Right tactic for Djokovic to beat Nadal at RG...

Fritz said:
In 2012 Djokovic from 0-2 in 3th set had started to play some of his best tennis ever, the same one that Nole had been playing vs Berdych in Beijing-14 final and vs Wawrinka in WTF-14. If Djokovic finds that level of tennis in RG it's game over for Nadal.
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You hit the nail right on the head.
That along with his Rome form this year, and Monte Carlo form last year, it is obvious he can stop Nadal on clay.
 
Fritz said:
In 2012 Djokovic from 0-2 in 3th set had started to play some of his best tennis ever, the same one that Nole had been playing vs Berdych in Beijing-14 final and vs Wawrinka in WTF-14. If Djokovic finds that level of tennis in RG it's game over for Nadal.
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It was drizzling, making the court wet.
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
You hit the nail right on the head.
That along with his Rome form this year, and Monte Carlo form last year, it is obvious he can stop Nadal on clay.
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lol........... Since 2011, Novak fans are claiming he'll win FO, and then after the loss, claims the next year is his best option, without honestly giving Nadal credit for the win...

True sour grapes.
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
You hit the nail right on the head.
That along with his Rome form this year, and Monte Carlo form last year, it is obvious he can stop Nadal on clay.
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The only thing that's obvious is that Nadal has lost just once on clay over a best of 5 sets format, during his entire career. Djokovic is 0-7 against Nadal in such attempts.
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
You hit the nail right on the head.
That along with his Rome form this year, and Monte Carlo form last year, it is obvious he can stop Nadal on clay.
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Djoko's Rome-14 form wasn't THAT good, it's just that he played tactically fantastic match with a great variety, while in RG-14 final Djoko was hitting to Nadal's forehand way too much.

I believe Djoko's Rome-11 form was the best one in clay Masters series, he was relentlessly crushing every ball with a fantastic accuracy and great angles. The great thing about the final is that Nadal was also playing some of his best tennis, but still came short. It shows that when ideal attacker meats ideal defender - ideal attacker wins. Same story with Soderling in 4th round of RG-09. When somebody plays such powerful deep strokes , it's impossible to find solutions against that style.

As for Djokovic, his way of beating Rafa at RG is in activating his ''inner robot mode'' when he barely makes any errors, just like he did in 3th set of RG-12 until the match was suspended.
 
clayqueen said:
This is your opinion. Anyway, Nole's best tennis against Berdych doesn't cut it against the King of Clay.
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Nadal is the king of clay, but Djokovic is potentially a better player and when both play at their best it's Djokovic who comes on the top, that's why the surface will not that matter if Nole will be playing without spreading almost any errors.
 
Fritz said:
Nadal is the king of clay, but Djokovic is potentially a better player and when both play at their best it's Djokovic who comes on the top, that's why the surface will not that matter if Nole will be playing without spreading almost any errors.
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This is comedy gold :D

Nadal is the 9-time French Open champion and has lost just once on clay over a best of 5 sets format, yet Djokovic supposedly has a level better than Nadal?
 
Mustard said:
This is comedy gold :D

Nadal is the 9-time French Open champion and has lost just once on clay over a best of 5 sets format, yet Djokovic supposedly has a level better than Nadal?
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Novak himself shows no confidence against Nadal at RG but his fans are so full of it. His fans wouldn't understand. Unlike Novak, they have no idea what it's like to keep losing to Nadal at RG each year. Novak does. You can see it in his body language and his DFs in championship points.
 
Mustard said:
This is comedy gold :D

Nadal is the 9-time French Open champion and has lost just once on clay over a best of 5 sets format, yet Djokovic supposedly has a level better than Nadal?
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That's why I'm saying that Djokovic should be on the same physical level as Nadal because he has advantages in pure tennis abilities that will not be compensated by Nadal's fighting abilities and stamina if Djokovic could match him in physics. When Djokovic was physically in his best form we know what happened - 7-0 in a row domination.
 
Backspin1183 said:
Novak himself shows no confidence against Nadal at RG but his fans are so full of it. His fans wouldn't understand. Unlike Novak, they have no idea what it's like to keep losing to Nadal at RG each year. Novak does. You can see it in his body language and his DFs in championship points.
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Actually it's the other way. Djokovic knows that he could beat Nadal anywhere if he brings his A game. He was crying last time because it was annoying for him that he doesn't have RG trophy till this time. Djokovic would be way more prepared next time and he said after WTF that RG is his main goal in the new season, that's why it's fully expected that Nole will win it next time.
 
Fritz said:
Actually it's the other way. Djokovic knows that he could beat Nadal anywhere if he brings his A game. He was crying last time because it was annoying for him that he doesn't have RG trophy till this time. Djokovic would be way more prepared next time and he said after WTF that RG is his main goal in the new season, that's why it's fully expected that Nole will win it next time.
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Novak has said RG is his top goal for 2-3 seasons now. If Novak was good enough to beat Nadal at RG he'd have already done it at least once in last 6 attempts. He's tried his best and failed each time.
 
Backspin1183 said:
Novak has said RG is his top goal for 2-3 seasons now. If Novak was good enough to beat Nadal at RG he'd have already done it at least once in last 6 attempts. He's tried his best and failed each time.
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If I'm not mistaken Djokovic only in 2013 clearly stated that he knows how to beat Nadal and he's focused on winning RG . And what happened? Djokovic was extremely close to the victory, only 5-6 points away.
 
Fritz said:
If I'm not mistaken Djokovic only in 2013 clearly stated that he knows how to beat Nadal and he's focused on winning RG . And what happened? Djokovic was extremely close to the victory, only 5-6 points away.
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What happened was Djokovic lost....again to Nadal at RG. In 2014, he "still" could not beat Nadal at RG. Move on from this topic already. IF Djokovic defeats Nadal at RG in the future then you can make all kinds of threads but until then Djokovic has failed.
 
For djokovic to win he needs either damp and cold condition or Nadal to have an off day.

Unless he can counter Nadal's DTL forehand which often gives Nadal control of the point.
 
Doesn't matter which tactic he uses v Raf at Roland Garros, Raf the chessmaster counters all of his tactics on the fly. All he can do is hope that Raf injures his knee or back or tears a hamstring or abdominal muscle or something.
 
TheNatural said:
Doesn't matter which tactic he uses v Raf at Roland Garros, Raf the chessmaster counters all of his tactics on the fly. All he can do is hope that Raf injures his knee or back or tears a hamstring or abdominal muscle or something.
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Or this:




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Mustard said:
This is comedy gold :D

Nadal is the 9-time French Open champion and has lost just once on clay over a best of 5 sets format, yet Djokovic supposedly has a level better than Nadal?
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Nadal is infinitely better than Djokovic at the French Open. He proves this every year, and I don't think 2015 will be any different.
 
Fritz said:
Nadal is the king of clay, but Djokovic is potentially a better player and when both play at their best it's Djokovic who comes on the top, that's why the surface will not that matter if Nole will be playing without spreading almost any errors.
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Yes, of course Novak is better.
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That's why Nadal has 14 slams to Nole's 7, 27 M1000s to Nole's 19, and OG to Nole's bronze and leads their h2h 23-19 with 9:3 in slams, has a positive h2h overall against the Big 4 and 25:7 lead against them in slams.
 
Fritz said:
Djokovic can do it, but only if he will not be a physical mess like in FO-14 final.
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And no Paschal Maria in the chair. :lol::lol::lol: You live in a dream world. Djokovic has only ever taken Nadal to 5 sets once at RG in 6 tries and is 0:6 down yet you are arrogant enough to say Djoko is the superior player. I can't imagine what you'd say if he had actually won just once against Nadal there.

Djokovic can't even beat Federer at RG let alone Nadal. Djokovic has been playing at RG for 11 years without a title. Lost 6 times to Rafa and 5 times to players not called Rafa.
 
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He doesn't have to change anything or do anything special. He just needs to not choke. If they both play at top levels, Djokovic wins.
 
Fritz said:
If I'm not mistaken Djokovic only in 2013 clearly stated that he knows how to beat Nadal and he's focused on winning RG . And what happened? Djokovic was extremely close to the victory, only 5-6 points away.
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Djokovic has been saying this ever since 2006 :shock:
Watch the video clip.


from Wikipedia
The first ever meeting between the two occurred at the 2006 French Open in the quarterfinals, where Nadal prevailed after Djokovic was forced to retire with an injury in the third set. This match initiated the rivalry, with Djokovic later commenting to the media that he understood what he needed to do to beat Nadal and claiming Nadal "was beatable on clay".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plbomcLe1rI

Press:
Djokovic felt he had the match under control until his back problem.
Do you agree with that?

Nadal:
"Oh Yes. Laughs
If he said that, it's okay."
 
Mick said:
Djokovic has been saying this ever since 2006 :shock:
Watch the video clip.


from Wikipedia
The first ever meeting between the two occurred at the 2006 French Open in the quarterfinals, where Nadal prevailed after Djokovic was forced to retire with an injury in the third set. This match initiated the rivalry, with Djokovic later commenting to the media that he understood what he needed to do to beat Nadal and claiming Nadal "was beatable on clay".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plbomcLe1rI

Press:
Djokovic felt he had the match under control until his back problem.
Do you agree with that?

Nadal:
"Oh Yes. Laughs
If he said that, it's okay."
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Honestly, on a hot sunny day Nadal is just unstoppable on Chatrier. If Nadal's topspin doesn't kick up as high Djokovic won't tire himself out hitting shoulder high balls and might be able to win.

I still think a big hitter like Del Potro has a better shot all things being equal. He's tall enough to deal with the bounce and has the power to hit through the court if he's in peak condition.
 
NatF said:
Honestly, on a hot sunny day Nadal is just unstoppable on Chatrier. If Nadal's topspin doesn't kick up as high Djokovic won't tire himself out hitting shoulder high balls and might be able to win.

I still think a big hitter like Del Potro has a better shot all things being equal. He's tall enough to deal with the bounce and has the power to hit through the court if he's in peak condition.
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There's something superhuman about Nadal on Chatrier :)

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MichaelNadal said:
There's something superhuman about Nadal on Chatrier :)

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Yeah, boggles the mind that the same kid who first won there in 2005 is still ruling there a decade later. When the chips are down he just finds a gear no one else has on the red stuff.
 
Fritz said:
Should I? The more FO trophies Nadal has means the more valuable will be Djokovic's win over Rafa in next FO.




Djokovic is undefeated vs Nadal at AO. Can you deal with that?:grin:

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Pretty sure I can. Tho I find it hard to deal with that picture of Djokovic. It scares me and reminds me of Norman Bates :? :D
 
I miss Soderling, now he was a worthy #5 player. Much better than the likes of Ferrer IMO. Him and Del Potro not being injured so often would of been great for the game since 10-11.
 
NatF said:
Yeah, boggles the mind that the same kid who first won there in 2005 is still ruling there a decade later. When the chips are down he just finds a gear no one else has on the red stuff.
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Exactly. Longevity to me is an amazing thing. It's what made me gain respect for Federer and Serena. I mean she won the 1999 USO and she's still winning slams, how can anyone be a hater? :lol:
 
Fritz said:
If I'm not mistaken Djokovic only in 2013 clearly stated that he knows how to beat Nadal and he's focused on winning RG . And what happened? Djokovic was extremely close to the victory, only 5-6 points away.
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And what happened?

he lost

"Djokovic was extremely close to the victory"

Arx tarpeia Capitoli proxima

"only 5-6 points away"

I personnaly almost beat the pole vault world record : I passed only 5-6 meters under the bar
 
MichaelNadal said:
Exactly. Longevity to me is an amazing thing. It's what made me gain respect for Federer and Serena. I mean she won the 1999 USO and she's still winning slams, how can anyone be a hater? :lol:
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Serena is ridiculous, end of.

The likes of Nadal, Serena and Federer are actual legends. Beyond the likes of mere all time greats. None of them will be with us forever, better to appreciate what they bring to the table while we can.
 
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