Graf1stClass
Professional
Not to say he wouldn't be. If anyone isn't over this loss, it's Federer himself no matter what he claims.
Roger Federer: ‘People still ask me about that Novak Djokovic defeat at Wimbledon’
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GhostOfNKDM
Hall of Fame
He cries into his pillow every night thinking about it. If one can imagine it, must be right.
roysid
Legend
If I were Roger Federer I'd think exactly the same. Just forget it and move on.
Thinking about it, pondering what if..what I should have done. Won't help.
U can't change what is already done. So forget about it and move on.
If you keep pondering about it, u can't survive.
If the fans have nightmares about it even after so many months, imagine how it would have affected him if he kept on thinking about it.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
For whatever it's worth, he and everyone around him have been saying this for a long time now. It's not some specific coping with 2019.
Everyone's always said he moves on quickly from losses instead of analyzing them and being motivated by them. I don't know if it's actually true, but it's not some new 40-15 excuse.
Everyone's always said he moves on quickly from losses instead of analyzing them and being motivated by them. I don't know if it's actually true, but it's not some new 40-15 excuse.
PrinceMoron
Legend
This lady became an icon in the tennis fan circles at the 40-15 moment
Another big fan
TheMysteryofPenguin
Rookie
Mentally quite weak
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
That's projection. A statement like that says way more about us than about another people. I can't get over things to save my soul. Though I find "an hour" to be a bit unbelievable.
I believe he said in a Vogue interview during Wimbledon 19 that if there was a rematch he wanted it would be of the USO 09 Final, so ya losses do affect him.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I would have expected that.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Mac never won the French though, Federer won Wimbledon 8 times.
If this loss had been in 2009 at RG, it would be different for him, I suppose.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Tennis match is still just a tennis match at the end of the day. Wouldn't compare it to murder.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
I’m with Fed here. I think he’s underplaying it a little , but I do believe he’s mentally strong enough to put losses behind him these days.
It’s his fans mental health I worry about. I think they support Federer’s achievements more than the man himself so losing one like that hurts a lot.
It’s his fans mental health I worry about. I think they support Federer’s achievements more than the man himself so losing one like that hurts a lot.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
The guy is seemingly less invested in his own records and wins than his fans are
Absolute scenes
Absolute scenes
BGod
G.O.A.T.
He admits he's gotten better at dealing with close losses because he's embraced his choke mentality. And I say that as a fan since 01. Jesus that's twenty years.... Anywho yeah, especially against Novak with the USO flubs. He's the greatest choker in the history of tennis. His record in big close matches is a abysmal (3 wins). So there ya go.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Missing a serve by a few mm and losing narrowly in a tiebreak isn’t really a bad outcome. Sports commentary is basically assigning narratives to weighted random number generators. The US11 and W19 40-15 moments or the RG13 net touch or the AO12 missed backhand or the W09 missed tiebreak volley or the AO13 botched line call against Stan just go to show why taking the GOAT debate seriously is pointless and moronic. The margins are so slim among the best and luck plays a big factor in outcomes
mike danny
Bionic Poster
C'mon, dude, he lost a close match at 38 against an ATG 6 years younger. That loss shouldn't erase every other time he didn't choke.
Let's talk about Djokodal's screw-ups too or the screw-ups of other ATGs.
Milehigh5280
Professional
I imagine winning in 2017 helped ease the pain of losing in 2019. I think that would've been tough to cope with, if he didn't already have #8. I believe him when he says he's moved on, but he does seem to be downplaying it a bit
mental midget
Hall of Fame
he does have...a lot to fall back on. i don't know if i totally buy this but we can convince ourselves of all sorts of things, and if he's managed to do that, well then, that's his reality. i'm sure he'd love to have that trophy but if you take what he's saying at face value, that is a valid way to look at it. takes discipline for sure, but very healthy if you can pull it off.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
These guys have to get over losses pretty quickly, if not they're done. I remember when Novak lost against Wawrinka in 2015 thinking it could affect him mentally and then he went and won FOUR slams in a row.
Nadal after losing yet another AO final in 2017 from a break up in the fifth in the most hyped match of all time came back and won RG and USO when he hadn't won one slam in ages.
Federer after losing that AO final in 2009 (with RG and Wimbledon the previous year) came back and completed the CGS and won 3 out 4.
Federer after this defeat seemed to play very well at times at the following USO and AO but unfortunately got an injury in both slams. Now it remains to be seen if he can make it far in a slam again at 40 with surgery and a long absence to see if the loss affects him or not.
Nadal after losing yet another AO final in 2017 from a break up in the fifth in the most hyped match of all time came back and won RG and USO when he hadn't won one slam in ages.
Federer after losing that AO final in 2009 (with RG and Wimbledon the previous year) came back and completed the CGS and won 3 out 4.
Federer after this defeat seemed to play very well at times at the following USO and AO but unfortunately got an injury in both slams. Now it remains to be seen if he can make it far in a slam again at 40 with surgery and a long absence to see if the loss affects him or not.
Sorry_to_tell_you_mate
Professional
As much as I dislike Federer, the truth is NOBODY would be talking about the 40-15 choke if Federer had managed to win the match in the ensuing tie-breaker.
Who gets AO 2021?
MasterZeb
Hall of Fame
The guys a troll. No need to try and speak sense in to him
Mainad
Bionic Poster
This lady became an icon in the tennis fan circles at the 40-15 moment
I wonder where she is now and if she's aware how famous she has become on TTW?
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
How many match points squandered against Djoker in those three matches (Two U.S. Opens plus the 40-15).
At least five match points squandered.
0-5 in Slam Match Points is not a coincidence. A GOAT closes at least some of those out.
History is not going to look kindly upon this.
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If Federer had converted at '19 Wimby, it'd automatically jump to the top of the list. It'd accomplish at least 3 things Federer had never done before:
1) Defeated both Nadal and Djokovic in the same Slam tournament. Has he done it in a regular tournament?
2) Came back from a set deficit to defeat Djokovic in a best of 5 match.
3) Beat Djokovic in a 5th set.
Also, would he have been the oldest Slam winner ever?
1) Defeated both Nadal and Djokovic in the same Slam tournament. Has he done it in a regular tournament?
2) Came back from a set deficit to defeat Djokovic in a best of 5 match.
3) Beat Djokovic in a 5th set.
Also, would he have been the oldest Slam winner ever?
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Gotta love these Cancel Culture types.
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PETEhammer
Guest
And his fans embody the quote pinned to the soul of the Forum: "If you can meet Baghdatis and Djokovic, and regard these two players just the same"
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, he's in his head because of his age
Can't discount that either.
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PETEhammer
Guest
He has changed his dynamic with Nadal in old age too though. Old age is selectiveWell, he's in his head because of his age
Graf1stClass
Professional
I'm not sure why I liked that, but it's too late now
GhostOfNKDM
Hall of Fame
Love your sporting spirit. I could learn a thing or two from you.I'm not sure why I liked that, but it's too late now
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Clay lover
Legend
And Kyrgios will manage to turn a similar reflection into an angsty 500-word word salad, while Tsitsi will quote a wise person without citing him
jussumman
Hall of Fame
Look he stole a Wimbledon title from Roddick, now it came back. All square.
Jason Swerve
Hall of Fame
If only the Duchess of Kent were there to lend him a crying shoulder.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Yeah but no. Roddick was up 6-2 and should have gone and won that match. Fed was so incredibly stiff that 5th set he had loser written all over him but Roddick just couldn't take it himself. And no, Fed is an absolute choking dog in his career overall. Not just three 40-15 jobs but against Raonic in 16, Potro 09, Tsonga 11, Anderson 18, even against Rafa 06 & 11 French Finals, he may not have won those but damn if he didn't **** his pants on numerous opportunities to push him more. Especially 2011 my GOD!
He's choked a lot my friend.
AO 05, 09, 12-13, 19
USO 09-11, 17-19
WMB 11, 16, 18
FO 06 & 11 (would have been hard wins but he just wet himself not pushing those to at least 5)
Enceladus
Legend
No, age is not the only important factor that has made Djoker the hardest match up for Fed in today's time. The change of the racquet at the turn of the 2013/14 seasons, when Federer replaced the previous 90-inch rocket for a larger 97-inch rocket, changed their rivalry. I noticed that after change of the racquet, Fed's BH improved, but his FH deteriorated, it was no longer the shrill hit as before. The change of racket definitely helped Federer, it's one of the key factors why Federer's match up with Nadal or Murray improved, without change of the racquet, he would not have won his grandslam titles in 2017-18. However, this change didn't help him much against Djoker.Well, he's in his head because of his age
In '15, Federer at age 34 turned around his rivalry with Nadal, and went on a 5-match winning streak (his previous best was two). So how can anyone claim age was the overriding factor in his rivalry with Djokovic, when Federer began losing to Djokovic at age 29 (the initial double MP incident)?
To me, the major factor is that Federer's game is heavily tilted toward his serve (much more than Djokovic and Nadal), and Djokovic is the best returner he has ever faced! Plus, if Federer had converted two of the six double matchpoints, we'd probably not discuss age at all!
To me, the major factor is that Federer's game is heavily tilted toward his serve (much more than Djokovic and Nadal), and Djokovic is the best returner he has ever faced! Plus, if Federer had converted two of the six double matchpoints, we'd probably not discuss age at all!
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic victory is one of the greatest win in any sport ever. Long time from now people will look back and truly understand what he accomplished that day. Not only did he have to fight against his opponent (Federer), but for over 5 hours he had endure 20000 people screaming and cheering for his opponent while it's total silence when he won a point. Djokovic even making the match close considering he was also fighting himself and his own game, is an achievement itself. But to win? Greatest win in sports history.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
All good points
But I think with better movement and stamina from Fed things could have been different even with the bigger racquet.
Fed never needed to solve Murray anyway, IMO.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
At AO 2019 he was already 37.5. At the 3 USO's in 2017-2019 he was injured and old and at Wimb 2016 and 2018 he was injured. These should not be taken into account, IMO.
FEDERERNADAL13
Legend
You must think very highly of Fed’s game if you think these were all chokes. I imagine you think he’s by far the most talented and skilled player of all time?
He’s a pro tennis player, who has played over 1,000 matches. He is bound to lose some close ones. He’s also won some close ones, and has won the biggest tournaments 20 times.
Oh what I would give to be as big of a choker as Fed...
Younger players dominated by Federer: Murray, Wawrinka, Berdych, del Potro, Cilic. Every single one has a massively negative H2H, except Murray (11-14). Does anyone remember the only victory Cilic (1-9) has over Federer?
Younger player that Federer started to dominate in the late 10's: Nadal
Younger player that dominated Federer: Djokovic
Since only one younger player prevailed over Federer during the decade, age was a NON-issue. It must be something Djokovic has to counter the Federer attack, that no one else has.
The numero uno suspect: Djokovic's return of serve!
Younger player that Federer started to dominate in the late 10's: Nadal
Younger player that dominated Federer: Djokovic
Since only one younger player prevailed over Federer during the decade, age was a NON-issue. It must be something Djokovic has to counter the Federer attack, that no one else has.
The numero uno suspect: Djokovic's return of serve!
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