llgtennislegend
Semi-Pro
Both epic comebacks from 0-2, which one do you prefer?
RG21 or AO22. Which title is more impressive?
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TheNachoMan
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The one in which the greatest ever player at that event played.
nadalvamos
Rookie
easily AUS 2022. Goatdal.
Hm....
Beating the guy who was 105-2 at the tournament... along with Berrettini and Tsitsipas (who was in great form coming into the match)
vs. beating a choking Shapovalov, Berrettini, and then Medvedev (a good player to be sure, but not in the best form - had to save MPs vs. FAA)
Gotta say, anyone taking AO '22 is a propagandist.
Beating the guy who was 105-2 at the tournament... along with Berrettini and Tsitsipas (who was in great form coming into the match)
vs. beating a choking Shapovalov, Berrettini, and then Medvedev (a good player to be sure, but not in the best form - had to save MPs vs. FAA)
Gotta say, anyone taking AO '22 is a propagandist.
MadariKatu
Hall of Fame
Level-wise, RG. For the drama, AO.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
AO22 - Rafa became the first man to win 21 Grand Slam titles 
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duaneeo
Legend
That's enough. No need to mention those other players.
Going by opponents faced:
no one of note in 1/2/3/4R.
Berrettini=Berrettini (he was genuinely better on clay than HC and stronger in the RG match, but let's call it even)
Nadal (yes even injured Nadal) >>> Shapovalov (if you argue this, you are an idiot)
Tsitsipas <= Medvedev (1st two sets about even.. Med served well, but Rafa choked 2nd set.. Tsitsipas was smacking the ball, saved 1st set SP with a great shot, dominant FH - both players then fell apart completely. Will give edge to Medvedev for being slightly less pathetic in sets 3-5, but both were genuinely bad)
The difference between playing Nadal makes this comparison very easily in favor of RG '21.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
RG 21, because RG >>> AO in general
abmk
Bionic Poster
med served at around 55% in 2nd set and was broken 2 times. didn't serve well in that set. meh serving at best.
Tpas > Med
tpas 1st set ~ Med 1st set
tpas 2nd set >> Med 2nd set
not much difference in next 3 sets tbh
djoko was playing an entirely different level in sets 1,3-5 to any set Nadal played in AO 22 final.
nadalvamos
Rookie
Love how you dismiss them but forgot they were literally Novak's 2021 Wimbledon semifinal and final. LOL! You can't have it both ways, either those 2 are mugs, or they are not. if they are mugs, then Novak 2021 Wimbledon is as fake as Nadal's Aus 2022. choose your poison carefully buddy.
Why would I give a **** whether Novak’s 2021 Wimbledon was weak? It was weak…
What poison is there to choose from?
But you are right, a better question would be 22 AO vs Wimby 21, aka two of the weakest Slam wins in the Open era…
spottishwood
Hall of Fame
Dude is himself derailing it lmao
darthrafa
Hall of Fame
in any case, 22 AO is ahead of wimby 21.
berry is much worse than med
in addition, is there nextgen caring abt playing at sw19 until the big 3 retire? it looks they have given up that at this moment
despite the absence of djoker, i think praise shall be given to rafa winning it given it is not his favour court, losing 2 sets already and his age, etc.
it is not easy indeed taking into account all these factors
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
More impressive - Rg 21, More Historic- Ao22
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Cope besties
InsideOut900
Legend
Med was a tad better 1st set. More destructive on the opponent's serve.
Slightly better in the 4th too.
Djokovic played at a level much higher than either Nadal, Medvedev or Tsitsipas in sets 3 & 4 of the FO final, but his intensity dipped in the 5th as I suspect he was getting tired from the long tournament.
Medvedev was maybe a touch better than Tsitsipas, but Djokovic clearly better than Nadal to balance out.
nadalvamos
Rookie
I feel like people don't take into account that Nadal was coming off a 6-month injury and pulled off the miracle. I applaud Novak for winning RG 21, but he faced an injured Nadal on his run. Context matters.
abmk
Bionic Poster
easy to be destructive on opponents's serve when Nadal is serving at 54% and hitting so many UFEs. Djoko was playing good, but not very good in 1st set. Wouldn't trust Med to clutch out that set vs him. Tpas did. Lets just say similar level.
or if you want to order level wise
Tpas 2nd set > Med 1st set
Tpas 1st set >> Med 2nd set
3rd set turned on that one long game. else both were holding comfortably.
5th set: Tpas was broken once and had to save 2 BPs in another game. gave a push in the last game, but still gap more in 5th set than in 3rd set.
yes, Med was a little better in 4th set than Tpas' worst 4th set. But he wasn't playing good enough to even take it to a TB with nadal serving below par. he got broken twice, smh.
both were at similar levels in sets 3 and 5, but Tpas up vs a substantially tougher opponent. Would probably be freed up more vs Nadal.
No way was Med tougher than Tpas.
platypus50
Semi-Pro
RG21
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Can't be the overall GOAT with less Slam titles than the opposition.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
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Deleted member 762343
Guest
Like how can anyone even dare to unironically say it's AO22 ?
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Medvedev struggling against Felix is not a sign he was in bad form. Felix played the match of his live, at a very high level. It's unfair to dismiss that Felix, when he was more than a worthy opponent.
Gotta say, anyone discrediting that great version Felix is a propagandist.
I enjoyed that match but it was a clear step back from even Med’s AO ‘21 pre final form let alone his USO ‘21 form. Not just FAA, he struggled heavily with Cressy.. the tour is beginning to catch up to his deep return style. He was sloppier on serve, less pinpoint with returns, and mentally not as strong on BPs.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is not 105-2 at the Djokovic Open. Stop acting like this "tournament" with roof and night sessions has anything to do with RG which was played until 2019. The conditions are completely different. This is like comparing Madrid on clay with Madrid on indoor hardcourt.
PerilousPear
Professional
BB need to stop like beating Med at AO is some kind of insurmountable summit. FAA of all people nearly did it in QF, and Djokovic did it himself in a much more dominant fashion last year.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
It's strange to ask such questions on this Nadal hating forum. His haters try to ignore at all cost the completely different conditions, and act like RG is the same tournament it used to be. When the truth is, by conditions this is probably Nadal's worst slam now, and Djokovic's best. Nadal actually felt much more comfortable in AO 2022 than on clay at night.
On this forum Nadal's wins are always brought down at all cost while Djokovic's wins are hyped. Just look how Berrettini always turns into a titan when he faces Djokovic. But when Nadal faces him, he is somehow considered a mug. Pretty sure, if you make a poll between Wimbledon 2008 and Wimbledon 2021, 2021 is going to win.
On this forum Nadal's wins are always brought down at all cost while Djokovic's wins are hyped. Just look how Berrettini always turns into a titan when he faces Djokovic. But when Nadal faces him, he is somehow considered a mug. Pretty sure, if you make a poll between Wimbledon 2008 and Wimbledon 2021, 2021 is going to win.
Someone needs to rewatch RG ‘20.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, we saw Nadal playing a night match in the 1/4 finals, and struggling like crazy against Sinner due to it. Had his opponent been Zverev, he would have lost the match in straight sets.
Nadal played better in AO 2022 than in both "RG" 2020 and 2021 (except for one match maybe), that doesn't look weird to you? AO used to be his worst slam, but now it isn't the case anymore. Pretty sure he also played better in AO 2021 than in RG 2021. Higher peak level.
LOL how would you even know mr. “I didn’t watch any of the Australian Open”. And if he struggled with Sinner (not dropping a set either year) what do you call his performance against Shapovalov?
Nadal of RG ‘20 SF/F >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AO ‘22, like it’s so far of a gap I can’t even describe how large.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I agree with you that, overall, Tsitsipas was a tougher opponent at Roland Garros than Medvedev in Australia. But sentences such as the one I bolded don't make sense, because Djokovic couldn't have played Medvedev in Australia without some changes to Djokovic's performance.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
He was lucky not to play these matches at night. While I haven't watched AO 2022, he beat all players from Djokovic's nightmare (according to this forum) Wimbledon 2021 draw, and also beat in-form Medvedev in the final, when a big part of this forum predicted Med to win in straights.
As for Djokovic, he was hardly relevant in RG starting from 2017, and "suddenly" became relevant again when the organizers decided to change the conditions, the schedule, and surface. Yeah, sure, no significant changes at all.
duaneeo
Legend
Since when?
Actually, Federer's wins are the ones always brought down at all costs. Let me change that: Everything about Federer (his wins, his peak years, his contemporaries, his mentality, his dominance...) is brought down at all costs by tag-teaming Nadalovic fans. These two groups of fans aren't as tight as they once were, but they still have to stick together to create the illusion that the past decade has been strong.
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