roger in clay. I hope Roger will avoid John Isner or del Potro in QF before a tiresome SF with either Rafa or Novak. It would be real bad and John Isner has beaten Roger in clay this year :(
 
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