Roger Federer: ´I Missed My Chances´

dh003i

Legend
Yes, i saw a different match since i had my glasses off.
Please show me other matches where crowd is 98% behind other player and he still comes out a winner.
You wouldnt recognize mental strength if it were to hit you on the forhead.
So what? The crowd was crazy for Baghdatis at the AO, all those crazy fans, and Federer won. I'm sorry, that really doesn't matter that much -- find actual evidence to suggest otherwise, statistics. You have to prove the assertion that the crowd matters that much. Is Djokovic French? No, then not having the crowd the way he wants shouldn't matter that much.

Djokovic was cracking all over the place, if Federer had showed up in slightly better form he would have cracked like an egg. Just wait until Djokovic is 34 and his confidence in his physical skills is lower.
 

xan

Hall of Fame
And if djokovic showed up slightly better he would have won in straight sets? Thats how your logic works, if.
And you actually want statistics how much crowd matters to a player. I cant take you serious anymore after that post.
 

tipsa...don'tlikehim!

Talk Tennis Guru
So what? The crowd was crazy for Baghdatis at the AO, all those crazy fans, and Federer won. I'm sorry, that really doesn't matter that much -- find actual evidence to suggest otherwise, statistics. You have to prove the assertion that the crowd matters that much. Is Djokovic French? No, then not having the crowd the way he wants shouldn't matter that much.

Djokovic was cracking all over the place, if Federer had showed up in slightly better form he would have cracked like an egg. Just wait until Djokovic is 34 and his confidence in his physical skills is lower.
If you think Djokovic doesnt care about crowds not rooting for him then I wonder if you followed tennis at all from 2012 to now.
 

donquijote

Legend
It looks like we've all been deceived all these years about RF's greatness.
He is not a clutch player and he has no nerves to play in a big GS arena.
Thank you all for the wake-up call.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Well said. You really wonder what went on in the bloke's upper department, especially when having BPs on a SECOND serve - 11 of them! - and then just coming up with a meek, sloppy return at best.
If it didn't float into the net or into the tramrails immediately.


I really question whether this is all too much a matter of age, I mean, he did the total opposite in Toronto and Cincy, and it payed out very well indeed. The age matter apparently wasn't a factor there, so why should it be a couple of weeks later at the USO?

I blame it on nerves most of all, and this might well be where his age indeed plays a role - realizing that this might well have been (one of) his last chance(s) to ever win a GS again.
In such circumstances apparently his mental fortitude went in some kind of remission state - he wasn't exactly the most clutch player in his early days either.

Anyways, it was a damn sad sight to witness. In contrary to his earlier GS losses agains Djok, I dare to conclude that at this occasion it wasn't as much a matter of Djokovic winning the match, but rather of Fed losing it.
(NB: this is NOT meant as a derogatory comment to Djokovic, rather in contrary, kudos to him for keeping his cool, while not exactly being at his best himself either. Deserved victory!)
the bold is key me thinks. Age meaning
a) he doesn't know if he gets another chance and
b) knowing that he properly needed to win in 4, whereas Novak had all the time in the world and knows he'll be in a slam final again very, very soon.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Interesting stats.

Its like "if I don't play Roddick or Hewitt then I choke"...

And you guys think Federer is the GOAT ? Geez, the dude didn't even win 1 epic match against the big ones in his entire career. He had the chance in 2014 Wimby and on Sunday, and failed again.

He deserves to be surpassed by Nadal or Djokovic. Honestly.
how do you define epic btw? Because you are acting like he has never beaten nadal/djokovic/murray on the big stages. I assume you are one of those annoying weak era people and lmao because he is failing at his age to beat the no.1 player at the finals, everything he accomplished has fell apart and he deserves to be surpassed? Get over yourself. If either of them surpass him, good for them, but there is no such thing as they deserve to surpass him.
 
The Nadal percentages are very low, but that's to some extent to be expected, because a disproportionately high percentage of the break points will be on the AD side, and so Nadal will have more chance of getting the serve out wide to Federer's backhand. The conversion rate against Djokovic in the two most recent finals is arguably more disappointing, as a result.

Incidentally, does anyone have a breakdown of Federer's winning percentage against Nadal's serve on the deuce side and on the ad side? It would seem logical to suppose that he'd do better on the deuce side, and creating but not converting a lot of break points does seem to suggest that he does so.

-------------------UE----BP------BP Won%
2006 FO---------51-----3/10----30%
2007 FO---------60----1/17-----6%
2008 Wimb-----52----1/13-----8%
2009 AO-------- 64----6/19-----32%
2009 USO-------62----5/22-----23%
2011 FO---------56----5/15-----33%
2014 Wimb-----29-----3/7------43% (the best match in this list)
2015 Wimb-----35-----1/7------14%
2015 USO-------54-----4/23----17%

Big Time. I think in Roger's case "Old habits die hard". It was in plain sight for his team to analyze. I dont think Edberg or even Rod Laver would have had an actual impact.

The trend is astonishing especially against peak baseliners regardless of court/conditions. Nadal has for ever etched something in Rogers head.
 
The 2007 Wimbledon final was also one in which Federer struggled on return. He broke serve in the first Nadal service game and in the final two Nadal service games. But Nadal held 22 straight times in between, I believe.
 
If you think Djokovic doesnt care about crowds not rooting for him then I wonder if you followed tennis at all from 2012 to now.
Need to distinguish two different things:

1) Djokovic dislikes it when the crowd is indifferent to him. He wants them to have a strong emotion, so when they root for his opponent and don't seem to care about him, it bothers him and can get him down.
2) Djokovic can get fired up if the crowd is actively hostile to him. Early in the match, he appealed to the crowd's support, as he was getting upset by them cheering for Federer. But when the crowd started cheering Djokovic's first serve faults, he got fired up and took the attitude of, "Well, I'll show you then."

Djokovic isn't the only person who would prefer to stir up a strong negative emotion to no emotion at all.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
What the hell has this bad year of Nadal to do with this ?

Nadal has beaten Roger in A LOT epic matches. He has beaten Roger in HIS BACKYARD in 2008, he has beaten Roger in the AO in a terrific 5 setter, when everybody was expecting Roger to take revenge in hardcourts. He has beaten Roger 4 times at RG, some of them being incredible. He has beaten Djokovic in epics RG matches when he was about to lose his crown according to all the press.
Same goes for Djokovic, a TON of epic matches won against Nadal and Federer. Both players have win a ton of epic matches, and A LOT of them were against who ? Yes, you guessed it, Federer.

You cannot just simply come here and say "Nadal lost to Fognini" bla bla bla. The Spaniard is having a terrible year, everybody knows that, and due to his years in the circuit, it was normal it was going to happen someday. However, the fact that Nadal had a bad 2015 doesn't took off all the merits he did in his entire career. Merits Federer never could do, unless he had Hewitts, Roddicks, young Djokovic, Gonzalez and Baghdatis in the finals.

So, stop the BS about Roger being old. The dude didn't reach a final as fresh as he did at this USO since AO 2007. Do you understand that ? Federer folding and choking in really big matches against these 2 players in his prime happened always, not now that he is 34 y/o.

Think for 2 minutes before posting, thank you.
You brought up "Nadal deserves to overtake Federer"...Not me. You should ask yourself what the hell does Nadal have to do with this.

So Nadal is allowed to have a bad year and lose to mugs but Federer is not allowed to lose to the #1 ranked player 6 years younger than him? Shut up and go home!

Nadal has never been as dominant as Roger was and as dominant as Djokovic is now. He kept losing to mugs 4 years in a row at the holy grail of tennis. So why does he deserve to overtake Federer? Just because he has a positive H2H against a player 5 years older than him and enjoys a big match up advantage.

If Federer is reaching a slam final without dropping a set at 34 what does that say about this era? Weak? So what merits does Djokovic have? A 34 year old Federer, injured Murray? over the hill Nadal? Inconsistent Wawrinka? Injured DelPotro? You can make a case about any era being weak. A very strong player can make any era look weak.
Nadal just wasn't strong enough to make his era look weak. He allowed others to win majors during his prime by staying out due to injuries and getting eliminated by 100+ ranked players. So don't give me this BS about weak era!

Federer is 6 years older than Djokovic and has played 1200+ matches on tour. Do YOU understand that? Federer beat Djokovic and Murray back to back at the age of 31 to regain #1. He has had tough losses but he has also beat these guys a lot too...guys who are 5 to 6 years younger than him.
 

Emiliano55

Professional
how do you define epic btw? Because you are acting like he has never beaten nadal/djokovic/murray on the big stages. I assume you are one of those annoying weak era people and lmao because he is failing at his age to beat the no.1 player at the finals, everything he accomplished has fell apart and he deserves to be surpassed? Get over yourself. If either of them surpass him, good for them, but there is no such thing as they deserve to surpass him.
I will copy the same I wrote in the other topic:

He has beaten them either best of 3 matches, or when Djokovic was young.

Here's a lit of my definition of epic matches:

AO 2005 semi (Safin was here)
Masters Cup 2005 finals (Nalby was here)
Roma 2006 final (at this time, finals in M1000 were 5 setters)
Wimby 2008 final
AO 2009 final
USO 2009 final (Delpo was here)
USO 2010 semi
USO 2011 semi
Wimby 2014 final

And I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of them. All of these were EPIC, 5 setters matches, that Roger lost. Roger, aside from that 2007 Wimby final against a still not grass friendly Nadal was the only 'epic' match he won.

He then lost EVERY OTHER epic match. You could think this is BS, but how come the GOAT never win these kind of matches ? It only shows how fragile Roger's mindset is. Either he wins straight forward, or he loses when facing superior players or when he feels the match gets complicated (Delpo, Nalby matches are examples).

He had the chance to turn this tendency around in Wimbledon 2014, and likely on Sunday, and he failed, AGAIN.


You can't consider GOAT a guy how has lost ALL of this epic and heartbreaking matches. Unless, of course, you give so match credit to the easy finals he won against Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzalez, Baghadits, Soderling, etc etc.
 

Emiliano55

Professional
You brought up "Nadal deserves to overtake Federer"...Not me. You should ask yourself what the hell does Nadal have to do with this.

So Nadal is allowed to have a bad year and lose to mugs but Federer is not allowed to lose to the #1 ranked player 6 years younger than him? Shut up and go home!

Nadal has never been as dominant as Roger was and as dominant as Djokovic is now. He kept losing to mugs 4 years in a row at the holy grail of tennis. So why does he deserve to overtake Federer? Just because he has a positive H2H against a player 5 years older than him and enjoys a big match up advantage.

If Federer is reaching a slam final without dropping a set at 34 what does that say about this era? Weak? So what merits does Djokovic have? A 34 year old Federer, injured Murray? over the hill Nadal? Inconsistent Wawrinka? Injured DelPotro? You can make a case about any era being weak. A very strong player can make any era look weak.
Nadal just wasn't strong enough to make his era look weak. He allowed others to win majors during his prime by staying out due to injuries and getting eliminated by 100+ ranked players. So don't give me this BS about weak era!

Federer is 6 years older than Djokovic and has played 1200+ matches on tour. Do YOU understand that? Federer beat Djokovic and Murray back to back at the age of 31 to regain #1. He has had tough losses but he has also beat these guys a lot too...guys who are 5 to 6 years younger than him.
You are just a blind biased fan. You keep telling me the age factor, and I'm giving you history FACTS that evidence AGE is not a problem in this mental weakness Roger have.

So, discussion is over. I won't discuss against blind fans.

Cheers.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
I will copy the same I wrote in the other topic:

He has beaten them either best of 3 matches, or when Djokovic was young.

Here's a lit of my definition of epic matches:

AO 2005 semi (Safin was here)
Masters Cup 2005 finals (Nalby was here)
Roma 2006 final (at this time, finals in M1000 were 5 setters)
Wimby 2008 final
AO 2009 final
USO 2009 final (Delpo was here)
USO 2010 semi
USO 2011 semi
Wimby 2014 final

And I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of them. All of these were EPIC, 5 setters matches, that Roger lost. Roger, aside from that 2007 Wimby final against a still not grass friendly Nadal was the only 'epic' match he won.

He then lost EVERY OTHER epic match. You could think this is BS, but how come the GOAT never win these kind of matches ? It only shows how fragile Roger's mindset is. Either he wins straight forward, or he loses when facing superior players or when he feels the match gets complicated (Delpo, Nalby matches are examples).

He had the chance to turn this tendency around in Wimbledon 2015, and likely on Sunday, and he failed, AGAIN.


You can't consider GOAT a guy how has lost ALL of this epic and heartbreaking matches. Unless, of course, you give so match credit to the easy finals he won against Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzalez, Baghadits, Soderling, etc etc.
How many epic matches has Roger lost to players his age?
How many epic matches have Nadal/Djokovic won against potential all time greats who are 5 & 6 years younger?
So it's better to lose early in majors than go deep and lose epic matches?
 

Omega_7000

Legend
You are just a blind biased fan. You keep telling me the age factor, and I'm giving you history FACTS that evidence AGE is not a problem in this mental weakness Roger have.

So, discussion is over. I won't discuss against blind fans.

Cheers.
Take your rose tinted glasses off and you will not be blind anymore.
 

Emiliano55

Professional
How many epic matches has Roger lost to players his age?
How many epic matches have Nadal/Djokovic won against potential all time greats who are 5 & 6 years younger?
So it's better to lose early in majors than go deep and lose epic matches?
So, Roger in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 was old to you ?

LOL. Do you realize how biased you are ?

As I told you, you won't see thngs clearly. You just think that if Roger had the same age of Nadal/Djokovic, then he would have win all of those matches. At the same time, the majority of those matches Roger lost, he was STILL young... LOL.
Ok... keep dreaming then.

Be happy mate. You Federer fans are incredible.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
So, Roger in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 was old to you ?

LOL. Do you realize how biased you are ?

As I told you, you won't see thngs clearly. You just think that if Roger had the same age of Nadal/Djokovic, then he would have win all of those matches. At the same time, the majority of those matches Roger lost, he was STILL young... LOL.
Ok... keep dreaming then.

Be happy mate. You Federer fans are incredible.
Thought you said discussion over. LMAO. Not a man of your word are you? I'm not surprised.

According to you,
Nadal losing early in majors and staying out due to injuries to maintain his H2H --------------- Perfectly acceptable
Roger losing epic matches to players 5 & 6 years younger than him ----------- Get your tridents out and burn this guy

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards here.
 

Emiliano55

Professional
Thought you said discussion over. LMAO. Not a man of your word are you? I'm not surprised.

According to you,
Nadal losing early in majors and staying out due to injuries to maintain his H2H --------------- Perfectly acceptable
Roger losing epic matches to players 5 & 6 years younger than him ----------- Get your tridents out and burn this guy

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards here.
Do you read my comments? How old are you? How long have you been watching tennis ?

Please, read my last comment and ANSWER me. Do you think Roger in 2008/2009/2010/2011 (years in which he lost a TON of epic matches against his main rivals) was OLD ? DO YOU REALLY?

You think that Roger at those years was disadvantaged ??

Nadal has had a TON of problem, many first round exits. Yeah. I'm not a fan of either player, less Djokovic. But he had nothing to demostrate, he has already beat Novak and Roger in a lot of epic matches. Djokovic did the same, to both players as well.

Roger ? Nope.

So, stop whining like a 10 yeras old kid and accept the reality. Federer is a fantastic player, maybe the most fun to wathc in the history of tennis. But his mental aspect was ALWAYS too fragile. Hence, he doesn't deserve to be GOAT, at least on my papers certainly.

Good bye.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Novak mentioned that the court played faster this year than in previous years.
faster only during the day where he had most trouble against F Lo, if Fed had that day time speed would have been better chance to keep up with Nole but at just below 20C towards the end you could see his flat shots were sitting up for Nole to dispatch or do as he liked
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
Fed talking:
http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2015-09-14/roger-federer-us-open-loss-novak-djokovic

"I didn't feel that way, to be quite honest," he said. "I had too many break chances. Of course some of them I could have done better, should have done better, you know, all these things. Surely he didn't give me much, you know, and all that, that's for sure, but still I should have done better."

"maybe I was slightly shaky when it came to the crunch on the break points."

At least he acknowledges that he missed his chances, but it was ridiculous to see on Sunday.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
Do you read my comments? How old are you? How long have you been watching tennis ?

Please, read my last comment and ANSWER me. Do you think Roger in 2008/2009/2010/2011 (years in which he lost a TON of epic matches against his main rivals) was OLD ? DO YOU REALLY?

You think that Roger at those years was disadvantaged ??

Nadal has had a TON of problem, many first round exits. Yeah. I'm not a fan of either player, less Djokovic. But he had nothing to demostrate, he has already beat Novak and Roger in a lot of epic matches. Djokovic did the same, to both players as well.

Roger ? Nope.

So, stop whining like a 10 yeras old kid and accept the reality. Federer is a fantastic player, maybe the most fun to wathc in the history of tennis. But his mental aspect was ALWAYS too fragile. Hence, he doesn't deserve to be GOAT, at least on my papers certainly.

Good bye.
LMAO! Big talk coming from a guy who can't even keep his word.

I never said Federer is the GOAT you muppet............but neither are Nadal and Djokovic..............and you can make a weak era case for any era. Just depends on where your bias lies.

Also nobody deserves to beat player X's record just because you don't like him....They have to earn it.
 

BGod

Legend
I've followed Roger's career since he beat Sampras in 01.

The guy was never great in 5 set matches. Ever. I remember him losing a bunch up 2-1 to guys like Haas.

When he started being more aggressive and closing out opponents that's when he went on those runs. Even back then I feel some of those 4 set matches may not have been won had they gone to 5.

Now he can't close guys out and loses in the long run. It's depressing.

However he HAS won a few epics.

01 Wimbledon (Sampras)
04 USO (Agassi)
05 Miami (Nadal)
07 Wimbledon (Nadal)
09 French (Haas)
09 French (del Potro)
09 Wimbledon (Roddick)
12 Wimbledon (Benneteau)
 

SQA333

Hall of Fame
No. Federer would have enough momentum to close it out in 4.
Disagree. The way he's been handing easy breaks to Novak all evening would mean that at some points in the 4th Novak would break him.

Most likely a close 6-4 or 7-5 fourth set in favour of Novak if Roger went 2-1 up.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Disagree. The way he's been handing easy breaks to Novak all evening would mean that at some points in the 4th Novak would break him.

Most likely a close 6-4 or 7-5 fourth set in favour of Novak if Roger went 2-1 up.
Yeah maybe you could be right! I'm making the assumption that Federer would've held his service games up 40-15.
 

BGod

Legend
I think Federer would of had a chance in the 4th but probably coming back down 2-5 and converting on that 40-15 at 4-5.
 

dh003i

Legend
McEnroe fed off of negative crowd energy. When the crowd wasn't only for Fed, but against Djokovic, and he realized it, he started feeding off of that energy too -- the power of anger.

Djokovic is the guy we love to root against.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
yea it sucks that Fed didn't make it but let's see how Djoko does at 34 and if he's even making finals

if he is, i bet you he'll be "choking" some GS titles away too
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
I think Federer would of had a chance in the 4th but probably coming back down 2-5 and converting on that 40-15 at 4-5.
Fed didn't try to come with some a bit different on BPs. For example, when you have 2-3 BPs in a row as he had in that crucial game, he could try to be aggressive on the first one. If that doesn't work, then playing the second BP safer. Instead, 3 BPs were wasted in that game alone. Fed's fear/reluctance to take chances on BPs cost him a lot. I mean, you have wasted 20 BPs already playing passive/safe, why don't try to be a bit aggressive at this junction of the match?!!!
 

ivan_the_terrible

Hall of Fame
Novak was spinning in many 1st serves (check the speed gun) & Fed was returning them quite successfully. He just brain-farted on routine shots eg 3rd to go up 5-3. It's quite possible, Nole could've won set#4 & 5, but thanks to Fed's screwups we'll never know.
 
Yeah that's quite possible seeing how Nadal and Federer have lost their mental edge.
Everyone loses that with age, even those rare ones who don't go through the physical decline part. Chris Evert is a rare case who feels strongly (and watching old tapes of her play I concur with her, although graphite vs wood racquets is probably a large part of it too) she was physically stronger, fitter, more athletic, and hard hitting than ever in her 30s. Yet her concentration and intensity which had always been her greatest attributes of all had waned with age, so even with her physical upgrades she would usually lose to the likes of Navratilova, Graf, even young Sabatini.
 

Pantera

Banned
-------------------UE----BP------BP Won%
2006 FO---------51-----3/10----30%
2007 FO---------60----1/17-----6%
2008 Wimb-----52----1/13-----8%
2009 AO-------- 64----6/19-----32%
2009 USO-------62----5/22-----23%
2011 FO---------56----5/15-----33%
2014 Wimb-----29-----3/7------43% (the best match in this list)
2015 Wimb-----35-----1/7------14%
2015 USO-------54-----4/23----17%

Big Time. I think in Roger's case "Old habits die hard". It was in plain sight for his team to analyze. I dont think Edberg or even Rod Laver would have had an actual impact.

The trend is astonishing especially against peak baseliners regardless of court/conditions. Nadal has for ever etched something in Rogers head.
So nothing to do with age then.
 

Pantera

Banned
Yes, i saw a different match since i had my glasses off.
Please show me other matches where crowd is 98% behind other player and he still comes out a winner.
You wouldnt recognize mental strength if it were to hit you on the forhead.
Exactly. Djokovic only really struggles with Nadal in close matches as he considers Nadal the mentally toughest guy out there..but has won a few close ones as well.

But Djokovic showed real mental strength dealing with the crowd and celebrities baiting him...there are images of JOhn bercow (a british MP) actively heckling Djokovic.

Djokovic is like granite. No doubt
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Finally, FINALLY he didn't have a problem with break points. In a slam final vs Djoker, no less.

2 consecutive points on his own serve. I still can't believe it. I just can't believe it.
 
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TearTheRoofOff

Hall of Fame
Some lose speed, reflexes with age, Fed's lost his nerve, he was scared out of his mind, anyone who knows how to see, look at his facial muscles, he choked, baseline with a baseliner when you've been killing everyone coming forward? I'm done with Federer, tired of being disappointed with him because he chokes.
And then gets raked over the coals for coming forward anyway. No double faults, no missed sitters. Gets destroyed by his own fanbase. 'Supporter' really is a misnomer sometimes.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Just don’t be easily fooled or come to the conclusion Fed is not mentally strong. Here’s why:

Fed - 20 wins, 11 finals lost
Nadal - 18 wins, 8 finals lost
Djoko - 16 wins, 9 finals lost

So are you trolling around that Fed is a weakling? If so you need to need to look deeper into your soul when Nadal and Djoko are going to end up with even more finals lost.

Have fun anti-Fed heads.
 
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OhYes

Legend
Exactly. Djokovic only really struggles with Nadal in close matches as he considers Nadal the mentally toughest guy out there..but has won a few close ones as well.

But Djokovic showed real mental strength dealing with the crowd and celebrities baiting him...there are images of JOhn bercow (a british MP) actively heckling Djokovic.

Djokovic is like granite. No doubt
This looney ? :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D OMG he is soooo cringy juvenile :X3:
 

swordtennis

Legend
Fed is the toughest of them all imo. When nadal beat him in the ao 2012 it was brutal. Felt horrible for him. But here he still is!
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Some lose speed, reflexes with age, Fed's lost his nerve, he was scared out of his mind, anyone who knows how to see, look at his facial muscles, he choked, baseline with a baseliner when you've been killing everyone coming forward? I'm done with Federer, tired of being disappointed with him because he chokes.
This dude bailed back in 2015 bc Fed didn’t deliver in clutch moments... think about that lol
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
Just don’t be easily fooled or come to the conclusion Fed is not mentally strong. Here’s why:

Fed - 20 wins, 11 finals lost
Nadal - 18 wins, 8 finals lost
Djoko - 16 wins, 9 finals lost

So are you trolling around that Fed is a weakling? If so you need to need to look deeper into your soul when Nadal and Djoko are going to end up with even more finals lost.

Have fun anti-Fed heads.
Fed - 20 wins, 11 finals lost (10 of them to the other two) * Del Potro, the non other Big Three loss
Nadal - 18 wins, 8 finals lost (7 of them to the other two) * Wawrinka, the non other Big Three loss
Djoko - 16 wins, 9 finals lost (5 of them to the other two) * Murray (2) and Wawrinka (2), the non other Big Three losses
 
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