Yeah, many of us DID ignore that completely, that's why many of us said he was gonna get his *** kicked, which is the point of NRod2. He "...used hindsight from AFTER the match?" Really? Anybody with any tennis acumen at all, and who was even half way objective-hell, several Nadal fans who aren't objective at all-could see this result coming, but it hit YOU like the proverbial ton 'o bricks. Why is that not a surprise?
RG QF: [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [6] Rafael Nadal
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Yeah, many of us DID ignore that completely, that's why many of us said he was gonna get his *** kicked, which is the point of NRod2. He "...used hindsight from AFTER the match?" Really? Anybody with any tennis acumen at all, and who was even half way objective-hell, several Nadal fans who aren't objective at all-could see this result coming, but it hit YOU like the proverbial ton 'o bricks. Why is that not a surprise?
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Yeah pure class from Novak, his behavior after the win. Poor guy never gets any credit for it!
S
Strange Bird
Guest
Had Soderling defeated Nadal in PC or SL?
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
Quarter-Final in his last 2 slams says Nadal is not done winning at all.
You surely know how close QF is to Final.
WhiskeyEE
G.O.A.T.
He beat all of 1 seeded player to make those 2 quarter finals. Kevin Anderson who bends over to anyone ranked higher than him. Even Berdych destroys that guy every time.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
FreeBird
Legend
(copied)
Carsomyr
Legend
kandamrgam
Hall of Fame
This
Oh sorry ignore my previous comment. This
Definitely :twisted:
kandamrgam
Hall of Fame
Say what you want, but he is my favourite poster hands down. Chicho who? Welcome Chico++ :twisted:
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
I voted for Djokovic in 3, and I was correct.
That 1st set was the most entertaining and intense set of this Roland Garros :shock:
I don't usually find straight sets wins particularly enjoyable, but this was drama all the way
Tennis_commentator - FOUND OUT
:lol:
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
This PRE Match post out of hundreds really stood out for me !
Clearly an objective appraisal of current form should inform prediction. Not how many time someone has won something. I don't care if NEDal had won RG ten thousand times.
It was clear he was not going to win it this year.
Blind faith in someone as great as Rafa is understandable. But it's also delusion sadly, and delusional fans don't make a winning player.
MURRAY FANS TAKE NOTE .....
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Tell her to change her profession.
is she good looking?
FedererDropShot
Hall of Fame
''I, the Muzziah, will bring true justice upon the tennis world''
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
Its not a crime to vote for the winner.
That's the purpose of the poll.
I've never voted on a poll before the match finished.
As soon as Nadal served the double-fault, I voted.
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
Any man able to make slam QFs despite career-low confidence (AO and RG this year) is very capable of winning slams, and several of them.
Federer's slam record will not be safe, especially now that Nadal is injury-free.
And as many opposition fans have said, Nadal winning 10 RG titles would hurt his legacy because it would make it appear too lopsided.
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
'Profession'?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Here are the players Nadal has played in slams this year:
Halys 304 Win
Almagro 154 Win
Kuznetzov 120 Win
Smyczek 112 Win
Sela 106 Win
Youzhny 49 Win
Sock 37 Win
Anderson 15 Win
What a lineup
Berdych 7 Loss
Djokovic 1 Loss
French organizers tried hard to give him yet another cakewalk draw, but this time the pastry wasn't light enough
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
Given how close the 1st set was, Nadal may well have won it if he was allowed to play his 4th Round match on Court Phillip (Nadal's 3rd and 4th Round matches were both on Court Suzanne).
I said before the match that Nadal would struggle to find rhythm in the 1st set due to the court change.
And that led to him never finding confidence.
No favors from the French organizers.
I said before the match that Nadal would struggle to find rhythm in the 1st set due to the court change.
And that led to him never finding confidence.
No favors from the French organizers.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
This Sally Kirkman person that Fiji frequently quotes is a professional astrologer, apparently.
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Rock Strongo
Legend
I don't know what to believe anymore...
FreeBird
Legend
Are you that homeless guy who took an 'excellent' betting tip from BertieB or Sally Kirkman? :lol:
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Look at their matches in the majors, then. Who has the best record in the majors against Djokovic? Nadal or Federer?
maruzo
Semi-Pro
Novak is now mature and still in his prime. He has another excellent season left in him.
Then Murray will finally get his turn in 2017.
By then the big four will officially be history.
It'll be anybody's game then.
I suspect multiple major winners from the current top tens.
Tsonga, Murray, Nishikori, Berdych, Cilic, are all possible winners. Heck even Raonic might have a shot competing against Novak and Murray.
Nadal will be strangely absent from all 4 major finals.
Del po should be on the top of this list if only his wrist can truly recover.
Then Murray will finally get his turn in 2017.
By then the big four will officially be history.
It'll be anybody's game then.
I suspect multiple major winners from the current top tens.
Tsonga, Murray, Nishikori, Berdych, Cilic, are all possible winners. Heck even Raonic might have a shot competing against Novak and Murray.
Nadal will be strangely absent from all 4 major finals.
Del po should be on the top of this list if only his wrist can truly recover.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
You could just admit you made a silly comment Mustard.
Yes it is more lopsided between Nadal and Djokovic than Fed and Djokovic. Fed did have a 4-1 lead in slams til 2010, djokovic won 2 matches having to save match points.
Then there is the fact that Nadal has had 7 matches vs Nole at RG where he is virtually unbeatable. And 1 at the AO where Nole is at his best. Vs Federer they've played only twice at Wimbledon and I think 3 times at the AO.
Djokovic managed to beat a 32 year old Fed and Wimbledon in 5 sets but seriously do you think the h2h might be different if Fed faced Nole there in 2006, 2007, 2008 for instance? (Nadal met Nole at RG those years) That's not even counting that Nadal is younger so was able to play better in 2012-2014 than Fed could.
Remember despite Federer being 5 years older, Nadal played Djokovic first in a slam. Thus federer had no head start. What I mean is nadal played djokovic from the year after he won his first slam so right at the start of his prime. Fed played Djokovic nearly 4 years after he won his first slam and was ending his peak soon after.
Despite this, this year Federer looks far more competitive vs Djokovic than Nadal. Sorry it's clear to anyone with eyes. The results speak for themselves.
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal was 5-0 against Djokovic in majors up to the end of 2010.
Nadal was winning big titles at a younger age than Federer with a very physically demanding style. Federer wasn't mentally ready for everything until he was 22, really. Hewitt was ready mentally a long time before Federer.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
It depends at which major. At RG, obviously Nadal. At Wimbledon, it's a tie (1-1). At AO and USO Fed (beat Djoko at AO once, Nadal 0, beat Djoko at USO 3 times, Nadal 2.)
I would say RG is the only slam where Nadal has done better than Fed vs Djoko.
tennis_commentator
Hall of Fame
Nadal and Djokovic are tied 1-1 at Wimbledon.
Federer and Djokovic are tied 1-1 at Wimbledon.
Nadal has a 2-1 record vs Djokovic at the US Open.
Federer has a 3-2 record vs Djokovic at the US Open.
Nadal has an 0-1 record (record 6 hours required) vs Djokovic at the Australian Open.
Federer has a 1-2 record vs Djokovic at the Australian Open.
Federer and Djokovic are tied 1-1 at Wimbledon.
Nadal has a 2-1 record vs Djokovic at the US Open.
Federer has a 3-2 record vs Djokovic at the US Open.
Nadal has an 0-1 record (record 6 hours required) vs Djokovic at the Australian Open.
Federer has a 1-2 record vs Djokovic at the Australian Open.
Well done Thanasi Kokkinakis.
I'm satisfied. Little disappointment just like for Federer's narrowly missed chance to double bagel Murray. With little less choking from Djokovic in first scoreline easily could have been somethng like 6-0/1 6-3 6-1 but he got this job finally, so no complaints. Good luck to him for rest of the tournament.
Is that decline or just a confidence issue?
I'm satisfied. Little disappointment just like for Federer's narrowly missed chance to double bagel Murray. With little less choking from Djokovic in first scoreline easily could have been somethng like 6-0/1 6-3 6-1 but he got this job finally, so no complaints. Good luck to him for rest of the tournament.
Is that decline or just a confidence issue?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The fact is Nadal being in his prime had time to turn things around vs Djokovic. Federer being in the twilight of his career couldn't do it as well because of age. So his record in majors vs Djokovic isn't really an indication of anything.
Nadal simply got to play Djokovic at RG more often than Federer got to play Nole at Wimb.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
The point is Federer was well in the lead when he was in his prime and before Djokovic came into his. The difference is that Nadal's prime lasted longer Nadal within the timeframe of playing Djokovic and he got to play him at RG a vast amount of tines Despite Fed being older Nadal played Djokovic earlier than Fed, so fed didn't even get to beat up on rookie Djokovic as much as Nadal did . Nadal was 5-0 vs Djokovic having avoided him in hc slams for 3 years while Djokovic had his number on hc, playing him 3 times on clay and once in a grass match Nole couldn't even physically complete.
come off it. Nadal got to play a very young Djokovic from 2006 right at the start of Nadal's prime. Federer was already several years into his by the time he started playing djokovic so ended that sooner.
you totally ignore the fact 7 meetings between Nadal and Djokovic came at his best slam and only one at Nole best slam. Compared to 3 at Nole best and 2 at Fed's best (and only NINE years after he first won there. Nadal played Djokovic the year after his maiden RG! Federer had his first Wimbledon match with Nole 9 years after his maiden title.
Your points have no relevance. Yes Federer was later to win slams. So? Are you saying federer was more in his prime post 2008 than Rafa was? Are you saying he's more in his prime now than Nadal? That would them make it perfectly logical that Federer is doing better against Nole and make it slightly weird you picked Nadal to win RG if he is less prime than 33 year old Fed.
Lastly the matches speak for themselves. Federer has been more competitive vs Nole this year than Nadal.
Pretty much...
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Nadal losing to Djokovic seemed right imo...if his reign had to come to an end, if the sun finally had to set, then it had to be against a player worthy of it. I don't know what will happen in the upcoming years, but that quarter final did feel like the last chapter between Rafa and Nole at RG. Djokovic taking all those defeats, and then finally dethroning Nadal, being able to go on that journey of heartbreak and triumph, facing your demons and continuing to try to do the impossible.
Two great champions, and a fitting end to the story.
Two great champions, and a fitting end to the story.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I think that this was a birthday Nadal will try to forget as soon as possible.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Oh my God, thank you for backing up the obvious! A bit unexpected but kudos lol. Though you hate Federer you can at least see reason most of the time.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Success vs Djoko is rather evenly distributed when it comes to Fedal.
Tier 1 events where Fed has defeated Djoko more often than Nadal:
1- AO (1/0)
2- USO (3/2)
3- M-C (3/2) Lol what?
4- Cincy (2/0)
Events where Nadal has beaten Djoko more often:
1- RG (6/1)
2- WTF (2/1)
3- IW (1/0)
4- Rome (3/0)
Tie:
1- W (1/1)
2- Canada (1/1)
3- Miami (0/0)
4- Paris (0/0)
Could hardly be more even.
I didn't include 3rd clay and 1st fall because Djoko hasn't played both Fed and Nadal in those 2.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
MC and WTF are both a bit surprising lol
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
It's not h2h between Djokovic and Nadal that vero put up, it's which events does Nadal have more wins vs Djokovic than Fed.
So Federer has never beaten Djokovic at IW, Nadal has once. so it's 1-0, the 1 being his win and the 0 being that lack of Federer wins vs Djokovic there
Just like Fed has 3 wins vs Nole at MC and Nadal has 2.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal vs. Djokovic by event
Australian Open: 1-0 Djokovic (in 2012)
Indian Wells: 2-1 Djokovic (Nadal in 2007, Djokovic in 2008 and 2011)
Miami: 3-0 Djokovic (in 2007, 2011 and 2014)
Monte Carlo: 2-2 (Nadal in 2009 and 2012, Djokovic in 2013 and 2015)
Italian Open: 3-2 Nadal (Nadal in 2007, 2009 and 2012, Djokovic in 2011 and 2014)
Madrid Open: 1-1 (Nadal in 2009, Djokovic in 2011)
Hamburg: 1-0 Nadal (in 2008 )
French Open: 6-1 Nadal (Nadal in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013 and 2014, Djokovic in 2015)
Wimbledon: 1-1 (Nadal in 2007, Djokovic in 2011)
Canadian Open: 1-1 (Djokovic in 2007, Nadal in 2013)
Cincinnati: 2-0 Djokovic (in 2008 and 2009)
US Open: 2-1 Nadal (Nadal in 2010 and 2013, Djokovic in 2011)
Shanghai: 0-0
Paris Indoors: 1-0 Djokovic (in 2009)
YEC: 2-2 (Nadal in 2007 and 2010, Djokovic in 2009 and 2013)
Others
Olympics: 1-0 Nadal (in 2008 )
Davis Cup: 1-0 Nadal (in 2009)
Queen's Club: 1-0 Nadal (in 2008 )
Beijing: 1-0 Djokovic (in 2013)
Australian Open: 1-0 Djokovic (in 2012)
Indian Wells: 2-1 Djokovic (Nadal in 2007, Djokovic in 2008 and 2011)
Miami: 3-0 Djokovic (in 2007, 2011 and 2014)
Monte Carlo: 2-2 (Nadal in 2009 and 2012, Djokovic in 2013 and 2015)
Italian Open: 3-2 Nadal (Nadal in 2007, 2009 and 2012, Djokovic in 2011 and 2014)
Madrid Open: 1-1 (Nadal in 2009, Djokovic in 2011)
Hamburg: 1-0 Nadal (in 2008 )
French Open: 6-1 Nadal (Nadal in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013 and 2014, Djokovic in 2015)
Wimbledon: 1-1 (Nadal in 2007, Djokovic in 2011)
Canadian Open: 1-1 (Djokovic in 2007, Nadal in 2013)
Cincinnati: 2-0 Djokovic (in 2008 and 2009)
US Open: 2-1 Nadal (Nadal in 2010 and 2013, Djokovic in 2011)
Shanghai: 0-0
Paris Indoors: 1-0 Djokovic (in 2009)
YEC: 2-2 (Nadal in 2007 and 2010, Djokovic in 2009 and 2013)
Others
Olympics: 1-0 Nadal (in 2008 )
Davis Cup: 1-0 Nadal (in 2009)
Queen's Club: 1-0 Nadal (in 2008 )
Beijing: 1-0 Djokovic (in 2013)
