Rip Your Slice for a Backhand Lob (Slice Backhand Lob)!

shug

Rookie
You can rip a backhand, you can rip a forehand, Rip your slice backhand for a lob. You can use this shot for a lob or a drop shot. The quickest way to master this shot is to do it without fear. doing it without fear will allow your mind (with no fear), and your body to sync'up and feel the shot. do it during a match, and doing it without fear of loosing.

What this shot will do for you:
if doing the slice backhand lob, it will get you over a tall person reach (once mastered) with control. The amount of backspin on the ball will keep the ball from going out (if your rip it). The ball has pace and control at the same time. Players would rush the net, hit an approach shot to my back hand, and just as they were getting their split step on at the net, the ball is sailing over their heads, heading for the back baseline. There was no effort to move back to the back baseline to hit a return shot.

Rip the slice with the same amount effort as you would with a forehand or backhand winner. The only difference is there is about 10% push and 90% rip/slice.

The Shot can be done when the ball is taken out the air or after the bounce and the ball is going back down, meaning your are slicing the back up.

The shot starts with your arm rapped around your neck. The inside bend of your elbow is pretty much at your chin, your body is turned at the waist, The racquet is pretty much behind your head and up in the air. As the ball approaches, the motion is ripping (and pushing at the same time) down at approx. a 45 degree angle (like a cutting your throat motion).

Without the racquet, take your hand like you are holding a racquet stick your thumb out (just like they do in the movies when someone make a "you're done motion" with their thumb at their neck), place your thumb up behind the ear, and about half ways the ear, and make a downward motion at approx a 45 degree angle.

Remember, this shot will not work if you are afraid of it. As with all shots get over the fear of loosing, Allow your mind and your body to sync'up to get the job done.

Same shot Rip The Drop, your opponent (if mid court) will not know if you're going to lob'em or drop'em!

The key to the mastery of these shots is a lack of fear to execute. ATTACK THE SHOTS

Use cases:
1. Net rushers,
2. Tall Player at the net
3. Tall players mid court
 
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S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
You can rip a backhand, you can rip a forehand, Rip your slice backhand for a lob. You can use this shot for a lob or a drop shot. The quickest way to master this shot is to do it without fear. doing it without fear will allow your mind (with no fear), and your body to sync'up and feel the shot. do it during a match, and doing it without fear of loosing.

What this shot will do for you:
if doing the slice backhand lob, it will get you over a tall person reach (once mastered) with control. The amount of backspin on the ball will keep the ball from going out (if your rip it). The ball has pace and control at the same time. Players would rush the net, hit an approach shot to my back hand, and just as they were getting their split step on at the net, the ball is sailing over their heads, heading for the back baseline. There was no effort to move back to the back baseline to hit a return shot.

Rip the slice with the same amount effort as you would with a forehand or backhand winner. The only difference is there is about 10% push and 90% rip/slice.

The Shot can be done when the ball is taken out the air or after the bounce and the ball is going back down, meaning your are slicing the back up.

The shot starts with your arm rapped around your neck. The inside bend of your elbow is pretty much at your chin, your body is turned at the waist, The racquet is pretty much behind your head and up in the air. As the ball approaches, the motion is ripping (and pushing at the same time) down at approx. a 45 degree angle (like a cutting your throat motion).

Without the racquet, take your hand like you are holding a racquet stick your thumb out (just like they do in the movies when someone make a "you're done motion" with their thumb at their neck), place your thumb up behind the ear, and about half ways the ear, and make a downward motion at approx a 45 degree angle.

Remember, this shot will not work if you are afraid of it. As with all shots get over the fear of loosing, Allow your mind and your body to sync'up to get the job done.

Same shot Rip The Drop, your opponent (if mid court) will not know if you're going to lob'em or drop'em!

The key to the mastery of these shots is a lack of fear to execute. ATTACK THE SHOTS

Use cases:
1. Net rushers,
2. Tall Player at the net
3. Tall players mid court

I strongly disagree. To "rip" the ball as you're describing, I have to be able to translate almost all of the swing's energy into spin and very little into drive. This is going to be extremely difficult to control: it will look spectacular if I can pull it off but I will most likely make a lot of errors.

Take the drop shot, since that's the most extreme example. The DS, like the lob, is a touch shot [even the TS lob is still a lot of touch]. You could try and hit extreme backspin, enough to make the ball come back on to your side of the net, but that's low %. Even the pros don't typically use that much backspin. Much better would be to use a moderate amount of backspin and just place the ball so that it's difficult for your opponent; it doesn't have to be a winner to be effective; just enough to get them up to the net off-balance.

To pull this off, I need a high degree of control; "ripping" the shot is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to achieve.

One other thing: if I lob with an extreme amount of backspin, that will make it easier for my opponent to chase down since the ball, after it bounces, will check up and even move back towards the net. The TS lob is ideal but that's a difficult shot so I usually stick with mild backspin lobs. My goal isn't to win the point off of the lob but rather to kick my opponent off of the net and allow me to move forward.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
You can rip a backhand, you can rip a forehand, Rip your slice backhand for a lob. You can use this shot for a lob or a drop shot. The quickest way to master this shot is to do it without fear. doing it without fear will allow your mind (with no fear), and your body to sync'up and feel the shot. do it during a match, and doing it without fear of loosing.

What this shot will do for you:
if doing the slice backhand lob, it will get you over a tall person reach (once mastered) with control. The amount of backspin on the ball will keep the ball from going out (if your rip it). The ball has pace and control at the same time. Players would rush the net, hit an approach shot to my back hand, and just as they were getting their split step on at the net, the ball is sailing over their heads, heading for the back baseline. There was no effort to move back to the back baseline to hit a return shot.

Rip the slice with the same amount effort as you would with a forehand or backhand winner. The only difference is there is about 10% push and 90% rip/slice.

The Shot can be done when the ball is taken out the air or after the bounce and the ball is going back down, meaning your are slicing the back up.

The shot starts with your arm rapped around your neck. The inside bend of your elbow is pretty much at your chin, your body is turned at the waist, The racquet is pretty much behind your head and up in the air. As the ball approaches, the motion is ripping (and pushing at the same time) down at approx. a 45 degree angle (like a cutting your throat motion).

Without the racquet, take your hand like you are holding a racquet stick your thumb out (just like they do in the movies when someone make a "you're done motion" with their thumb at their neck), place your thumb up behind the ear, and about half ways the ear, and make a downward motion at approx a 45 degree angle.

Remember, this shot will not work if you are afraid of it. As with all shots get over the fear of loosing, Allow your mind and your body to sync'up to get the job done.

Same shot Rip The Drop, your opponent (if mid court) will not know if you're going to lob'em or drop'em!

The key to the mastery of these shots is a lack of fear to execute. ATTACK THE SHOTS

Use cases:
1. Net rushers,
2. Tall Player at the net
3. Tall players mid court
Yikes, why would anyone do this? Putting more underspin on a lob just makes it easier for your opponent to get to the ball and smash it down your throat. Nobody is going to get beat by a lob with tons of underspin; even if it goes over their heads, the underspin will give them time to chase it down. Increased racquet head speed on a slice also increases the likelihood of a mishit

Your best hope if you do this is that they mess it up somehow. But that's not likely unless you are playing at a level where you can get away with pretty much anything.

If you are going to lob you are usually in a bad position and you're forced to basically just block it and send it up. Or if you have enough time, the topspin lob is a much better option. Not only does it give you more margin, but it also bounces away from your opponents.
 
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S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Yikes, why would anyone do this? Putting underspin on a lob just makes it easier for your opponent to get to the ball and smash it down your throat. Nobody is going to get beat by a sliced lob; even if it goes over their heads, the underspin will give them time to chase it down. Your best hope is that they mess it up somehow. But that's not likely unless you are playing at 3.5, but at that level you can get away with pretty much anything. Increased racquet head speed on a slice also increases the likelihood of a mishit

If you are going to lob you are usually in a bad position and you're forced to basically just block it and send it up. Or if you have enough time, the topspin lob is a much better option. Not only does it give you more margin, but it also bounces away from your opponents.

Another point is that, in order to "rip" the lob, my racquet face angle has to be near-perfect: too open and the lob will stay on my side of the net; too closed and it sails over the back fence. I only have a very small margin of error to nail it just right. That's not a formula for success and consistency.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Another point is that, in order to "rip" the lob, my racquet face angle has to be near-perfect: too open and the lob will stay on my side of the net; too closed and it sails over the back fence. I only have a very small margin of error to nail it just right. That's not a formula for success and consistency.
Sometimes you can take calculated risks in tennis and hope for some kind of reward. My problem with this idea is that there is no reward. It's worse than (or at most as good as) simply blocking the ball up with minimal slice even if you make the shot
 

shug

Rookie
Sometimes you can take calculated risks in tennis and hope for some kind of reward. My problem with this idea is that there is no reward. It's worse than (or at most as good as) simply blocking the ball up with minimal slice even if you make the shot

I did say master the shot, the shot requires near perfect execution. But so does ripping a backhand, and so does ripping a forehand.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
I did say master the shot, the shot requires near perfect execution. But so does ripping a backhand, and so does ripping a forehand.

This is a high risk/high reward approach that is possible but highly unlikely for a typical rec player to master.

If you put that much backspin on your lob, doesn't that make it easier for me to catch up to it since after the bounce it will move towards me rather than away?
 

E46luver

Professional
whoever wrote this is lacking a basic understanding of tennis
if u slice a lob, it will go long this is why no one slices lobs lob needs topspin to clear net and still drop inside the line
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Slice lobs, topspin lobs and deflection lobs all have their place in the lob game.

The advantage of the slice lob is that once it reaches its apex it descends very steeply and the back spin means it tends to spin off the opponents racket into the net. Makes it very hard to execute an OH on. And if you let it bounce it moves away from the opponent meaning they may get caught flat footed and whiff at the ball entirely. The disadvantage to the slice lob is it's easy to frame the shot and put up a weak sitter or if you hit it too clean it can sail and float long or up into the roof.

The way i think of them is, first off, I only hit topspin or slice lobs if I'm set up well to do so. If not, it's flick or deflection lobs just to get out of trouble. If I'm against two up and have time, the topspin lob is superior since it will bounce away from the chasing opponents and will typically win the point. Against 1 up, 1 back the slice lob over the net man is my preference since its harder for him to OH if its short and it bounces funny if the net guy leaves it for the baseline opponent. Get enough spin and you can see some heroic misses.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
if u slice a lob, it will go long this is why no one slices lobs lob needs topspin to clear net and still drop inside the line

If you slice a lob with too much forward momentum it will go long. If you either don't use as much forward momentum or hit it at a sharper angle, it will go in. TS brings it down sooner but even Nadalian TS won't help some lobs.

And, of course, everyone slices lobs from beginners to GS champions. If you want to aggressively lob to hit a winner, TS is usually the best choice. But an aggressive lob isn't always the best choice.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
The advantage of the slice lob is that once it reaches its apex it descends very steeply

All objects fall at 9.8m/s^2, regardless of spin [I'm ignoring 2nd order effects like drag or wind resistance, etc]. The trajectory the ball takes [ie the sharpness of the curve] will be different but not the force of gravity. Galileo conducted his experiment with different weights but you could just as easily do it with different spins.

If you want to look at trajectory, the TS will have the sharpest slope, followed by flat, then backspin.

and the back spin means it tends to spin off the opponents racket into the net. Makes it very hard to execute an OH on.

Backspin does cause people to dump volleys into the net but I don't think it's nearly as much of a factor with OHs. At least, I can't remember when an opponent hit a lob with so much slice that I netted the OH. I net OHs all of the time so it would be difficult to pin it down just to spin. If anything, I would think a backspin lob will force me to have a contact point further from the net than a lob with TS and if I don't adjust, I'd end up hitting long. It's the TS lobs that I would tend to net.

And if you let it bounce it moves away from the opponent meaning they may get caught flat footed and whiff at the ball entirely.

But the bounce is predictable based on how you contacted the lob: if I see you hit sidespin, I can figure out which way the ball is going to bounce and adjust. If I don't read spin then I can see having difficulty.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
I did say master the shot, the shot requires near perfect execution. But so does ripping a backhand, and so does ripping a forehand.
I don't care how perfect your execution is; it is a fundamentally unsound shot that offers little to no advantage over the most basic of blocked lobs

This is the kind of shot you go for when you are just messing around, kind of like trying to make a drop shot bounce back to your side of the net. It's not something that can be reliably used in competition against half-decent players... which is why you don't see pros attempt this
 

shug

Rookie
This shot (of these shots: lob and drop) is not for the faint of heart. This shot is for those that believe just like there are innovations in racquet and string technologies (and everywhere else...), there can be innovations in shots, just like there has been for years. I'm not here looking for approval, I'm here sharing something that I know works, and works like a charm. This shot is for innovators willing to try something new. This shot is for those that think "is there something new, something that has not been tried before". Thinking out of the box.

As racquet tech changed, so did the forehands (windshield wiper). But you can not have a closed mind. THIS FRAME OF MIND IS NOT FOR EVERYONE.
 
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S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
This shot (of these shots: lob and drop) is not for the faint of heart. This shot is for those that believe just like there are innovations in racquet and string technologies (and everywhere else...), there can be innovations in shots, just like there has been for years. I'm not here looking for approval, I'm here sharing something that I know works, and works like a charm. This shot is for innovators willing to try something new. This shot is for those that think "is there something new, something that has not been tried before". Thinking out of the box.

As racquet tech changed, so did the forehands (windshield wiper). But you can not have a closed mind. THIS FRAME OF MIND IS NOT FOR EVERYONE.

It's not a good idea for modern racquets and strings for the same reason it was not a good idea with wood racquets and gut strings: because the bio-mechanics of a lob are essentially that of a touch shot and ripping the ball is the exact opposite of touch.

I've got an open mind but you haven't supplied any evidence that this could consistently work. Show me someone besides Bahrami who uses this idea as the basis of their lobs, drop shots, and drop volleys. Not a one-off but consistently.
 
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