Roddick/Hewitt vs Medvedev/Zverev/Tsitsipas at the AO

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Another mug poll. Debate competition vs results etc. The poll's a bit complicated since Roddick/Hewitt and Zverev/Tsitsipas are close so I didn't order them; the only clear distinction is Medvedev being above Zverev and Tsitsipas (better results and H2H in the same era).
I'm obviously voting for the first option given the competition aka stronk/wicked era factor, not that anyone would expect differently (lol). Sadlad has three finals but the way he lost those finals was roflmao and I have more respect for Roddick's and Hewitt's best losses than that; Zod/Tsits goes without saying - Z will choke, Teat will mug up.

 

[GrassMasters]

2004-2007 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-2023

 

[TennisGrandpA]

I thought Fed fans thought These two would beat Sinnercraz in absolute term and now we have this thread ?lol

 

[TennisGrandpA]

2004-2007 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-2023

2018-2019 had 3 Old ATG who were playing better tennis than third tier players

 

[RS]

I would probably give Med the edge but not the rest.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

I would probably give Med the edge but not the rest.

On Hc maybe

 

[RS]

On Hc maybe

I am talking about AO which is the question.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Roddick first despite never making the final. Tsitsipas probably last, although his straight set win over baby Sinner can look cool in hindsight.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Gonna have to go Medvedev here. He made 3 AO finals - one being hurt and spending 26 hours on court in 24’. Hewitt a close second.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

I am talking about AO which is the question.

oh then none of these warriors gave any remarkable performances there, Meds made 3 finals and came close twice so he is ahead by a significant distance

 

[RS]

Gonna have to go Medvedev here. He made 3 AO finals - one being hurt and spending 26 hours on court in 24’. Hewitt a close second.

Yeah I could see Hewitt as a close 2nd given the AO 05 run.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

I am talking about AO which is the question.

Lol I think it’s in the title too.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Yeah I could see Hewitt as a close 2nd given the AO 05 run.

I believe he defeated Roddick in the SF that year too.

 

[NatF]

Roddick and Hewitt are better anywhere but RG regardless of results. Much tougher competition.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

Roddick and Hewitt are better anywhere but RG regardless of results. Much tougher competition.

Lmao , Meddy alone played more finals than these two titans combined at AO and played 2 five setters and came close unlike your favourite titans. You’re as biased as Abmk lol

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Roddick and Hewitt are better anywhere but RG regardless of results. Much tougher competition.

Maybe so.
Roddick has even stated medvedev doesn’t get the credit he deserves despite what is on his resume.
Interesting conversation as Hewitt and Med at their best were quite similar in style. Roddick the big serve and forehand game. I think his movement got better with time. But still not good enough in that era.

 

[NatF]

Maybe so.
Roddick has even stated medvedev doesn’t get the credit he deserves despite what is on his resume.
Interesting conversation as Hewitt and Med at their best were quite similar in style. Roddick the big serve and forehand game. I think his movement got better with time. But still not good enough in that era.

Don't care what Roddick these days says. Medvedev lost twice from two sets up and got straight setted by Djokovic with a torn ab lol. Midvedev would lose to both Hewitt and Roddick’s on their best days more often than not.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Don't care what Roddick these days says. Medvedev lost twice from two sets up and got straight setted by Djokovic with a torn ab lol. Midvedev would lose to both Hewitt and Roddick’s on their best days more often than not.

Would be a good match between the 3 for sure.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Don't care what Roddick these days says. Medvedev lost twice from two sets up and got straight setted by Djokovic with a torn ab lol. Midvedev would lose to both Hewitt and Roddick’s on their best days more often than not.

Medvedev on his best day is a beast as well (can't imagine Roddick having much fun playing him). Hate these hypotheticals tho, absoluely useless stuff.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Medvedev on his best day is a beast as well. Hate these hypotheticals tho, absoluely useless stuff.

No one likes medvedev on this forum despite what he’s done.
When you see practice sessions baseline view and actual players who’ve played and hit with him: they all say his ball cannot be attacked and when you try it, you pay.

 

[Razer]

2018-2019 had 3 Old ATG who were playing better tennis than third tier players

Roddick/Hewitt are not 3rd tier players, they are actually 2nd tier even in the 08-16 or 16-19 era.

20-23 era they will be 1st tier because that era is truly pathetic.

Peak Roddick at USO will beat Djoko who vultured 2023 US open. Medvedev the loser failed to stop Novak but Roddick would.

Roddick wins wimbledon in 2021-23 as well, these are not 3rd tier players man,

 

[TennisGrandpA]

Roddick/Hewitt are not 3rd tier players, they are actually 2nd tier even in the 08-16 or 16-19 era.

20-23 era they will be 1st tier because that era is truly pathetic.

Peak Roddick at USO will beat Djoko who vultured 2023 US open. Medvedev the loser failed to stop Novak but Roddick would.

Roddick wins wimbledon in 2021-23 as well, these are not 3rd tier players man,

By their career achievement they’re third tier player in rank of slam winners. Roddick is not beating Novak at Wimbledon lol especially post 2010

 

[Racquet_smash]

Hewitt clearly better than the other 3. Roddick is a closer call.

 

[helterskelter]

Another mug poll. Debate competition vs results etc. The poll's a bit complicated since Roddick/Hewitt and Zverev/Tsitsipas are close so I didn't order them; the only clear distinction is Medvedev being above Zverev and Tsitsipas (better results and H2H in the same era).
I'm obviously voting for the first option given the competition aka stronk/wicked era factor, not that anyone would expect differently (lol). Sadlad has three finals but the way he lost those finals was roflmao and I have more respect for Roddick's and Hewitt's best losses than that; Zod/Tsits goes without saying - Z will choke, Teat will mug up.

Have to go with the younger guys, just because I think a doubles pair would be at a major disadvantage if playing a triplet.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Hewitt clearly better than the other 3. Roddick is a closer call.

I think Hewitt/Roddick/medvedev all have an argument.
The rest are easily in a separate tier below them.

 

[Racquet_smash]

I think Hewitt/Roddick/medvedev all have an argument.
The rest are easily in a separate tier below them.

Zverev and Cytrus are well out of the conversation. At least Medvedev has multiple finals and 2 5 set losses.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Hewitt clearly better than the other 3. Roddick is a closer call.

Funny how two H2H tiebreaks apparently make one player so much better than the other.

 

[helterskelter]

Funny how two H2H tiebreaks apparently make one player so much better than the other.

If anything Roddick is clearly better than Hewitt at the AO, what with 4 SFs to 1 and 6 QFs to 1. Just the one narrow loss in the H2H propping it up.

Similar to Edberg v Becker at Roland Garros, by the way.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Funny how two H2H tiebreaks apparently make one player so much better than the other.

Not much better, but definitely better. Roddick was quite underwhelming at AO in terms of strongest runs even if he had more consistency.

 

[Hitman]

Hewitt outside of that 2005 run which was very impressive, seriously underperformed at his home slam.

I do believe he was one of the biggest voices that asked the surface to be changed from Rebound Ace to Plexicushion.

Roddick was a lot more consistent, since 2003 there. I think he liked those RA conditions.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Not much better, but definitely better. Roddick was quite underwhelming at AO in terms of strongest runs even if he had more consistency.

All of this boils down to that AO SF since Hewitt didn't have super top runs otherwise.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

All of this boils down to that AO SF since Hewitt didn't have super top runs otherwise.

Roddick missed his window in 2005 to make a final against someone not named Federer.

Although safin was not going to be an easy win.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Roddick missed his window in 2005 to make a final against someone not named Federer.

Although safin was not going to be an easy win.

Safin was going to be another loss anyway.
The argument for Hewitt's higher peak based on AO 05 makes sense but still it's just one match and that was mostly close, so I'm not sure about it offsetting Roddick's obvious consistency/longevity advantage at the venue.

 

[NatF]

Funny how two H2H tiebreaks apparently make one player so much better than the other.

Probably against 2004 Roddick that match is very close, but I'd still lean towards 2005 Hewitt.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Safin was going to be another loss anyway.
The argument for Hewitt's higher peak based on AO 05 makes sense but still it's just one match and that was mostly close, so I'm not sure about it offsetting Roddick's obvious consistency/longevity advantage at the venue.

Yeah but the narrative around Roddick was winning that second slam and not being able to do so bc of Federer.
He got somewhat close in 09 but even watching that match, for how close it was going deep into 5, you can just sense Federer was ahead and Roddick needed to pull out a wand to beat him.

If he lost to Safin, then all the “can’t get past fed talk” was irrelevant.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Thing about Roddick is - would he have played better today against guys who moved better and countered his power game?

 

[Racquet_smash]

All of this boils down to that AO SF since Hewitt didn't have super top runs otherwise.

No but it's clearly a significantly better run to any other that Roddick has.

His other SFs showings were not that impressive. In 03 he struggled massively with El Aynaoui before losing to Schuttler in 4 who's by many considered one of the least memorable slam finalists of the century. Not a super memorable run.

In 07 Federer destroyed him so badly it looked like a pro vs amateur match.

In 04 and 09 we probably saw his best showings overall, but i still have a hard time putting either of these runs on par with Hewitt's one in 05.

Sure Arod has the consistency argument but it's not really a fair one given Hewitt had a ton of injury struggles in later years.

 

[jackson vile]

Roddick himself said Medvedev was a better and more complete players than he is, and he’s correct.

Hewitt was a glorified pusher and punching bag nothing more

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Yeah but the narrative around Roddick was winning that second slam and not being able to do so bc of Federer.
He got somewhat close in 09 but even watching that match, for how close it was going deep into 5, you can just sense Federer was ahead and Roddick needed to pull out a wand to beat him.

If he lost to Safin, then all the “can’t get past fed talk” was irrelevant.

Mostly because of Federer. Obviously he had losses to other players too, like anyone, but 8 slam losses to Fred shouldn't be overlooked. Removing a player and counting hypothetical titles isn't strong analysis anyway.

 

[Third Serve]

Hewitt had like one top run at the AO so I think on consistency you kinda have to go Medvedev even if I think Med hasn’t topped that 2005 run.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

No but it's clearly a significantly better run to any other that Roddick has.

This doesn't make sense. It would be significantly better if Hewitt's level of play were significantly better but that can't be true else their H2H match wouldn't've been mostly close.

His other SFs showings were not that impressive. In 03 he struggled massively with El Aynaoui before losing to Schuttler in 4 who's by many considered one of the least memorable slam finalists of the century. Not a super memorable run.

In 07 Federer destroyed him so badly it looked like a pro vs amateur match.

In 04 and 09 we probably saw his best showings overall, but i still have a hard time putting either of these runs on par with Hewitt's one in 05.

Sure Arod has the consistency argument but it's not really a fair one given Hewitt had a ton of injury struggles in later years.

That makes sense, though consistency still matters some, but for the third line. If Hewitt 05 isn't much better than Roddick 05 and Roddick 04/09 is better than Roddick 05 then it follows than Hewitt 05 could only be slightly better than Roddick 04/09 at most.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Hewitt had like one top run at the AO so I think on consistency you kinda have to go Medvedev even if I think Med hasn’t topped that 2005 run.

Even Hewitt's 04 showing featured a higher level than anything Sadlad has ever displayed at the venue though.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Probably against 2004 Roddick that match is very close, but I'd still lean towards 2005 Hewitt.

Who knows. Roddick failed a bit not breaking Safin after the first mug set in 04, lovely as Marat was, but Hewitt also only broke Safin once after the first set in 05 and iirc he was a bit lucky to do so with a questionable call. Too close to call with any certainty, though Hewitt did seem to have some matchup advantage on Roddick I guess.

 

[helterskelter]

Hewitt had like one top run at the AO so I think on consistency you kinda have to go Medvedev even if I think Med hasn’t topped that 2005 run.

One top run. Also only one decent run. Otherwise never made the last eight.

 

[NatF]

One top run. Also only one decent run. Otherwise never made the last eight.

He had very tough draws at the AO, look at his 4R opponents...even in 2001 he had Bjorkman, Haas and Moya as his first three opponents. He was very unlucky at the AO IMO.

 

[Racquet_smash]

This doesn't make sense. It would be significantly better if Hewitt's level of play were significantly better but that can't be true else their H2H match wouldn't've been mostly close.



That makes sense, though consistency still matters some, but for the third line. If Hewitt 05 isn't much better than Roddick 05 and Roddick 04/09 is better than Roddick 05 then it follows than Hewitt 05 could only be slightly better than Roddick 04/09 at most.

Tbh i'm not sure the 04 and 09 showings were all that much better than the 05 one. In 05 he reached the SF pretty flawlessly with only a minor dip against Rusedski.

 

[Racquet_smash]

One top run. Also only one decent run. Otherwise never made the last eight.

In fairness Hewitt was looking good at AO04, he just met Federer early and since R4 is the result it looks worse than it is.

 

[Razer]

By their career achievement they’re third tier player in rank of slam winners. Roddick is not beating Novak at Wimbledon lol especially post 2010

Roddick 2009 can beat Novak post 2010 at Wimbledon on some occasions. Why not ?

You are forgetting that Roddick has a winning h2h vs Novak, so if he was good enough to get a winning h2h against 07-10 Novak then he will have some chances vs some versions of Novak later on.

 

[Razer]

In fairness Hewitt was looking good at AO04, he just met Federer early and since R4 is the result it looks worse than it is.

In 04 Aus open there were many people who were great, Hewitt, Roddick, Agasi, Nalbandian, all of them lost to either Safin/Federer. We could say that they are all better than Mugvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev.

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

Medvedev > Roddick > Tsitsipas > Zverev > Hewitt

Medvedev easily tops this list with 3 Finals.

Roddick gets in over the two below him on his late-run consistency with 4 SFs and 2 QFs.

Tsitsipas just over Zverev because he's made an extra SF.

Hewitt competed at the AO 20 times, and made the QFs or better once. There's no way he deserves to be in over those above him here.