Roddick (2009 Wimbledon Final) vs Djokovic (2015 Wimbledon Final)

Roddick (2009 Wimbledon Final) vs Djokovic (2015 Wimbledon Final)

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Who do you think wins this if they were to play in a Wimbledon final. Both playing at their very best. I personally thought Roddick played an incredible match and probably should've beaten Federer that day if he hadn't flubbed easy shots in the 2nd set tiebreak. If Roddick brought that same form against God-Djokovic from the Wimbledon 2015 final, who takes it?
 
I've got Roddick here. Karlovic took down Djoker in 2015 on a surface that wasn't as fast as grass. Kyrgios beat Djokovic twice in a few months without dropping a set. In one match, Kyrgios dropped 25 aces on Djokoer. Bomb servers can give Djokovic troubles. I think that Roddick in his early years(2003-2005) was far tougher on grass than in 2009. But even then, I'd still take 2009 Roddick over 2015 Djoker at Wimbledon. It's all about match ups. And I don't like this match up for Djokovic, despite how great Djokovic is.
 
Roddick's wins against Djokovic came in 09' and '10, not the same as Djokovic with the "software upgrade". I'm not buying him winning that match against Djokovic who was handling a Federer who was serving and playing well from the ground and got taken out in 4.
 
Novak in 5, tough match-up for him (and Roddick in great form, matching Goran's 2001 ace per match count) but he would prevail.
 
Djokovic in 5 sets, but barely.
Could go the other way as well.

Edit : Actually now that I come to think about it, Wim 09 was faster than normal (I mean compared to other Wimbledons in this century) due to the hotter conditions. That may tilt it slightly in Roddick's favour as opposed to in Wim 15 conditions.
 
EloQuent said:
Was Roddick's level in 09 higher than 03-05?
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Higher than 2005 for sure I'd say (that's when he ditched Gilbert and started using that powderpuff FH). 2003 and especially 2004 I don't think so, better mobility and FH but worse BH and worse serving compared to 2009 version.
 
zagor said:
Higher than 2005 for sure I'd say (that's when he ditched Gilbert and started using that powderpuff FH). 2003 and especially 2004 I don't think so, better mobility and FH but worse BH and worse serving.
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Federer also returned far better in those years.
 
EloQuent said:
Was Roddick's level in 09 higher than 03-05?
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Roddick played his best match possibly ever in the Wimbledon 2009 final in terms of serve, defense, and offense. He was even hitting BH down the lines against Federer and putting Federer out of position. It was an amazing performance. The demons in Roddick's head did him in unfortunately.
 
zagor said:
Higher than 2005 for sure I'd say (that's when he ditched Gilbert and started using that powderpuff FH). 2003 and especially 2004 I don't think so, better mobility and FH but worse BH and worse serving.
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I'm not even sure Roddick was fully fit that match. He got injured right after and his serving was slower than usual in that period.
 
StANDAA said:
Federer also returned far better in those years.
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No doubt, 2003 and 2004 was peak Returnerer on grass. However I was talking about Roddick's serving performance as a whole, I'd never seen him serve as well as he did throughout 2009 WImbledon and I also think his BH improved under Stefanki.
 
Red Rick said:
I'm not even sure Roddick was fully fit that match. He got injured right after and his serving was slower than usual in that period.
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2005? Yeah, I think I remember. That's the year he also had that shock 1st round loss to Muller at USO if I'm not mistaken.
 
Mike Sams said:
Roddick played his best match possibly ever in the Wimbledon 2009 final in terms of serve, defense, and offense. He was even hitting BH down the lines against Federer and putting Federer out of position. It was an amazing performance. The demons in Roddick's head did him in unfortunately.
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Roddick 'working on his backhand' meaning hitting crosscourt rally balls all day is one of the most annoying thing in tennis ever. If anything he needed a little bit more angle and pace on that backhand cross court and a decent backhand down the line and he would've been good. But he almost never hit it dtl but it would've added SOOO much to his game
 
True Fanerer said:
I'm saying Roddick. Djokovic always had trouble with Andy's serve. Roddick won all of their matches in 2009 and wasn't the same player when they met in London in 2012.
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I do think it'd be a very tough contest but whenever I see hypothetical questions like this I always believe the player who actually won the title, and numerous times at that, should be afforded a little more respect than the guy who never lifted the trophy(even if we understand why he didn't).
 
StANDAA said:
Please stop comparing Roddick to the Stiffmeister. I mean he’s funny but he’s not Andy.
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Djokovic2011 said:
I do think it'd be a very tough contest but whenever I see hypothetical questions like this I always believe the player who actually won the title, and numerous times at that, should be afforded a little more respect than the guy who never lifted the trophy(even if we understand why he didn't).
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For me it's just the matchup issue. Djokovic has trouble with the biggest servers in the game. Would be a close match no doubt.
 
Djokovic, without a doubt.
He had a monster return and extremely solid baseline tennis, too strong for Roddick. Yes, we can think about what happens if he would serve perfectly, but we know the answer, you cannot serve good enough against prime Djokovic. Andy would face too many returned serves, and against Djoker he just has almost no chance from the baseline.
Djokovic, clearly, in 3 or 4 sets.
(Edit: even if it's a close match, Djokovic is a lot stronger mentally(lets just take Roddicks missed volleys having chance for 2-0 lead in '09)
 
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Hard to say. Fed 09, Roddick 09 and Nole 15 are very similar level. But, Roddick 2003-05 would destroy Nole. Roddick was 32-0 versus the field on grass at the time.
 
Djokovic was very good in the 2015 final. And I'm not at all sure that the Roddick of 2009 was more dangerous than the Roddick of 2004. He probably served more consistently well in 2009, true. But Djokovic of 2015 was a lot better on return than Federer of 2009. Now, Roddick of 2004 v Djokovic of 2014 would be a tight one, I think.
 
Djokovic would have creamed Roddick in straight sets. The supposed grass GOAT got brushed aside in 4 sets in the 2015 Wimbledon final and you think the one dimensional Roddick would stand a chance against a peak Djokovic? :p
 
Sunny Ali said:
Djokovic would have creamed Roddick in straight sets. The supposed grass GOAT got brushed aside in 4 sets in the 2015 Wimbledon final and you think the one dimensional Roddick would stand a chance against a peak Djokovic? :p
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Roddick would cream Djokovic. The supposed good grass player who struggled to beat old Fed in W final, was destroyed by Murray lol. Can't even win a set from Murray. Roddick was 32-0 on grass versus the field in his peak.

We can all play this silly game.
 
Have to go with Djokovic here. Roddick took it to five sets against a very sub par Federer in the 2009 final. Fed in 2004-2007 would have won this in four sets. Djoker's ROS has always been superior to Fed, so I think Novak beats Andy in four tight sets.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Have to go with Djokovic here. Roddick took it to five sets against a very sub par Federer in the 2009 final. Fed in 2004-2007 would have won this in four sets. Djoker's ROS has always been superior to Fed, so I think Novak beats Andy in four tight sets.
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Federer's return matches up relatively great vs Roddick compared to Djokovic. Djokovic is better at hard and deep returns vs average 1st servers and punishing weak 2nd serves, neither which Roddick really gives. I don't think anyone ever returned Roddick's serve like Federer did in his prime.
 
Djokovic in 5 if it's the finals. 03-04 Roddick would be better suited as mentioned as well as on the grass speed of those days.
 
metsman said:
Djokovic in 5 if it's the finals. 03-04 Roddick would be better suited as mentioned as well as on the grass speed of those days.
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The 2004 final is super underrated only because it didn't go to 5 sets.

The 2009 final for me was definitely a lower level by both, but because it went 5 because Federer was very unclutch returning in the first place. He won way more return points than Roddick and should've broken him a few times in the first 4 sets.
 
Red Rick said:
Federer's return matches up relatively great vs Roddick compared to Djokovic. Djokovic is better at hard and deep returns vs average 1st servers and punishing weak 2nd serves, neither which Roddick really gives. I don't think anyone ever returned Roddick's serve like Federer did in his prime.
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Federer's return in 09 was very shoddy, but Roddick still broke him twice in 4 sets and 09 Wimbledon is maybe Federer's best serving tournament. Just shows you the difference in Federer's dynamism in the earlier years compared to his late prime, where he had already started to be more or else a late career Pete type player against top opponents, servebot and pick and choose on the return.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Have to go with Djokovic here. Roddick took it to five sets against a very sub par Federer in the 2009 final. Fed in 2004-2007 would have won this in four sets. Djoker's ROS has always been superior to Fed, so I think Novak beats Andy in four tight sets.
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With respect, Novak can't even take a set from Murray on grass.
 
metsman said:
Federer's return in 09 was very shoddy, but Roddick still broke him twice in 4 sets and 09 Wimbledon is maybe Federer's best serving tournament. Just shows you the difference in Federer's dynamism in the earlier years compared to his late prime, where he had already started to be more or else a late career Pete type player against top opponents, servebot and pick and choose on the return.
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Fed wasn't really cruising all that much on return honestly. He was in quite a few games, especially early on in the match, and then Roddick saved a load of bp's at 4-4 to win the first set kind of out of nowhere.

As for how clutch Fed was serving, I'm not sure you should get broken twice and save many bps if you're winning almost 80% of serve points.

And at 28% return points won, he should definitely break more than once in 38 games. If players are cruising on return, they overperfrom in breaking compared to %points won.
 
Red Rick said:
The 2004 final is super underrated only because it didn't go to 5 sets.

The 2009 final for me was definitely a lower level by both, but because it went 5 because Federer was very unclutch returning in the first place. He won way more return points than Roddick and should've broken him a few times in the first 4 sets.
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Roddick served at 70% and hit 5 unreturnables on 7 break points so that explains it. But still, pre-08 Fed rarely let Roddick serve at that high a percentage and win that many points on the first. USO 07 is a good example, Roddick might have served even better on that day and was definitely better from the baseline.
 
metsman said:
Roddick served at 70% and hit 5 unreturnables on 7 break points so that explains it. But still, pre-08 Fed rarely let Roddick serve at that high a percentage and win that many points on the first. USO 07 is a good example, Roddick might have served even better on that day and was definitely better from the baseline.
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I think Roddick winning in the low 40s on 2nd serve vs Federer was pretty normal. If anything Roddick was better at 1st serve than usual.
 
Sunny Ali said:
Djokovic would have creamed Roddick in straight sets. The supposed grass GOAT got brushed aside in 4 sets in the 2015 Wimbledon final and you think the one dimensional Roddick would stand a chance against a peak Djokovic? :p
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Forgot to say supposed 34 year old heavily declined GOAT got brushed aside by a top 3 all time player in his peak age, but whatever makes you sleep better at night.
 
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