Rios: "Agassi got busted for doping 4 times, but the ATP covered it up"

Drob

Professional
Why, because he’s South American?
Thank you. I believe Rios is in the construction industry with his father, and that he is a construction worker himself, as well as part-owner of the company. I also heard he trains at the gym. Lots of people have tattoos - especially in the USA. These comments would be laughable if they did not indicate a sense of supremacy.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Tbh, I don’t really care or have time for Ríos. What’s most annoying is that people believe everything he has to say, as though he’s some prophet.
Let's see...he was world #1, multiple masters champion, slam finalist, beat Agassi at least 2x I can think of off the top of my head, plus Agassi himself admitted to taking drugs. Some reason we shouldn't believe him over some random person like yourself?
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
So now we can conclude big names can dope and get away with it. What a fine sport this is.
Obviously, I personally have no idea that this is true or not - but it wouldn't surprise me if some star tennis player at some point had doping covered up. It's an individual sport dependent on its stars - so there's an incentive there.
 

OhYes

Legend
Obviously, I personally have no idea that this is true or not - but it wouldn't surprise me if some star tennis player at some point had doping covered up. It's an individual sport dependent on its stars - so there's an incentive there.
Ofc, and what would happen if they get caught ? Scandal of epic proportions that would change everything. I think no governing body is ready for such shake.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Ofc, and what would happen if they get caught ? Scandal of epic proportions that would change everything. I think no governing body is ready for such shake.
Think of the crazy GOAT and Top 10 list debates if we knew for sure player X or Y was doped when winning this or that title.
 

OhYes

Legend
Think of the crazy GOAT and Top 10 list debates if we knew for sure player X or Y was doped when winning this or that title.
And every player who lost a final against that one would be suddenly with inflated resume. Even those who were in qf and sf would start asking questions.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
And every player who lost a final against that one would be suddenly with inflated resume. Even those who were in qf and sf would start asking questions.
I've thought about that - if there was an actual tennis doping scandal that revealed Slam champions to have been illegally doped when they won. Clearly, I would understand people subtracting those titles from that player when making career comparisons, GOAT lists, etc. But, I wouldn't agree with giving credit to the loser for winning that Slam - because they didn't and no one can know for sure if they would have won absent the doping. Essentially, those titles, IMO, would have to be "vacant" Slams - no true winner; no one getting credit. Think of how much insanity that would introduce into GOAT and ATG debates.
 

megamind

Hall of Fame
If it's recreational, not PED, a player shouldn't even be suspended. In that case, he needs help, not punishment.

Major League Baseball is moving in that direction: a player busted for rec drugs will not be suspended, but must follow a rehab protocol. Y. Kuznetsov of the Capitols was suspended by the NHL all of 3 games (out of 82) because of he flucked an international cocaine test. He was however permanently kicked out of the Russian national team. Apparently, with Russia, all PED's are highly recommended, but cocaine is a definite no-no.

Didn't, in tennis, Evans lose a whole year because of cocaine?
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Kicked out for keeping the drugs all to himself!!!
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Why, because he’s South American?
Smells a lot like racism to me.

You obviously need some Afrin.

So even though he has no history with drugs, because he’s South American and you don’t like him he’s probably a drug dealer?

Not racist at all. :rolleyes:
Gee, I must have missed something.....when did South America become a race unto itself?

And the prevalence of drug cartels, drug smuggling and drugs in general in South America has to do with race? So crime is a race? So then being anti-crime is racist by your logic? Ergo, when they killed Tony Montana in Scarface, that was a hate crime?

I thought if you didn't like another country or specifically the people from another country you were xenophobic.

And if you grouped people because of circumstance, you were guilty of stereotyping.

I think Rios saying "All gringos are $h*t" is more racist than anything @Druss posted.

BTW, I'm a huge Rios fan. But this lumping of all things into racism is just plain ridiculous.

@Druss @BorgCash - @Druss is 100% correct. Australia was, at one time (and not long ago), the #2 apartheid state in the world behind South Africa. That said, Australia never had a terrorist attack until after they became more mainline and eased their immigration laws.

I personally have always and still admire Australians and their general attitude toward life and others. But the fact remains that because they could effectively control their borders, they did. Good or bad? There are always two sides to every issue.
 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I don’t necessarily disbelieve Rios. But I can’t help but wonder why he chose to bring this up now....
Maybe because nobody asked him til now? :)

And I gotta say, between the two of them, I believe Rios is by far the more honest.
 
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Cashman

Professional
I thought if you didn't like another country or specifically the people from another country you were xenophobic.
This reminds me of the creeps who are really particular about the difference between paedophilia and ephebophilia because they don’t want to think of themselves as paedos.

Australia never had a terrorist attack until after they became more mainline and eased their immigration laws.
But you’re not a racist. :-D
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
This reminds me of the creeps who are really particular about the difference between paedophilia and ephebophilia because they don’t want to think of themselves as paedos.


But you’re not a racist. :-D
Very simply put, you are ignorant of meaning, but at least you're "woke" and politically correct; although I don't know that I'd be proud of either.
 

Cashman

Professional
Very simply put, you are ignorant of meaning, but at least you're "woke" and politically correct; although I don't know that I'd be proud of either.
Xenophobia and racism often go hand in hand. Yourself and the previous poster are exhibits B and A respectively.

If quibbling over definitions makes you feel better about being a ****ty person, by all means do so.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@Cashman yeah you’re right, what do facts matter? And I'm not the one telling everyone else how "wrong" they are.... Own a mirror?
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
I don’t necessarily disbelieve Rios. But I can’t help but wonder why he chose to bring this up now....
Not sure why now but he's had a bee in his bonnet about doping ever since he learned that the guy he lost to in his only Slam final (1998 AO) was later busted for doping (Petr Korda).
 
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PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Not sure why now but he's had a bee in his bonnet about doping ever since he learned that the guy he lost to in his only Slam final (1998 AO) was later busted for doping (Petr Korda).
Can understand that. Just ask swimmer Sharon Davies!
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
Not sure why now but he's had a bee in his bonnet about doping ever since he learned that the guy he lost to in his only Slam final (1998 AO) was later busted for doping (Petr Korda).
Lol seems like more often than not Rios has had a bee in his bonnet about something. ;)

Although, I agree...I can see why that issue in particular would be bothersome.
 

WilPro

Rookie
Murica always had the power to push their sportsman through all kind of cheating. See Serena Williams for example, greatest cheater of all time, got away with tons of illegal things.
 

Arvid

Rookie
I wonder if Agassi is doing ok these days? The videos ive seen of him from recent years i think he looks weird, something is not right with him, hes either drinking to much, hooked on some kind of medication or both....
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
I wonder if Agassi is doing ok these days? The videos ive seen of him from recent years i think he looks weird, something is not right with him, hes either drinking to much, hooked on some kind of medication or both....
There are members here like @OnTheLine from Vegas who have seen Andre and Steffi hitting quite a bit and I believe they say Andre is hitting great and looking good and very friendly iirc.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
There are members here like @OnTheLine from Vegas who have seen Andre and Steffi hitting quite a bit and I believe they say Andre is hitting great and looking good and very friendly iirc.
He still hits like a monster. Is very friendly to all at the club. He walks like his knees, back and hips hurt ... and given his career they probably do. Yeah, he has a regular person's middle age spread kind of look. From seeing him in person from just a few feet away, can't say I see anything amiss.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Not sure why now but he's had a bee in his bonnet about doping ever since he learned that the guy he lost to in his only Slam final (1998 AO) was later busted for doping (Petr Korda).
It was reported last year (mainly by clickbaity tennis sites, so take it with a ton of salt) that Rios would've liked Korda's AO title to be given to him because of the doping
 

Arvid

Rookie
There are members here like @OnTheLine from Vegas who have seen Andre and Steffi hitting quite a bit and I believe they say Andre is hitting great and looking good and very friendly iirc.
Ok i really hope im completely wrong as he was always one of my absolute favourite players to watch and seems like a great guy of the court to! Maybe its just weight gain that makes him look a bit weird....hope so!
 

NicoMK

Semi-Pro
Murica always had the power to push their sportsman through all kind of cheating. See Serena Williams for example, greatest cheater of all time, got away with tons of illegal things.
:-D
Agree. She's not the only one though.
 
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