Roger’s BLX90

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
Yup. Those are my knots. Or, as Nate calls them, "Those beehive looking pieces of sh*t."
Thanks for the confirmation:)

So the balance is 32.1cm on this actual Federer racquet!

Will be interesting to see what Fabfeds come in at?
 

stangaele

Rookie
just to understand...it seems that the balance of this federer racket is 32.1 cm...i'm going to conclude that federer places lead tape around the head,is this true?


daniele
 

(K)evin

Rookie
+1............. ;)
so you are saying that Roger still uses an unmodified racquet....

so what does he go to P1 for nothing? just to spend money because he can?



so with these pictures and theory Roger Federer gets a racquet at around 358 grams and 310 in swingweight?

you my friend are down right insane
 

wonder1994

Rookie
Hello guys! Very nice work FabFed, I'm also playing Federer's(US retail) racket thats so great, with hybrid 24.5/23.5. I'm very interesting in this federer "bumpers" down below wilson logo. What's this? How he doing it?
 

morten

Hall of Fame
so you are saying that Roger still uses an unmodified racquet....

so what does he go to P1 for nothing? just to spend money because he can?



so with these pictures and theory Roger Federer gets a racquet at around 358 grams and 310 in swingweight?

you my friend are down right insane
lol... yes :) try an 20 points increase in swingweight yourself... no way he uses 350+ swingweight, 330+-...yes as the ps85.
 

Kenny022593

Professional
When you are calculating the specs of his racquet are the power pads negligable to the weight because they are so small?
 

DudeBro

Banned
Is it just me or does the handle look shorter on the BLX PJ vs the K90? RJYU- are you wrapping his handle any differently with his overgrip?
 

Edberg

Banned
FabFed or Breakpoint,

I read earlier in the thread that you guys believe Fed is using the K90. Would that be the 12 ounce Asian K90 or the 12.5 US K90?

Thanks for all of your awesome photos FabFed.
 

(K)evin

Rookie
FabFed or Breakpoint,

I read earlier in the thread that you guys believe Fed is using the K90. Would that be the 12 ounce Asian K90 or the 12.5 US K90?

Thanks for all of your awesome photos FabFed.
thats a good question I'd also like to know
 

corners

Legend
Just to be clear, this is not my racquet, it belongs to a friend. It was used by Federer at the O2 in November last year apparently!

He hasn't measured the weight, but the balance measured was 32.1cm
Nice work! Weight and swingweight coming next? Flex would be nice as well.:)
 

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
Nice work! Weight and swingweight coming next? Flex would be nice as well.:)
Thanks:) But that is all the info. I can get at the moment as it's not my racquet!

I bet the weight is about 364g though (same as Fabfeds racquets), and I'm really looking forward to seeing the balance on his 4 racquets, to see how they compare to the 32.1cm:)
 

Pioneer

Professional
No balance coming up. But Greg Raven has his frame and the balance was 31.5, with a 362.5g weight and a 338 SW. If I'm willing to trust anybody it's the guy who is a pro stringer and has a picture of Fed's K6.1 with the little "ROGER" sticker above the grip and the powerpads

Thanks:) But that is all the info. I can get at the moment as it's not my racquet!

I bet the weight is about 364g though (same as Fabfeds racquets), and I'm really looking forward to seeing the balance on his 4 racquets, to see how they compare to the 32.1cm:)
 

corners

Legend
Thanks:) But that is all the info. I can get at the moment as it's not my racquet!

I bet the weight is about 364g though (same as Fabfeds racquets), and I'm really looking forward to seeing the balance on his 4 racquets, to see how they compare to the 32.1cm:)
Well, Fabfed has so far been unwilling to even check the balance of his frames. And he's afraid putting one on an RDC to check the swingweight will damage the frame:???:

(Sorry Fabfed, and thanks for putting your pictures up)

Without the swingweight, however, we still know very little. With the swingweight, we would know everything. I'm 90% sure it's about 350, but confirmation of that would be nice.
 

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
Just some quick responses, yes there is probably lead tape under the bumper guard as you can see from the P1 pic Od1n posted. On the winning bid, I'm not really comfortable disclosing the amount I paid, but I actually paid quite alot more for two of the K90s than this BLX stick. I will measure the actual grip size, give me a little time. haderech buddy, I will see if I can do the balance measurement later, I'm pretty tied up now :)
Looking forward to see the balance of the 4 racquets, when you get a chance to measure them, to see how they compare to 32.1cm:)
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
FabFed or Breakpoint,

I read earlier in the thread that you guys believe Fed is using the K90. Would that be the 12 ounce Asian K90 or the 12.5 US K90?

Thanks for all of your awesome photos FabFed.
Of course it's the 12.5 oz. US version of the K90. It's been weighed by several people on this board. The Asian version would be way too light and under-powered for him or for any pro player for that matter. Heck, it's even too under-powered for me but I still use it because I like the feel of it and it's easy to swing. :)
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
FedBLX90, surprise, surprise....


Recap of weight of the FedK90s
A bit hard to read the scale on the smaller pics but it looks like all the K90's and the BLX90 are all 364g? If so, great job by Priority One to get all of them to weigh EXACTLY the same.

BTW, this is the weight of a typical retail K90 if you string it up with a natural gut/poly hybrid, add the power pads, and put on an overgrip. I say "typical" because with Wilson's poor quality control, the weight of retail K90's can be all over the map. Obviously, Federer gets his hand selected to be as close as possible in weight and balance. Priority One then takes care of any additional tweaking required to get them to match exactly.

All of your pics are great, Fabfed! Thanks for sharing. :)
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
OK, assuming you take your stock US blx 6.1 and string it with gut and poly, you'll end up with something like 357g. Add an overgrip and leather pads and you'll have something around 362-363g. So either fed doesn't use the stock K6.1 or he just adds 2g for matching purposes
A stock retail BLX90 can have a huge variation in weight due to Wilson's poor quality control. So a strung BLX90 with power pads and overgrip can weigh anywhere between 357g to 375g or more or less. Anything is possible with Wilson racquets.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
This might have been answered already in this long thread, but I assume the sticker that reads "MON 22.5" means that the racquet was strung on Monday and the MAINS are strung at 22.5 kg? If so, what were the crosses strung at, as we know Federer usually has his crosses strung at a different tension than the mains? Also, can Federer tell from just looking at the tension for the mains what the tension for the crosses are, i.e., does he always maintain the same differential between the mains and crosses?

Thanks to anyone that can answer this. Hopefully, Ron Yu will chime in again.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
well, since he used stock china ps85 for so long unmodified(yes he said so when i talked to him in 01)with a swingweight around 325 i find it so hard to believe he now swings s club swinging that much heavier.. he may use lead at 12, but then i think he already have a lighter swinging frame than the blx or K90, a special one made for him. Even 5 points is a lot in terms of swingweight. He may use 330sw but not more IMO.
Hmmm....but I've hit with quite a few different retail PS 6.0 85's (Chicago, Taiwan, China) and they all felt like they swung heavier than 325. Closer to 330 if you ask me. The Chicago and Taiwan versions swung heavier than the China version, but all closer to 330 for me.

In fact, TW measured the swingweight of the China PS 6.0 85 to be 329:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/REVIEWS/60/60Review.html
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Did you actually look at the photos?

He clearly doesn't start with a stock retail BLX even in hairpin form, the throat is different!

I'm sure it's a paintjob, probably of the K90. Anyway, I actually know someone with one of Feds racquets, so I'll ask him tomorrow for the balance of it, and I'll post it on here. That's my last word on the subjuect until then.
Could you please point out how the throat is different? I can't see a difference from the pics but they are not that clear.

Thanks.
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
Give me a little time, just a couple of weeks, minimally I'll get the balance of the racquets out to you guys, complete with pics (you won't have to take my word for it). On the lead tape, I'll try to look out for it, but I don't see how I can lift up the bumper even a little without possibly risking damage to the strings or the grommet. And if you look at my earlier posts, I did say I was busy this past week, plus the F1 circus is in town next week so I will be tied up as well, F1 is my other great passion :)
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
A bit hard to read the scale on the smaller pics but it looks like all the K90's and the BLX90 are all 364g? If so, great job by Priority One to get all of them to weigh EXACTLY the same.

BTW, this is the weight of a typical retail K90 if you string it up with a natural gut/poly hybrid, add the power pads, and put on an overgrip. I say "typical" because with Wilson's poor quality control, the weight of retail K90's can be all over the map. Obviously, Federer gets his hand selected to be as close as possible in weight and balance. Priority One then takes care of any additional tweaking required to get them to match exactly.

All of your pics are great, Fabfed! Thanks for sharing. :)
BP yes they are all 364g :)
 

Pioneer

Professional
I know that people who play on clay sometimes get clay under the bumper guard and use a really sharp knife to lift the bumper while the clay falls out. I do it no problem but it's risky business. There's no point in doing it since P1 have already posted pics of where his lead tape is


Give me a little time, just a couple of weeks, minimally I'll get the balance of the racquets out to you guys, complete with pics (you won't have to take my word for it). On the lead tape, I'll try to look out for it, but I don't see how I can lift up the bumper even a little without possibly risking damage to the strings or the grommet. And if you look at my earlier posts, I did say I was busy this past week, plus the F1 circus is in town next week so I will be tied up as well, F1 is my other great passion :)
 

Kenny022593

Professional
I know that people who play on clay sometimes get clay under the bumper guard and use a really sharp knife to lift the bumper while the clay falls out. I do it no problem but it's risky business. There's no point in doing it since P1 have already posted pics of where his lead tape is
You are a good man. Unlike the people who drove FabFed away the first time yelling at him to do risky things :)
 

tiochaota

Semi-Pro
What's the beam width of the k 90 and blx, retail k 90 is 18mm while retail blx is 17.5 mm, correct ne if im wrong, and possible to measure head size? That would end the ps 85 argument.
 

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
No balance coming up. But Greg Raven has his frame and the balance was 31.5, with a 362.5g weight and a 338 SW. If I'm willing to trust anybody it's the guy who is a pro stringer and has a picture of Fed's K6.1 with the little "ROGER" sticker above the grip and the powerpads
I've never really been interested in Federer's exact racquet specs, so this is all quite new to me, but now my friend has one of his racquets (earlier in this thread Ron confirmed he strung that racquet), I am taking an interest:)

Greg's specs look like they may be about right to me, but if they are then surely Art Art's (balance 31.8, weight 364g, SW 355) are wrong. I don't see how they can both be right, as they have similar balance and weight but SW is totally different!

My friends Federer racquet has a balance of 32.1cm, but I don't know weight or SW yet. I will try and find out, although it may take a while.
 

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
Could you please point out how the throat is different? I can't see a difference from the pics but they are not that clear.

Thanks.
Fabfeds photos are superb , and very clear!

Federers BLX90 has a different paintjob in throat to a retail BLX. Retail racquet specs are on black on Fed's racquet, but on red on retail. There are other differences as well if you look carefully!

Federer's BLX is definitely some sort of paintjob, probably K90 underneath, but I still don't understand how SW can be as high as 355, with weight of 364g on such a HL racquet, surely either it isn't a K90 or SW is lower?
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
Ok, I just bought a balance board which will arrive sometime next week. I know it's not really necessary and I could have fashioned something myself using a dowel and measuring tape but I thought I might as well get it measured as accurately as possible. Btw, the scale you see in the photos, I bought it last year specifically to weigh the racquets when posters wanted to know the weight. So, I'm not asking for appreciation or anything but just cut me some slack if I'm a little slow replying or if I can't respond to eveything, as I said at the outset, I will do what I can. I will get the balance measured as early as end of next week if I get the board on time :)
 

geese_com

Semi-Pro
Ok, I just bought a balance board which will arrive sometime next week. I know it's not really necessary and I could have fashioned something myself using a dowel and measuring tape but I thought I might as well get it measured as accurately as possible. Btw, the scale you see in the photos, I bought it last year specifically to weigh the racquets when posters wanted to know the weight. So, I'm not asking for appreciation or anything but just cut me some slack if I'm a little slow replying or if I can't respond to eveything, as I said at the outset, I will do what I can. I will get the balance measured as early as end of next week if I get the board on time :)
Thanks FabFed. Can't wait to see what the specs are.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
What's the beam width of the k 90 and blx, retail k 90 is 18mm while retail blx is 17.5 mm, correct ne if im wrong, and possible to measure head size? That would end the ps 85 argument.
I've measured at least a dozen K90's and all came out to to be 17mm in width.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Fabfeds photos are superb , and very clear!

Federers BLX90 has a different paintjob in throat to a retail BLX. Retail racquet specs are on black on Fed's racquet, but on red on retail. There are other differences as well if you look carefully!

Federer's BLX is definitely some sort of paintjob, probably K90 underneath, but I still don't understand how SW can be as high as 355, with weight of 364g on such a HL racquet, surely either it isn't a K90 or SW is lower?
I don't have a retail BLX in front of me but if the specs are written in red, how could you see them on a red background? And I'm not sure if that's definitive indication of anything as decals sometimes do get changed.

BTW, I still can't see the differences in the throat between Federer's BLX90 and the retail BLX90. Could you please point out specifically what the difference are? Thanks.
 

wonder1994

Rookie
I must agree with BreakPoint, so I think Federer don't have something special in his racket. Only I know on 100%, it's quality much better then retail, and that Federer's team change strung (about from 21kg on hard and grass court to 23 on clay, i think), balance +/-0.3cm and weigth +/- 5/10gr of his rackets (it's depending of the court coverage). I think that other things don't change Federer's game or they're made for coolness:cool:.
 

petema99

Rookie
I don't have a retail BLX in front of me but if the specs are written in red, how could you see them on a red background? And I'm not sure if that's definitive indication of anything as decals sometimes do get changed.

BTW, I still can't see the differences in the throat between Federer's BLX90 and the retail BLX90. Could you please point out specifically what the difference are? Thanks.

What he means, is that on a retail frame, the specs are written on the red side of the throat but on Federer's the specs are written on the black side of the throat....
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
I don't have a retail BLX in front of me but if the specs are written in red, how could you see them on a red background? And I'm not sure if that's definitive indication of anything as decals sometimes do get changed.

BTW, I still can't see the differences in the throat between Federer's BLX90 and the retail BLX90. Could you please point out specifically what the difference are? Thanks.
What he means, is that on a retail frame, the specs are written on the red side of the throat but on Federer's the specs are written on the black side of the throat....
Actually I gotta agree with BP here, when I first got hold of the FedBLX I simply thought Wilson decided to switch the specs to the black side because the gold prints would be much clearer against a black background rather than a red background, and I thought maybe the latest batches of retail BLX90s would similarly have the specs on the black side (I bought my retail BLX90s when they were first released). So the side where the specs appear doesn't mean much IMO.
 
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15_ounce

Guest
Exactly. Tennis is all about the racket, not about the player himself.

:twisted:
:):):twisted:Somehow I agree with you. Though I have the talent, I feel that when I change to certain racquets my playing ability somehow enhanced and when I change to other racquet my playing ability somehow reduced.

When I play with Bosworth Rossignol 9R yellow power racquet, my groundstroke just so compact and more consistent and I wonder why the balls refuse to go out beyond the baseline and my second serves just keep painting the line. I feel that the swingweight is just perfect... and I can hit with tons of topspin on both sides and deal with high bounce ball on my backhand side easily (single handed backhand).

I suppose PRO racquet customizer really are experts at what they're doing and they know what they're doing!!!!!
 

ivo

Rookie
On the lead tape, I'll try to look out for it, but I don't see how I can lift up the bumper even a little without possibly risking damage to the strings or the grommet.
Fabfed, thank you for all your pictures, I really appeciate it.

Maybe you could try to lift bumperguard a little bit just with your nail and fingers. You would make happy a lot of members here.. :)

Thanks.

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BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
What he means, is that on a retail frame, the specs are written on the red side of the throat but on Federer's the specs are written on the black side of the throat....
Yes, thanks. After writing that post I went back and looked at all the pics in this thread and realized what he was referring to. Before then, I thought when he referred to "differences in the throat" that he meant the throats had different shapes (like between a Tour 90 and a KPS88, indicating a different mold) and I kept trying to see a difference but couldn't. :)
 
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