Roger Federer: ‘People still ask me about that Novak Djokovic defeat at Wimbledon’

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Nothing to do with his return. It's a mental thing IMO. Federer knows that Djokovic is better than him and that he needs luck to win the match.
Why is Fed acting surprised that people are still asking him about 40-15?
He will be asked about that defeat forever.
Get used to it!
 
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SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Nothing to do with his return. It's a mental thing IMO. Federer knows that Djokovic is better than him and that he needs luck to win the match.
It's because Djokovic has the most potent return, that led to the mental thing! It wouldn't become a mental thing, if Federer knew he could get a first serve by Djokovic, on double match point.

Why didn't Federer have a mental thing with any other player, including Nadal? Because none of them could hurt his serve like Djokovic!
 

alinefx

New User
It's because Djokovic has the most potent return, that led to the mental thing! It wouldn't become a mental thing, if Federer knew he could get a first serve by Djokovic, on double match point.

Why didn't Federer have a mental thing with any other player, including Nadal? Because none of them could hurt his serve like Djokovic!
Fed almost got that serve by Djokovic at 40-15 - Djoker was moving to his right and Fed hit it down the T - even Djoker knew that "F*** that would have been an ace" when the ball hit the tape, and it would have been 3 aces in a row. Its the littlest of margins in sports, but nothing to do with Fed not acing Djoker - and had out aced him handily in that match.
 

daphne

Professional
(you like to think he won't)
No. I know he won't. Why? Any world level or international level champion never gets over such a thing. And you can spin it any which way you want, I do not care nor can I be convinced otherwise. He will remember that moment even when he is 90 and will speak of it with regret.

Have you ever competed at that level? I have. Not in tennis. 30 years on still think of that moment. We all have it. Fedr too. He is not a robot not to have it. Let alone in an hour. BS!
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
It's because Djokovic has the most potent return, that led to the mental thing! It wouldn't become a mental thing, if Federer knew he could get a first serve by Djokovic, on double match point.

Why didn't Federer have a mental thing with any other player, including Nadal? Because none of them could hurt his serve like Djokovic!
Just rewatched Wimbledon 2015 final last night.
W 2015 and AO 2016.
Any hypothetical river denial "version" of Fed would be in deep deep doo doo.
BOAT levels
Djokovic is basically connors and agassi taken to the next level with size, movement and great serve as well.
When we talk about evolution in tennis he is it.
When you hear pros talk about evolution in tennis bingo.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Aha! Yeah, right! He may not be sad but he will never ever get over it.
Trust me he got over it years ago. Federer now will bother more about his kids than his career as time erodes all of our pride in our achievements as we tend to focus more on our kids.
 
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Deleted member 781040

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Trust me he got over it years ago. Federer now will bother more about his kids than his career as time erodes all of our pride in our achievements as we tend to focus more on our kids.
That would be sweet. Rogi's kids are his greatest achievement, a real world version of Stark's "What is and always will be my greatest creation... is you. "
 
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Deleted member 781040

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Just rewatched Wimbledon 2015 final last night.
W 2015 and AO 2016.
Any hypothetical river denial "version" of Fed would be in deep deep doo doo.
BOAT levels
Djokovic is basically connors and agassi taken to the next level with size, movement and great serve as well.
When we talk about evolution in tennis he is it.
When you hear pros talk about evolution in tennis bingo.
'greed, AO especially. Federer played like an absolute HERO to get a set off of Nole in their 2016 match. Anything less than absolute out of his mind zoning, and younger Fed is out in straights. 2015 W Nole is going to be brutal for any version of Fed as well. Heavy, hard returns back at his feet, or worse, his backhand, is going to make 2004-06erer very, very insecure. 2004erer's miserable backhand will fold like a lawnchair after a set and a half at BEST
 

PilotPete

Professional
'greed, AO especially. Federer played like an absolute HERO to get a set off of Nole in their 2016 match. Anything less than absolute out of his mind zoning, and younger Fed is out in straights. 2015 W Nole is going to be brutal for any version of Fed as well. Heavy, hard returns back at his feet, or worse, his backhand, is going to make 2004-06erer very, very insecure. 2004erer's miserable backhand will fold like a lawnchair after a set and a half at BEST
What happened to your PeteHammer account?
 

threehandedbackhand

Hall of Fame
“The most important thing is not to give them too much emotional importance.
“Don’t judge yourself at all costs. Analyse and understand. You can do this alone, or by talking with others to get them out of the disappointment.
It seems Federer is at 'Acceptance' stage, but it could be just very smartly masked 'Depression' stage.



“Now I only need half an hour to recover from a defeat, maybe an hour if it’s the Wimbledon final.”
Really hard to believe.
It was not just an usual easy-to-forget defeat like Wimbledon 2015 or US Open 2015.
Wimbledon 2019 was The Defeat.

Probably an hour per day is closer to the truth.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
Keep it going guys. This thread is only just getting warmed up... wait while I go get my popcorn for the good bits to come.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
That match was quite a simple one. Old, way past his prime, but still decent legend giving his all against another legend who is just as great as himself and 6 years younger - really Fed should not be expected to dominate this rivalry at all. He still made it close and almost won, but I guess the natural law of nature had its way and the younger and still in prime champion somehow squeezed through. I had never seen Federer looking tired as he was in set #5 and his legs not moving well like they did in that match before. He clearly looked old.
 

tudwell

Legend
No. I know he won't. Why? Any world level or international level champion never gets over such a thing. And you can spin it any which way you want, I do not care nor can I be convinced otherwise. He will remember that moment even when he is 90 and will speak of it with regret.

Have you ever competed at that level? I have. Not in tennis. 30 years on still think of that moment. We all have it. Fedr too. He is not a robot not to have it. Let alone in an hour. BS!
Maybe he’s got Pepe teaching him Amor y Paz on the down-low.
 

Waves

New User
Haha, seems there are a lot of tennis fans than want...?need... the old man to be as preoccupied with this as they are. He seems to be pretty content with his career/life, and he answered the question. Not sure why so many need to project a separate meaning to his response, or claim he’s lying. Any psychologist types here want to hazard a guess.

He is/was old and tired, and got beat by a younger, better player. I think this kind of thing happens.

I’ve made many, many more regrettable mistakes than losing a tennis match and have been able to move on. Haven’t we all?

ND deserved to win that match, just like every winning player that has ever played every great and pathetic tennis game in the history. I paraphrase William Munney,”choke has nothing to do with it”. It’s how it is, and that’s why we play.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
It's well documented that Federer dominated every younger rival, except Djokovic. I contend that it's because Djokovic uses his superior return of serve!

Let's suppose when facing a Top 5 or 10 opponent, Federer wins 75% and 50% of his 1st and 2nd serves, conceiting 25% and 50% to his opponent. Well, when facing Federer, Djokovic just aims to win 28% and 53%. Those small margins will mean 2 more breaks over 5 sets, and the difference between winning and losing. Can Djokovic do that to Federer? Absolutely, because he's the acknowledged best returner in the game! That he's the best returner, and that he's the mentally strongest are enough for him to gain an upper hand on anybody (the one exception: Nadal on clay)! He doesn't need any age advantage!

How did the Federer-Nadal turn on its head in '15? What bedeviled Federer early on, was Nadal staying well back, and keep retrieving gorgeous shots from Federer! Well, Nadal predictably lost that kind of amazing speed, and now had to stand right behind the baseline! That was when they bought in Costa and Rogue to teach him the new game, and out went Tio Toni! When Federer and Nadal stand on the BL to duke it out, there can only be one winner. Because Federer has the more compact, efficient strokes; and he's much more used to taking balls off the bounce! Hence, 6-1 record, with that one loss coming on RG!
 

mr tonyz

Professional
If Federer had converted at '19 Wimby, it'd automatically jump to the top of the list. It'd accomplish at least 3 things Federer had never done before:

1) Defeated both Nadal and Djokovic in the same Slam tournament. Has he done it in a regular tournament?
2) Came back from a set deficit to defeat Djokovic in a best of 5 match.
3) Beat Djokovic in a 5th set.

Also, would he have been the oldest Slam winner ever?
YEC '10.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
Younger players dominated by Federer: Murray, Wawrinka, Berdych, del Potro, Cilic. Every single one has a massively negative H2H, except Murray (11-14). Does anyone remember the only victory Cilic (1-9) has over Federer?

Younger player that Federer started to dominate in the late 10's: Nadal

Younger player that dominated Federer: Djokovic

Since only one younger player prevailed over Federer during the decade, age was a NON-issue. It must be something Djokovic has to counter the Federer attack, that no one else has.

The numero uno suspect: Djokovic's return of serve!
USO '14 Semi-Final. Kei in the final would've have been Fed's most easy slam final opponent if he had managed to get past Cilic that day. I think Nishikori went through Raonic/Stanslas/Djoker & he arrived @ the final with an empty gas tank.
 

Thriller

Professional
Haha, seems there are a lot of tennis fans than want...?need... the old man to be as preoccupied with this as they are. He seems to be pretty content with his career/life, and he answered the question. Not sure why so many need to project a separate meaning to his response, or claim he’s lying. Any psychologist types here want to hazard a guess.

He is/was old and tired, and got beat by a younger, better player. I think this kind of thing happens.
Right. So he had enough energy to break serve then serve two aces to get to championship point, then the oldness and tiredness kicked in with a vengeance and he lost 7 points in a row very tamely, only for the energy to return enough for him to take it to 12-12 in the 5th.
Either that, or he choked.
Hmm ...:unsure:
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
USO '14 Semi-Final. Kei in the final would've have been Fed's most easy slam final opponent if he had managed to get past Cilic that day. I think Nishikori went through Raonic/Stanslas/Djoker & he arrived @ the final with an empty gas tank.
Federer's records against Cilic, Roddick and Nishikori are 9-1, 21-3 and 8-3. Cilic and Roddick are Roger's pet pigeons, whom he defeated twice and thrice in Slam finals. Kei is a relative harder out for Roger. Most people don't realize that Federer and Murray have an almost even career record, 14-11! I bet that's the 3rd best record against Roger, with more than 5 matches, say!
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
'greed, AO especially. Federer played like an absolute HERO to get a set off of Nole in their 2016 match. Anything less than absolute out of his mind zoning, and younger Fed is out in straights. 2015 W Nole is going to be brutal for any version of Fed as well. Heavy, hard returns back at his feet, or worse, his backhand, is going to make 2004-06erer very, very insecure. 2004erer's miserable backhand will fold like a lawnchair after a set and a half at BEST
That old Fed bh would be in big trouble.
He would need to hit more forehands and that would not be a very good long term solution.
 
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