Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Why is Fed acting surprised that people are still asking him about 40-15?
He will be asked about that defeat forever.
Get used to it!
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Roger Federer: ‘People still ask me about that Novak Djokovic defeat at Wimbledon’
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Why is Fed acting surprised that people are still asking him about 40-15?
He will be asked about that defeat forever.
Get used to it!
It's because Djokovic has the most potent return, that led to the mental thing! It wouldn't become a mental thing, if Federer knew he could get a first serve by Djokovic, on double match point.
Why didn't Federer have a mental thing with any other player, including Nadal? Because none of them could hurt his serve like Djokovic!
Phoenix1983
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Maths not your strong suit, I take it.
It would be 21-20-17 because Federer would have one more slam and Novak Djokovic one fewer, if the former had won the 2019 Wimbledon final.
mavsman149
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This lady became an icon in the tennis fan circles at the 40-15 moment
That smug face will never get old.
alinefx
Rookie
Fed almost got that serve by Djokovic at 40-15 - Djoker was moving to his right and Fed hit it down the T - even Djoker knew that "F*** that would have been an ace" when the ball hit the tape, and it would have been 3 aces in a row. Its the littlest of margins in sports, but nothing to do with Fed not acing Djoker - and had out aced him handily in that match.
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(you like to think he won't)
Raul_SJ
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uscwang
Hall of Fame
This is brutal.evolution of 40-15!
The first two MPs were on Novak's serve though. So less pressure indeed.
Nadalgaenger
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Lol too good!
Lolevolution of 40-15!
only the first
No. I know he won't. Why? Any world level or international level champion never gets over such a thing. And you can spin it any which way you want, I do not care nor can I be convinced otherwise. He will remember that moment even when he is 90 and will speak of it with regret.
Have you ever competed at that level? I have. Not in tennis. 30 years on still think of that moment. We all have it. Fedr too. He is not a robot not to have it. Let alone in an hour. BS!
BeatlesFan
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I always wonder if Fed woulda won a mp if he just manned up and hit a good body serve at Nole
well he did...in 2011 the 2nd match point was an attept at body serve
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Just rewatched Wimbledon 2015 final last night.
W 2015 and AO 2016.
Any hypothetical river denial "version" of Fed would be in deep deep doo doo.
BOAT levels
Djokovic is basically connors and agassi taken to the next level with size, movement and great serve as well.
When we talk about evolution in tennis he is it.
When you hear pros talk about evolution in tennis bingo.
Beckerserve
Legend
Trust me he got over it years ago. Federer now will bother more about his kids than his career as time erodes all of our pride in our achievements as we tend to focus more on our kids.
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That would be sweet. Rogi's kids are his greatest achievement, a real world version of Stark's "What is and always will be my greatest creation... is you. "
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'greed, AO especially. Federer played like an absolute HERO to get a set off of Nole in their 2016 match. Anything less than absolute out of his mind zoning, and younger Fed is out in straights. 2015 W Nole is going to be brutal for any version of Fed as well. Heavy, hard returns back at his feet, or worse, his backhand, is going to make 2004-06erer very, very insecure. 2004erer's miserable backhand will fold like a lawnchair after a set and a half at BEST
What happened to your PeteHammer account?
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It seems Federer is at 'Acceptance' stage, but it could be just very smartly masked 'Depression' stage.
Really hard to believe.
It was not just an usual easy-to-forget defeat like Wimbledon 2015 or US Open 2015.
Wimbledon 2019 was The Defeat.
Probably an hour per day is closer to the truth.
GhostOfNKDM
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Keep it going guys. This thread is only just getting warmed up... wait while I go get my popcorn for the good bits to come.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
That match was quite a simple one. Old, way past his prime, but still decent legend giving his all against another legend who is just as great as himself and 6 years younger - really Fed should not be expected to dominate this rivalry at all. He still made it close and almost won, but I guess the natural law of nature had its way and the younger and still in prime champion somehow squeezed through. I had never seen Federer looking tired as he was in set #5 and his legs not moving well like they did in that match before. He clearly looked old.
PSC85
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That is so sad. We need a comfort burger.
Where is this burger served btw. Looks absolutely divine.
Maybe he’s got Pepe teaching him Amor y Paz on the down-low.
Haha, seems there are a lot of tennis fans than want...?need... the old man to be as preoccupied with this as they are. He seems to be pretty content with his career/life, and he answered the question. Not sure why so many need to project a separate meaning to his response, or claim he’s lying. Any psychologist types here want to hazard a guess.
He is/was old and tired, and got beat by a younger, better player. I think this kind of thing happens.
I’ve made many, many more regrettable mistakes than losing a tennis match and have been able to move on. Haven’t we all?
ND deserved to win that match, just like every winning player that has ever played every great and pathetic tennis game in the history. I paraphrase William Munney,”choke has nothing to do with it”. It’s how it is, and that’s why we play.
He is/was old and tired, and got beat by a younger, better player. I think this kind of thing happens.
I’ve made many, many more regrettable mistakes than losing a tennis match and have been able to move on. Haven’t we all?
ND deserved to win that match, just like every winning player that has ever played every great and pathetic tennis game in the history. I paraphrase William Munney,”choke has nothing to do with it”. It’s how it is, and that’s why we play.
Genuine question: where’s the smugness? She’s a tennis fan excited that her idol (I’m assuming, or one of them) is close to winning a big match.
It's well documented that Federer dominated every younger rival, except Djokovic. I contend that it's because Djokovic uses his superior return of serve!
Let's suppose when facing a Top 5 or 10 opponent, Federer wins 75% and 50% of his 1st and 2nd serves, conceiting 25% and 50% to his opponent. Well, when facing Federer, Djokovic just aims to win 28% and 53%. Those small margins will mean 2 more breaks over 5 sets, and the difference between winning and losing. Can Djokovic do that to Federer? Absolutely, because he's the acknowledged best returner in the game! That he's the best returner, and that he's the mentally strongest are enough for him to gain an upper hand on anybody (the one exception: Nadal on clay)! He doesn't need any age advantage!
How did the Federer-Nadal turn on its head in '15? What bedeviled Federer early on, was Nadal staying well back, and keep retrieving gorgeous shots from Federer! Well, Nadal predictably lost that kind of amazing speed, and now had to stand right behind the baseline! That was when they bought in Costa and Rogue to teach him the new game, and out went Tio Toni! When Federer and Nadal stand on the BL to duke it out, there can only be one winner. Because Federer has the more compact, efficient strokes; and he's much more used to taking balls off the bounce! Hence, 6-1 record, with that one loss coming on RG!
Let's suppose when facing a Top 5 or 10 opponent, Federer wins 75% and 50% of his 1st and 2nd serves, conceiting 25% and 50% to his opponent. Well, when facing Federer, Djokovic just aims to win 28% and 53%. Those small margins will mean 2 more breaks over 5 sets, and the difference between winning and losing. Can Djokovic do that to Federer? Absolutely, because he's the acknowledged best returner in the game! That he's the best returner, and that he's the mentally strongest are enough for him to gain an upper hand on anybody (the one exception: Nadal on clay)! He doesn't need any age advantage!
How did the Federer-Nadal turn on its head in '15? What bedeviled Federer early on, was Nadal staying well back, and keep retrieving gorgeous shots from Federer! Well, Nadal predictably lost that kind of amazing speed, and now had to stand right behind the baseline! That was when they bought in Costa and Rogue to teach him the new game, and out went Tio Toni! When Federer and Nadal stand on the BL to duke it out, there can only be one winner. Because Federer has the more compact, efficient strokes; and he's much more used to taking balls off the bounce! Hence, 6-1 record, with that one loss coming on RG!
YEC '10.
USO '14 Semi-Final. Kei in the final would've have been Fed's most easy slam final opponent if he had managed to get past Cilic that day. I think Nishikori went through Raonic/Stanslas/Djoker & he arrived @ the final with an empty gas tank.
Thriller
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Right. So he had enough energy to break serve then serve two aces to get to championship point, then the oldness and tiredness kicked in with a vengeance and he lost 7 points in a row very tamely, only for the energy to return enough for him to take it to 12-12 in the 5th.
Either that, or he choked.
Hmm ...
Federer's records against Cilic, Roddick and Nishikori are 9-1, 21-3 and 8-3. Cilic and Roddick are Roger's pet pigeons, whom he defeated twice and thrice in Slam finals. Kei is a relative harder out for Roger. Most people don't realize that Federer and Murray have an almost even career record, 14-11! I bet that's the 3rd best record against Roger, with more than 5 matches, say!
swordtennis
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That old Fed bh would be in big trouble.
He would need to hit more forehands and that would not be a very good long term solution.
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'greed. Nole loves the backhand up an open line
ScentOfDefeat
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You have to admit there's a lot of symbolic stuff going on in that picture - the fact she's a fan of the "establishment" player, her Ralph Lauren shirt, the fact she's watching a Wimbledon final live, the way she makes the gesture - which, while in reality she could indeed be the sweetest and most humble person in the world, do not work in her favour in this specific context. It's just one of those things: while it might be true that she's just "a tennis fan excited that her idol is close to winning a big match", it is also true that most people (even Federer fans) understand exactly what the picture conveys and represents without having to think too much about it. It's one of those things you can't really fight, like the fact Federer is beloved around the world - not because you can prove certain things about him, but because he's perceived in a way that, frankly, goes beyond the man. The photograph also goes beyond the lady herself.
Nadalgaenger
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Might not have meant much in 2010 or even 2011. He would have faced a fresh Rafa in either final.
King No1e
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Judging from his reaction to each of those matches, the Wimbledon final was the easiest for him to take. USO10 and 11 had him a little more p!ssed off in the press conferences, especially since he was still near his prime and wasn't exactly playing with house money yet.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Knowing Federer, he might've actually gotten over it in an hour. I'm willing to bet he took much, much longer to get over his loss to Safin at AO05 than he did the W19 final.That's projection. A statement like that says way more about us than about another people. I can't get over things to save my soul. Though I find "an hour" to be a bit unbelievable.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
It was between 2014, 2015, and 2019.
But I'm also pretty sure 2019 Fed would react very differently to losing 2010 and 2011. Objectively 2019>2011>>>2010 tbh.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Yep. He wasn't gonna win 2010 no matter what, Djokovic just took it to another level. But in 11 and 19 he had real chances and Djokovic was a little better in those moments.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Don't know about that, but he does know that Djokovic will always go beast mode when he's down.
That's gotta make him at least a little nervous. "What Jedi moves is he gonna pull now?"
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
LMAO at this Djokovic hater. Manages to find negatives in two matches Djokovic won
terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
+1
This is what i always write in reference to that match.
Nobody else but Novak could have won it.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, the thing is that you don't know him, nor do I. Nor does anyone else not in his family, his training group or part of his group of personal friends. We only know what the press tells us, or what he allows us to know.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
This picture tells a story. Federer is going down. The finger ladies know it. All the smug wiped off their faces. The crowd know it. Look at their expressions. That's what Novak had to endure for 5 hours. Wimbledon's darkest day. The British reputation for fair play shredded.
duaneeo
Legend
I think Federer would've lost to Nadal in 2010 and 2011.
In the end, Nadal was most affected by Federer's 2011's 40-15 failure. He would've beaten Federer in the final, would be sole owner of the slam record at 21, and would be looking to become a 6-time champion at the USO.
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