lol come on man is that really your argument. Hes only 21? I'm talking about right now. Zverev makes me nervous AF for the final if he gets there. Luckily, it seems it will be Ruud.
RG2024 SF: Carlos Alcaraz[3] v Jannik Sinner[2]
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FernandoBiH
Semi-Pro
You are sure, but I don't see how can Carlos lose final after this match against Zverev or Ruud. Especially, when we know how bad is Zverev's mental aspect.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
What man? You want an asurement that Alcaraz is gonna win? Thats is not how It works, but i definetly dont think he has a match Up disadvantage, zverev is just a great player and can beat anyone on a given day, but Carlos has beat zverev everywhere before and now he has more experience, he is clearly the favourite in an hypothetical final, just take out those 3 losses that Alcaraz had against zed when he was 17 and the head to head is more accurate to what it has been lately
Well what happened in AO 24? Because I thought there was no chance he was gonna mug vs Z and yet he did. Yes I know Z served huge that day but Carlos looked like a lost child. Don’t tell me that match doesn’t still send shivers down your spine. I was mad all day about it. That can happen again.
KantenKlaar
Hall of Fame
Grass was also "supposedly " Alcatraz 's worst surface until it was not.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Congrats to Alcaraz. If anything this match shows why clay is not Alcaraz's best surface least so far. Everyone knows clay is not Sinner's best still very good and could have won this but probably his worst. So i don't understand some still overrate Alcaraz here so many evidence lol. He is quite error prone(esp on day RG matches) he was similiar last year aswell before issue.
About match quality just watch these two face on Wimbledon or USO again. Probably we will see better level because this is not their best slam or surface.
About match quality just watch these two face on Wimbledon or USO again. Probably we will see better level because this is not their best slam or surface.
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TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Of course can happen, but Deep inside, do you think thats is the most likely thing to happen?... No, this is a completely different situation, first, this is a final, if you want to know whats likely to happen, check alkys record in that regard, also, AO was first tournament of the season, kind of an early round too, very different situation, after a match like against sinners, Alcaraz Will be the clear favourite.
Carlos broke 6 of 7 games he had break points.Still Sinner. Economy counts
Sinner broke 6 for 6.
That's a tight match.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Zedrot in the final doesn't make anyone else remotely nervous against Carlos. In fact he's a dream opponent because he's mentally a cipher and always has been. You're acting like this choking cesspool is 2010 Rafa waiting on Sunday. The last time Carlos played Zedrot was a few months ago and the POS won 3 games.
messiahrobins
Legend
I think he matches up better against Alcaraz than Ruud, so it may be 3-4-2 rather than say 1-0-2. Alcaraz has won the event though
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Rattie
Legend
Source?
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
I read It somewhere, maybe at "puntodebreak" spanish site, but they could be wrong, i dont really him mentioning It on the presser
Rattie
Legend
He certainly never mentioned it in English. Can’t see anything on the puntodebreak site either. Perhaps you read something about his cramps
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Missed opportunity for Sinner, disappointing loss for him as he very well could have won this. Probably it would hurt Alcaraz more had he lost. Still good signs for Sinner going forward on his worst surface but he is balanced. Also i don't think surfaces differentiate so much but conditions do so not sure.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
I found It, its at puntodebreak, in the first new of the win, i Will try to send you a pic
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
This! Can't believe how people still debate or don't see. Carlos is natural to clay and he was top 2 fav in both 2022 and 2023 he has unexpected losses on. Compared to Wimbledon with little experience he crushed anyone then beat Djokovic in the final of Wimbledon. His game suits this grass and IW(slow but still HC). He is great at USO. One of these 2 should end up being his best slam.
He is the favourite at Wimbledon imo whether he wins or not in Sunday.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
I cant send from the phone, they said he had cramps "and" a little pain in his already hurted arm, but they didnt specify, i Hope is nothing, he was serving 210kph at the end of the match and hitting great shots, i imagine he will be ok for sunday, i hope he is also ok for wimbly
Rattie
Legend
Don’t worry I’ve found it….finally.
It’s just a comment by the author claiming in the third set Alcaraz’s discomfort in his forearm had returned. Carlos refers to cramps but not a problem with his forearm injury. I think it’s a red herring.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Alcaraz lost last year mainly because of cramp, not because he was uncomfortable. His run to the semis was devastating, he crushed everyone on his path. He was undone by nerves and the lesson he learned, he then took to Wimbledon.
This year, despite playing only three matches on clay, and that too in altitude in Madrid, he has still managed to cruise to the semis, after recovering from injury. The guy is perfectly made for clay, he moves on it perfectly, has the best drop in the game, which is a big part of the clay game, crazy passes he can make.
So, disagree here. Alcaraz will dominate clay over the coming years.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Let's disagree then. Yeah looks like you believe this seeing your comments imo he is far from dominating i feel completely different. Last year in first 2 sets he was also similiar he is quite error prone at times today we saw too. What he did at Wimbledon was very impressive. He was contender only in 23 and he won. His net skills and all sort of his game. On night sessions mostly he crushed his opponents there he is scary. In 2022 he was MP down against ARV i think in earlier rounds aswell. He is great at Madrid but didn't achieve anything so far in MC Rome or RG.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
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Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
My main reason is he is not consistent enough on clay, esp RG. Though all surfaces imo not so different from each other. Top players good everywhere.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Not consistent enough on clay...
lets see
He won back to back titles at Barcelona at sea level, and won back to back titles at Madrid at altitude. He has won Buenos Aires and Rio.
As far at RG is concerned, made the semis last year, and is in the final this year after only playing three matches before hand. No person who isn't natural on the surface basically skips the entire clay season, and then makes the RG final.
And as far as Wimbledon goes, his quarters and semis were against Rune, and Medvedev who are no grass legends, in fact Rune himself was learning the ways of the grass last year. He was very close to losing the final also, had he lost that second set tie break, he was history, something he admitted.
So, I don't see what you see, so happy for us to disagree on this. I think he is made for clay, and will own RG for years to come.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
His serve being not good is just a myth whenever i see least. good percentage + speed. Probably even better now.
He is natural on clay i imagine he trained since his earliest days on clay. Despite all this + expectations he didn't perform well so far there. His greatness, achievements comes from other surfaces slams + masters outside of Madrid which is different than all the other clay tournaments.
Buenos aires rio?? I told as his game is not consistent enough sometimes he is making too much error to be great or dominant at RG. But yeah also his results are not so consistent either.
He beat Djokovic in a Wimbledon final what more do you ask him? Without much experience + staying tough mentally after RG and all the talent he showed. Talking about second set etc in grass final i just told that he saved MP in second round in 2022. On RG he just beat Sinner in 5 not the greatest on the surface.
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Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Before losing he was 1-1 in sets against Djokovic who had his worst clay season up to date in 2023 and struggle in his earlier matches + Alcaraz coming as big favourite. Still he wasn't great there just 1-1. Making similiar errors etc. Maybe he will be better and improve who knows. Let him first win before owning lol.
optic yellow
Legend
can someone please tell me how this match went im too lazy to read
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
True. How you see the final going?
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Idk looks like a weird match up. I'm feeling/expect Alcaraz will play one of his best matches here. But definitely think Z will bring it. Alcaraz will win in 4 i think and will be good match.
Either Alcaraz crushes or Z got big wins so far that's strange. Alcaraz needs to be steady that's for sure. You?
First set, Carlos was off-balance and error-prone while Sinner was dialed in. Second set, Sinner dropped off big time and let Alcaraz get into more of a rhythm. Third set, Sinner looked hurt early on but Carlos took his foot off the accelerator. Sinner recovered and ended up taking it. Fourth set, Alcaraz raised his level to match Sinner’s. Started hitting more and more of his highlight-reel shots while Sinner was clubbing balls like in the first set. Fifth set was similar with Sinner dropping intensity a tad.
Great finish with both guys in strong form in the last two sets. Up and down in the first three, though, with occasionally abysmal tennis peppered in.
Rattie
Legend
Read this for a summary
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I gone for Zverev in 4! However, the longer it goes and if it goes 5 then Alcaraz will win.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Yeah could happen definitely. One thing i forgot Sinner doesn't have high percentage in first serve. Z better here. Impossible to predict we don't know which version of both will show up since they are not the most consistent. Wouldn't surprise with any result.
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Well, we all know the result at this point, so I just wanted to comment on something from early in the match, not related to play (and not related to the ridiculous comments and predictions in here after the first set).
I saw some of the early parts of the match while waiting to play with some friends, and I was surprised to find that nearly everyone was pulling for Sinner. And it seems as though I'm not the only one that is rubbed the wrong way by Carlos' arrogance. I get that not everyone can see it, but I was with a group of NY'ers, and genuine NY'ers are great at reading people. Everyone agreed that Carlos isn't the fun and happy go lucky guy he can appear to be when the stars align. More on that below...
I saw some of the early parts of the match while waiting to play with some friends, and I was surprised to find that nearly everyone was pulling for Sinner. And it seems as though I'm not the only one that is rubbed the wrong way by Carlos' arrogance. I get that not everyone can see it, but I was with a group of NY'ers, and genuine NY'ers are great at reading people. Everyone agreed that Carlos isn't the fun and happy go lucky guy he can appear to be when the stars align. More on that below...
Showing his true colors. I can't believe people still fall for the "nice guy" routine.
It's easy to be a good guy when things are going your way.
mightyjeditribble
Legend
It sounds as though it was a close match and a good win for Carlos. He'll be favourite against Zverev but it's not a given that he'll win. Could be another five setter.
optic yellow
Legend
Do you mean like people from New York?
Rattie
Legend
Can’t stand arrogance; it’s one of my biggest triggers. I had to read people for a living for my whole career and I don’t see arrogance, just supreme confidence and self belief. When he gets annoyed it’s usually at his performance as he knows what he’s capable of. Off court he has a good reputation amongst the players and is a gracious loser. Yes he’s a showman and that’s easily read as arrogance. I hope he doesn’t change. He brings pzazz to the game and I love that.
Juice4080
Semi-Pro
To me Carlos is a good dude and i'll tell you why. Everytime he loses he always gives warm congratulations to the winner no matter what. It's easy to be graceful when you win but the true measure of character is when you lose and Carlos is a gentleman in that aspect. Is he a little cocky sure and he has every right to. Also his press conferences are great because he gives you the unfiltered stuff we all like to hear. Carlos is good people he's fine with me.
Jannik is the one who gave icy congrats to his so called friend
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ghostofMecir
Legend
Bookies and bettors have ultimate respect for Alcaraz. Down 2-4 in the third set, one set each, Sunner, the #1 player in the wold was getting PLUS MONEY odds, i.e., something like +110 to +125. Very, very good final two sets from Carlitos.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Odds had Alcaraz as the favorite over sinner.
You know Sinner grew up playing on clay, right?
TheWizardFromElPalmar
Rookie
That post aged like milk.
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