Roddick vs Medvedev. Who is greater?

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Heliath

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Right now Roddick (just a bit ahead) but I would be really surprised if Medvedev doesnt end having a better career than him.
 

l0s3

Rookie
I disagree. I see Nadal of 2008 rolling past Medvedev barely breaking a sweat on hard courts. Medvedev really has nothing to hurt 2008 Nadal with on any surface. He couldn't outrally him, he struggles to win more than 50% of the long rallies vs a much slower Nadal with a much poorer baseline game today as we see by all their matches. He definitely can't hit him off the court with first strike tennis. He has nothing to throw his rythym off, he wouldn't be attacking or playing a transitional game either.

And of course he is 1-5 vs Nadal aged 33-35, all matches since Medvedev began coming into his prime. Losing their last 2 very recent matches on hard courts, one from 2 sets to 0 up, and the other being spanked in an easy straight sets loss. His only ever win was in a tough 3 setter in a best 2 out of 3, that Nadal blew the opportunity to finish in 2 sets and should have won really (at the WTF too which is like Nadal's career worst event), although Medvedev also should have won the AO final which makes him look worse that he didn't. So what the heck is he going to do vs 20-26 year old Nadal who has his wheels, is much fitter, and far more ferocity, consistency, and strength off the ground.
Mainly because nadal is a significantly worse matchup. Djokovic is better on hard court but Medvedev would much rather play djokovic as he allows Medvedev rythm and control of rallies. Rafa has far more variety slices, drop shots which exposes medvedevs net game. With the duel threat of a FHDTL makes defending far more difficult.


Medvedev would match up far better against against roddick due to his lack of mobility. Medvedev can handle Roddicks FH much better than rafas.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Mainly because nadal is a significantly worse matchup. Djokovic is better on hard court but Medvedev would much rather play djokovic as he allows Medvedev rythm and control of rallies. Rafa has far more variety slices, drop shots which exposes medvedevs net game. With the duel threat of a FHDTL makes defending far more difficult.


Medvedev would match up far better against against roddick due to his lack of mobility. Medvedev can handle Roddicks FH much better than rafas.

Roddick ain't Nadal but he didn't lack mobility.
 

martinezownsclay

Hall of Fame
Mainly because nadal is a significantly worse matchup. Djokovic is better on hard court but Medvedev would much rather play djokovic as he allows Medvedev rythm and control of rallies. Rafa has far more variety slices, drop shots which exposes medvedevs net game. With the duel threat of a FHDTL makes defending far more difficult.


Medvedev would match up far better against against roddick due to his lack of mobility. Medvedev can handle Roddicks FH much better than rafas.

If you are saying Nadal is a bad match up for Medvedev I agree. And yes Medvedev would rather play Djokovic than Nadal, despite Djokovic being better on hard courts, especialy today.

Still even if you want to look at Djokovic, Roddick has a 5-4 record vs him. And it wasn't fully peak Djokovic for most of the matches sure, but it wasn't fully peak Roddick either really (which is probably 2003-2005, and for a bit of 2009, or something) but I would say even the 2008-2010 Djokovic is still for sure better than the current one. And it is not like Medvedev is doing any better vs him than Roddick did, although they aren't playing in as big of matches so it isn't a fully even comparision.

I don't see any comparision that makes Medvedev look more favorably really.

The Roddick-Medvedev match up is a bit perplexing since I am trying to think of a player similar to the other, either a better or worse version, that either played, and nobody easily comes to mind. I used to think Hewitt was similar in playing style to Mevedev (while being better IMO) but the more I examine their games there are some real differences in their playing style, so even he isn't a good barometer. Maybe Murray is most similar(?) but in that case Murray being a much better version of Medvedev. I do see from what I have seen so far, prime Roddick having the edge on hard courts thus far (pretty much most or all kinds), and no brainer Roddick on grass up to now. Clay, well both are quite irrelevant, so an irrelevant point, but I guess Medvedev. Carpet/indoors doesn't even exist anymore, so pointless, although I could have seen Medvedev possibly being better there.
 

l0s3

Rookie
If you are saying Nadal is a bad match up for Medvedev I agree. And yes Medvedev would rather play Djokovic than Nadal, despite Djokovic being better on hard courts, especialy today.

Still even if you want to look at Djokovic, Roddick has a 5-4 record vs him. And it wasn't fully peak Djokovic for most of the matches sure, but it wasn't fully peak Roddick either really (which is probably 2003-2005, and for a bit of 2009, or something) but I would say even the 2008-2010 Djokovic is still for sure better than the current one. And it is not like Medvedev is doing any better vs him than Roddick did, although they aren't playing in as big of matches so it isn't a fully even comparision.

I don't see any comparision that makes Medvedev look more favorably really.

The Roddick-Medvedev match up is a bit perplexing since I am trying to think of a player similar to the other, either a better or worse version, that either played, and nobody easily comes to mind. I used to think Hewitt was similar in playing style to Mevedev (while being better IMO) but the more I examine their games there are some real differences in their playing style, so even he isn't a good barometer. Maybe Murray is most similar(?) but in that case Murray being a much better version of Medvedev. I do see from what I have seen so far, prime Roddick having the edge on hard courts thus far (pretty much most or all kinds), and no brainer Roddick on grass up to now. Clay, well both are quite irrelevant, so an irrelevant point, but I guess Medvedev. Carpet/indoors doesn't even exist anymore, so pointless, although I could have seen Medvedev possibly being better there.

Medvedev has a 3-4 record against djokovic on indoor/outdoor hard so it seems like he does pretty well. How much better do u think Roddick would fare? Even Current djokovic would have the edge over a peak roddick on hard. The only years that roddick would have the clear advantage is djokovic in 2017, early 2018 which are some of his worst seasons.
 

martinezownsclay

Hall of Fame
Medvedev has a 3-4 record against djokovic on indoor/outdoor hard so it seems like he does pretty well. How much better do u think Roddick would fare? Even Current djokovic would have the edge over a peak roddick on hard. The only years that roddick would have the clear advantage is djokovic in 2017, early 2018 which are some of his worst seasons.

If Roddick had the edge over 2009 Djokovic on hard court, who wasn't peak and this was kind of a bad ish year for him, but still ranked #3, why is if far fetched to think he would have the edge over current 34 year old Djokovic on hard courts? 2009 isn't even peak of peaks Roddick either, which is probably 2003-2004. It is subjective but I don't think the current, very old, Djokovic is better than even 2009 Djokovic. Although I can see a lot being confused and strongly believing he is due to winning 3 slams last year due to the bad field. We will get a lot of that in the future relating to players like Medvedev too, people thinking they are better than they are due to results in the really bad field.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
If Roddick had the edge over 2009 Djokovic on hard court, who wasn't peak and this was kind of a bad ish year for him, but still ranked #3, why is if far fetched to think he would have the edge over current 34 year old Djokovic on hard courts? 2009 isn't even peak of peaks Roddick either, which is probably 2003-2004. It is subjective but I don't think the current, very old, Djokovic is better than even 2009 Djokovic. Although I can see a lot being confused and strongly believing he is due to winning 3 slams last year due to the bad field. We will get a lot of that in the future relating to players like Medvedev too, people thinking they are better than they are due to results in the really bad field.
I am not the biggest fan of 2021 Djokovic but he was definitely better than in 2009.
 

martinezownsclay

Hall of Fame
I am not the biggest fan of 2021 Djokovic but he was definitely better than in 2009.

I guess it could be debated. However keep in mind the only important place/match Medvedev has beaten Djokovic though is the 2021 US Open, and I am pretty sure that was a worse version of Djokovic than even the ones Roddick was beating. The rest of 2021? Well Medvedev wasn't even a tiny obstacle to Djokovic winning the first 3 slams of the year, and rolling through the entire year until the Olympics, so who cares. All of Medvedev's other wins over Djokovic thus far are unimportant matches, and he is struggling to beat the best players like old Djokovic and physically grandpa Nadal (plus even Zverev and Thiem to a lesser extent) in big matches as we see, minus his pigeon Tstisipas.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Medvedev has a 3-4 record against djokovic on indoor/outdoor hard so it seems like he does pretty well. How much better do u think Roddick would fare? Even Current djokovic would have the edge over a peak roddick on hard. The only years that roddick would have the clear advantage is djokovic in 2017, early 2018 which are some of his worst seasons.

Med is 3-5 vs Djoko in indoor/outdoor HC. Yeah, I think Roddick would fare just as well vs 17-current Djokovic.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Still taking Roddick thanks to his Wimbledon runs. 4 finals is nothing to sniff at. Medvedev more consistent on hc, although peak I would take Roddick at uso and outdoor. Medvedev clearly at AO and indoor.
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Before the USO I would taken A-Rod. Now after these back-to-back finals I'm taking Medvedev.

Roddick's advantage is that he is good on two surfaces and Medvedev in one. However, Roddick is great at the USO but AO not so much, he was great at USO and Wimbledon in the end. Medvedev is great at the AO and USO. Medvedev's best result at Wimbledon is the same as Roddick's at the AO, so not much of an advantage there when you get to the nitty-gritty.

And Medvedev did better at the YEC comfortably.

Medvedev needs the extra slam to have a debate with Hewitt whom he has a more similar playing style.
 
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