Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Fabfed, Sep 11, 2010.
How do you guys make out its photoshopped?
Pls enlighten me, no joke
On the USO picture where he's holding the racquet in his left hand you can't see any reflections on the racquet and it appears to be floating between his fingers. Also his body is too big compared to the court
Wow, you guys really pay attention to that stuff, amazing
If you hadnt told me i would have never figured it out, the shirt doenst look real either, the whole picture looks doctored after you look closelly
I've just read through all this thread.
WOW.. I'm speechless
You're a ledgend, and I only joined today FabFed. Oh, and what strings is on the Federer BLX racquet?
Hey, ermm, could I know the strings he used on that racquet?
Search [function], and you shall find.
Yes, I know the one he advertises, Champions Choice, but I've heard it's only Natural Gut, and I want to know from the expert.
Clearly you didn't search hard enough if you can't find it. It's all over the forum!
You could just tell me :l
I searched for it twice, but all I could find was my own question a few pages back.
Let me try yet another time:
So how do Fed's rackets feel when you hit the ball? What are they made of? Do Fed'd BLX90 vibrate more like K90, are they rather muted like the retail BLX90, or is their feel different from either?
Yeah I know, I can't find anything either
I wonder if the Fed rackets were positioned so that they all weighed 364g.
Just noticed that Fed's BLX90 in relation to the silver disc is different to the K90s.
are u guys f***ing retarded? just tell him the dam setup!!! it takes less time than continuously saying "use the search function"
mains are natural gut 16g, and crosses are luxilon alu power rough 16L
Lol yeah I know!!
Yeahh thanks, just wanted to check he uses champs choice
The gut is 17g is it not, anyone confirm that?
no it's 16
Getting some payback? Don't take it out on JV
By the way he doesn't use champions choice.
He uses Babolat Natural Gut on the mains.
Essentially they are the same strings though.
Must have hit a soft spot LOL If I hurt your feelings I am sorry, there all better?
No I'm not taking out anger the other guy that said naughty words LOL he is. He doesn't use Babolat Nat Gut.
Not me dude the guy who said a naughty word LOL
He does use Babolat Natural Gut
Babolat VS Natural Gut 16 mains, Luxilon Alu Power Rough 16 cross. Tennis Warehouse confirms:
He actually uses Wilson Gut, that is made by Babolat. It may be the same thing as VS, but it is labeled for Wilson. This is a mistake by TW. Go to his own personal website, P1's website, or Wilson's website for confirmation.
Ah but when Roger is painting he uses VS gut in crosses and Alu in the mains. ( You will have had to have gone to the O2 WTF and seen the exhibition to understand what I am talking about.)
Fabfed, if you have time, you can do a TW 'DIY' swingweight measurement with Federer's racquet. It's quite easy and it won't break the racquet. The website is here:
Thanks a lot.
Hey 15_ounce, I'll try to do it when I have a little more time. I've been asking around for an RDC machine but there doesn't seem to be one where I'm from unfortunately...
This was posted before by stoneage. Therefore if you have an iPhone or an iTouch it could be an easier (and possibly more accurate) method to measure swingweight for you.
I have not tried the app personally yet, but as you will see from the thread the accuracy is verified with a RDC.
As always your sharing of Fed's gear is greatly appreciated (for all of us curious *******s!)!
i tried lots of time to calculate the swingweight of a blx tour 90 with the tw tool and the oscillation period always proves to be 13.75 seconds
Thanks to Fabfed we know the average balance (32.2) and the weight (364 grams)
by taping these infos in the calculator the swingweight proves to be 353/354.
You need the oscillation period of Fabfed's BLX 90s, not yours!
federer adds weight at 12 o clock position and this doesn't effect the oscillation period.
The period is 13.75/76/77 and we know the other infos (balance and weight)
In the end the swingweight can 353/354/355
When Fabfed will measure the oscillaiton period this will prove to be 13.75 to a maximum of 13.78
How do you think Feds setup would compare with a stock kps88?
Lead added anywhere on the frame effects the oscillation period, including at 12 o'clock.
ok,we can only wait the measurement of the oscillation period from Fabfed...
Yep. But thanks for trying daniele!
ahahahah thanks to you corn....hope you a good year!!!
Swingweight still unkown, but from best available info it would be reasonable to say a stock 88 is very similar.
I have been researching Feds setup and found this thread. Thanks for all the info you have provided so far FabFed!
One thing that came to mind when you guys were discussing calculating the swingweight:
Would it be possible to take a short 20 second video of the racquet swinging as described in the TT instructions and post it on youtube? Then everyone can time it themselves to figure out the swing weight. Or would that prove to be too inaccurate?
That would work fine, but Fabfed doesn't seem willing to tackle the swingweight.
Babolat makes gut for Wilson and packages it in Wilson's name. So the Wilson Gut you buy in stores in the same as VS gut other than by name. Essentially all Wilson string products are made by different companies and packaged and sold as Wilson. Wilson contracts other companies to make the string for them, and purchases it from them for a low rate. Then they sell it to the consumer at a premium to make a profit. You can look at the packaging and read the back and look for the "Made in _______" and you can determine which company it is that's actually making that particular kind of string.
Tecnifibre makes Wilson's strings AFAIK
Some of the Wilson strings are made by Tecnifibre yes but the gut is made by Babolat...
Volkl gut is made by Klip.
Wow that was a lot of reading! It's seems to me that Rog's stick is actually very close to the retail version. I think the only difference is the weight of the grip. I got hold of a blx tour that is dead on with tw specs. I had some of the thin TW leather grips on my pure storms and it got me to thinking....I took off the wilson grip and weighed it at 22 grams. Weighed the thinner TW leather and it was 16 grams. That's a difference of 6 grams. Put the lighter TW leather on the the six.one and added 6 grams at 12 to the hoop and came out with exactly Rog's specs. 364 grams and 32.2 cm balance point. Either he uses the thinner lighter leather or his custom handle is lighter. I'm betting on the thinner leather. It makes since because the Priority One photo's don't have that much lead on them.
This racquet was supposedly created for Fed. I bet Fed gets the factory ones that are on spec without a grip and Priority One grips them and adds a little lead at the hoop to match them up and that's pretty much it. So if you want to play with a racquet exactly like Fed's, just ask TW to pick you out one that matches the listed specs, order one of thin TW leather grips and 1/4 inch lead tape for the hoop. Replace the Grip and add about 6 or 7 grams at 12 and there you have it. I did the homemade swing-weight calculation and was averaging around 350.
I doubt I'm good enough to notice such a subtle difference but who knows. I do like having a little lead at 12 since I tend to hit the ball a little higher up in the hoop.
If you add 6 grams at 12, then it is really not the stock frame anymore.
It is adding 6 grams at 12 to the stock frame.
It changes weight, swing weight and balance. It is a different frame.
So do overgrips, replacement grips, heat shrink sleeves, head guard tape, different types of string, power pads, vibration dampeners, etc......
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Shrink sleeves are heavy and change weight and balance significantly. I don't think Federer uses them, so why discuss that?
You can use exactly the same OG, main and cross strings and dampeners as Fed, and still the 6 grams of lead will make all the difference.
That is assuming the composition is the same. Djokovic supposedly uses the same mold as a commercial frame but different composition to get a RA of 51. May also be the case with Federer.
You make it sound like there's a little bit of lead under Federer's bumperguard that the frame is somehow "transformed."
Yes it is. Yes it isn't.
There's a stock frame and there's a stock frame. Any mod is a deviation from stock. I was just citing examples of what people use.
As for stiffness a la Djokovic, most accounts (i.e. Greg Raven) suggest a Federer frame it's like what you can get from the store. From what it seems, at least with the k90 the base frame is what Federer is using. Like how the base frame of a SV Wilson Pro Staff Midsize is what Sampras used........
With all the lead, custom handles, custom butt caps, expert stringing, all anyone can do is get close.
So....I'm not disagreeing with you......and yet I am.
Adding an overgrip or a dampener or using heavier strings also changes the weight, swingweight, and balance. Does that make it a different frame?
The frame is what comes out of the mold. What you add to the frame changes your set-up but does not change the underlying frame.
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